OT – Joe the Plumber

[an]

CA renter, you’re assuming that all employees are productive. What make you think the other companies down the street won’t do the same thing? Why do I see all these company laying off right now? Is it not because the company’s PROFIT is going down? PROFIT is after tax/expense/etc. So if you increase their cost, their profit goes down. This won’t be just one company doing it. If majority of company feel their profit squeezed, they’ll squeeze their employees first.

Lets assume a company have 10 employees, 5 are extremely productive and 5 are mediocre. The company profit get squeezed due to higher taxes, etc. If I run that company, i’d cut some of the mediocre people, and distribute some of the $ I saved from those mediocre employee to my productive employee. That way, my stars will be even happier and my profit stay the same or improve. What I just described is not new. Why do you think companies have layoffs?

What you also fail to see is this is a global economy now. Why do you think they’re outsourcing a lot of our jobs? Increasing their cost is not going to bring back any jobs. If anything, it’ll drive away more jobs.

BTW, I’ve lived in a communist country, so I know a little something something about “equality” for all. That’s why I love this country.

[CA renter]

AN,

My mother grew up in a socialist country (all of my maternal family members still live there), and she was a member of the communist party way back when (lots of political history due to WWII and the Russians who took care of them). I am NOT an advocate of communism at all.

I do not believe all people should be paid the same without any consideration for education, job type, productive capability, etc., but believe the top earner of a company should have his/her income tied to the lowest-paid person of that same company **if they are going to use corporate protections to avoid personal liability/responsibility.**

One of the biggest problems in this country is that risk is NOT tied to rewards, and hard work/high productivity has very little correlation to high pay. The biggest group of highly paid people in this country are tied to the financial industry. They make money buying and selling debt and other paper instruments to one another.

Additionally, what Darwinian capitalists fail to address is what we would do with a nation full of unemployed, unproductive, sick, hungry, desperate people. Do you think this will motivate them to work harder? That is naive. They will become more resentful and more violent, feeling entitled to help themselves to the “rich” man’s possessions.

I’ve asked before, and didn’t get a response (from another poster): if Darwinian capitalism is so successful, please name ONE country that follows this model (little/no govt interference, no/low taxes, no/few regulations, no/low social safety nets, no public healhcare or education or infrastructure, etc.) and out-performs the socialist countries that consistently outperform all other nations in almost every measure of well-being (financial, health, literacy, etc.).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Do you really believe that those in the “Business and Financial Operations” occupations are the most productive people in this country (just under those really “productive” CEOs, etc.)?

Top income earners by occupation (management, in this case, likely means executive managers, IMHO):

Management occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,949 227 52,510 316 73.0 0.5
Business and financial operations occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,965 700 46,974 240 72.3 0.9
Computer and mathematical occupations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,980 297 61,957 402 86.1 0.7
Architecture and engineering occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,606 296 56,627 830 80.2 1.2
Life, physical, and social science occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 63,235 1,451 53,389 1,127 84.4 2.6

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf

[CA renter]

AN,

My mother grew up in a socialist country (all of my maternal family members still live there), and she was a member of the communist party way back when (lots of political history due to WWII and the Russians who took care of them). I am NOT an advocate of communism at all.

I do not believe all people should be paid the same without any consideration for education, job type, productive capability, etc., but believe the top earner of a company should have his/her income tied to the lowest-paid person of that same company **if they are going to use corporate protections to avoid personal liability/responsibility.**

One of the biggest problems in this country is that risk is NOT tied to rewards, and hard work/high productivity has very little correlation to high pay. The biggest group of highly paid people in this country are tied to the financial industry. They make money buying and selling debt and other paper instruments to one another.

Additionally, what Darwinian capitalists fail to address is what we would do with a nation full of unemployed, unproductive, sick, hungry, desperate people. Do you think this will motivate them to work harder? That is naive. They will become more resentful and more violent, feeling entitled to help themselves to the “rich” man’s possessions.

I’ve asked before, and didn’t get a response (from another poster): if Darwinian capitalism is so successful, please name ONE country that follows this model (little/no govt interference, no/low taxes, no/few regulations, no/low social safety nets, no public healhcare or education or infrastructure, etc.) and out-performs the socialist countries that consistently outperform all other nations in almost every measure of well-being (financial, health, literacy, etc.).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Do you really believe that those in the “Business and Financial Operations” occupations are the most productive people in this country (just under those really “productive” CEOs, etc.)?

Top income earners by occupation (management, in this case, likely means executive managers, IMHO):

Management occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,949 227 52,510 316 73.0 0.5
Business and financial operations occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,965 700 46,974 240 72.3 0.9
Computer and mathematical occupations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,980 297 61,957 402 86.1 0.7
Architecture and engineering occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,606 296 56,627 830 80.2 1.2
Life, physical, and social science occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 63,235 1,451 53,389 1,127 84.4 2.6

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf

[CA renter]

AN,

My mother grew up in a socialist country (all of my maternal family members still live there), and she was a member of the communist party way back when (lots of political history due to WWII and the Russians who took care of them). I am NOT an advocate of communism at all.

I do not believe all people should be paid the same without any consideration for education, job type, productive capability, etc., but believe the top earner of a company should have his/her income tied to the lowest-paid person of that same company **if they are going to use corporate protections to avoid personal liability/responsibility.**

One of the biggest problems in this country is that risk is NOT tied to rewards, and hard work/high productivity has very little correlation to high pay. The biggest group of highly paid people in this country are tied to the financial industry. They make money buying and selling debt and other paper instruments to one another.

Additionally, what Darwinian capitalists fail to address is what we would do with a nation full of unemployed, unproductive, sick, hungry, desperate people. Do you think this will motivate them to work harder? That is naive. They will become more resentful and more violent, feeling entitled to help themselves to the “rich” man’s possessions.

I’ve asked before, and didn’t get a response (from another poster): if Darwinian capitalism is so successful, please name ONE country that follows this model (little/no govt interference, no/low taxes, no/few regulations, no/low social safety nets, no public healhcare or education or infrastructure, etc.) and out-performs the socialist countries that consistently outperform all other nations in almost every measure of well-being (financial, health, literacy, etc.).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Do you really believe that those in the “Business and Financial Operations” occupations are the most productive people in this country (just under those really “productive” CEOs, etc.)?

Top income earners by occupation (management, in this case, likely means executive managers, IMHO):

Management occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,949 227 52,510 316 73.0 0.5
Business and financial operations occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,965 700 46,974 240 72.3 0.9
Computer and mathematical occupations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,980 297 61,957 402 86.1 0.7
Architecture and engineering occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,606 296 56,627 830 80.2 1.2
Life, physical, and social science occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 63,235 1,451 53,389 1,127 84.4 2.6

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf

[CA renter]

AN,

My mother grew up in a socialist country (all of my maternal family members still live there), and she was a member of the communist party way back when (lots of political history due to WWII and the Russians who took care of them). I am NOT an advocate of communism at all.

I do not believe all people should be paid the same without any consideration for education, job type, productive capability, etc., but believe the top earner of a company should have his/her income tied to the lowest-paid person of that same company **if they are going to use corporate protections to avoid personal liability/responsibility.**

One of the biggest problems in this country is that risk is NOT tied to rewards, and hard work/high productivity has very little correlation to high pay. The biggest group of highly paid people in this country are tied to the financial industry. They make money buying and selling debt and other paper instruments to one another.

Additionally, what Darwinian capitalists fail to address is what we would do with a nation full of unemployed, unproductive, sick, hungry, desperate people. Do you think this will motivate them to work harder? That is naive. They will become more resentful and more violent, feeling entitled to help themselves to the “rich” man’s possessions.

I’ve asked before, and didn’t get a response (from another poster): if Darwinian capitalism is so successful, please name ONE country that follows this model (little/no govt interference, no/low taxes, no/few regulations, no/low social safety nets, no public healhcare or education or infrastructure, etc.) and out-performs the socialist countries that consistently outperform all other nations in almost every measure of well-being (financial, health, literacy, etc.).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Do you really believe that those in the “Business and Financial Operations” occupations are the most productive people in this country (just under those really “productive” CEOs, etc.)?

Top income earners by occupation (management, in this case, likely means executive managers, IMHO):

Management occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,949 227 52,510 316 73.0 0.5
Business and financial operations occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,965 700 46,974 240 72.3 0.9
Computer and mathematical occupations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,980 297 61,957 402 86.1 0.7
Architecture and engineering occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,606 296 56,627 830 80.2 1.2
Life, physical, and social science occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 63,235 1,451 53,389 1,127 84.4 2.6

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf

[CA renter]

AN,

My mother grew up in a socialist country (all of my maternal family members still live there), and she was a member of the communist party way back when (lots of political history due to WWII and the Russians who took care of them). I am NOT an advocate of communism at all.

I do not believe all people should be paid the same without any consideration for education, job type, productive capability, etc., but believe the top earner of a company should have his/her income tied to the lowest-paid person of that same company **if they are going to use corporate protections to avoid personal liability/responsibility.**

One of the biggest problems in this country is that risk is NOT tied to rewards, and hard work/high productivity has very little correlation to high pay. The biggest group of highly paid people in this country are tied to the financial industry. They make money buying and selling debt and other paper instruments to one another.

Additionally, what Darwinian capitalists fail to address is what we would do with a nation full of unemployed, unproductive, sick, hungry, desperate people. Do you think this will motivate them to work harder? That is naive. They will become more resentful and more violent, feeling entitled to help themselves to the “rich” man’s possessions.

I’ve asked before, and didn’t get a response (from another poster): if Darwinian capitalism is so successful, please name ONE country that follows this model (little/no govt interference, no/low taxes, no/few regulations, no/low social safety nets, no public healhcare or education or infrastructure, etc.) and out-performs the socialist countries that consistently outperform all other nations in almost every measure of well-being (financial, health, literacy, etc.).

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

Do you really believe that those in the “Business and Financial Operations” occupations are the most productive people in this country (just under those really “productive” CEOs, etc.)?

Top income earners by occupation (management, in this case, likely means executive managers, IMHO):

Management occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,949 227 52,510 316 73.0 0.5
Business and financial operations occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 64,965 700 46,974 240 72.3 0.9
Computer and mathematical occupations. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71,980 297 61,957 402 86.1 0.7
Architecture and engineering occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 70,606 296 56,627 830 80.2 1.2
Life, physical, and social science occupations . . . . . . . . . . . . 63,235 1,451 53,389 1,127 84.4 2.6

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/acs-09.pdf

[Arraya]

Regardless of how much money you pay in taxes, you sure will be getting a lot less for it.

[Arraya]

Regardless of how much money you pay in taxes, you sure will be getting a lot less for it.

[Arraya]

Regardless of how much money you pay in taxes, you sure will be getting a lot less for it.

[Arraya]

Regardless of how much money you pay in taxes, you sure will be getting a lot less for it.

[Arraya]

Regardless of how much money you pay in taxes, you sure will be getting a lot less for it.

[patientlywaiting]

AN, a smart business would hire only productive employees to begin with.

Businesses employees to begin with because they need the help. Business don’t hire superfluous employees because they can.

Please explain to me how an Asian immigrant engineer living in Mira Mesa, attended Mira Mesa High, benefits from John McCain’s platform.

[patientlywaiting]

AN, a smart business would hire only productive employees to begin with.

Businesses employees to begin with because they need the help. Business don’t hire superfluous employees because they can.

Please explain to me how an Asian immigrant engineer living in Mira Mesa, attended Mira Mesa High, benefits from John McCain’s platform.

[patientlywaiting]

AN, a smart business would hire only productive employees to begin with.

Businesses employees to begin with because they need the help. Business don’t hire superfluous employees because they can.

Please explain to me how an Asian immigrant engineer living in Mira Mesa, attended Mira Mesa High, benefits from John McCain’s platform.

[patientlywaiting]

AN, a smart business would hire only productive employees to begin with.

Businesses employees to begin with because they need the help. Business don’t hire superfluous employees because they can.

Please explain to me how an Asian immigrant engineer living in Mira Mesa, attended Mira Mesa High, benefits from John McCain’s platform.

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