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[KIBU]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jun/07/2-dead-in-burned-home-near-calif-college-shooting/2/?#article-copy

[ocrenter]

it is just another shooting.

Anywhere else in the industrialized world, this should of course be big news. But this is the US of A. Where We the People should have already accepted this type of events as just a price to pay for our freedom and liberty.

My wife mentioned this one to me the other day:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22503470/police-child-shoots-himself-while-playing-with-gun-in-scripps-ranch

I read the comments, a bunch of remarks about how this is such a tragedy. But I fail to see how this is a tragedy. We have a country that can’t even pass legislation for universal background checks. We have parents that bring kids to gun shows as if it is the county fair. People can walk into the local walmart and walk out with semi’s and boxes of ammo.

All of these shooting stories are simply consequences of the above, they are fully to be expected given the amount of guns and ammo out and about.

[Jazzman]

[quote=ocrenter]it is just another shooting.

Anywhere else in the industrialized world, this should of course be big news. But this is the US of A. Where We the People should have already accepted this type of events as just a price to pay for our freedom and liberty.

My wife mentioned this one to me the other day:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22503470/police-child-shoots-himself-while-playing-with-gun-in-scripps-ranch

I read the comments, a bunch of remarks about how this is such a tragedy. But I fail to see how this is a tragedy. We have a country that can’t even pass legislation for universal background checks. We have parents that bring kids to gun shows as if it is the county fair. People can walk into the local walmart and walk out with semi’s and boxes of ammo.

All of these shooting stories are simply consequences of the above, they are fully to be expected given the amount of guns and ammo out and about.[/quote]
I’m dumbfounded by the comments that follow the story. I simply cannot believe I’m on the same planet. I’m serious.

[blake]

Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it’s up, says study

[ocrenter]

[quote=Jazzman]

I’m dumbfounded by the comments that follow the story. I simply cannot believe I’m on the same planet. I’m serious.[/quote]

Not sure why you are dumbfounded. A nation full of cars should expect car accidents. A nation full of guns and ammo should expect shootings.

We collectively have decided guns are a very important part of being American. So we collectively need to change our expectations when we hear about these shootings.

[KIBU]

That guy had 1300 bullets with him.

Man, that’s a lot of money the stupid guy paid.

He only killed 5 or so.

Man, he wasted about 1000 bullets left unused.

[CA renter]

Story from one of the comments on that article:

NEW YORK (TheBlaze/AP) — A 10-year-old Brooklyn boy foiled a would-be robbery by two individuals disguised as deliverymen, police say, using their own gun to scare them off.

The thugs were able to enter boy’s house around 5:30 p.m. on Monday, ordering his two teenage sisters to stay put while they searched the house. The 10-year-old escaped upstairs to where his mother was, followed shortly thereafter by the suspects.

It is unclear whether the family was armed, but the boy and his mother resorted to some quick thinking when one of the men came their way.

Seeing the thug cautiously entering the room — using his gun to open the door — either the mother or the boy slammed the door so hard on the man’s arm that he dropped the gun. Reports conflict as to who rushed the door — the Associated Press is reporting that it was the mother, while local media outlets are primarily reporting that it was the son.

Either way, we know for sure that the 10-year-old picked up the weapon without delay, and fired a shot that hit a wall.

Police say one of the suspects actually fired back, but no one was hit and the men fled the home without stealing a single thing.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/04/brooklyn-robbers-flee-after-10-year-olds-warning-shot-with-their-gun/

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CAR: Stop. No one on this thread is interested in the thousands upon thousands of reported cases where firearms are used to protect life and property.

Instead, the “argument”, as it were, is simply “Guns = Bad”. It’s an easy to understand memetic, for those who don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[no_such_reality]

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[KIBU]

Yep, the guy got 1300 bullets to protect his life and property alright.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=KIBU]Yep, the guy got 1300 bullets to protect his life and property alright.[/quote]

KIBU: While I appreciate your ham-handed attempt at sarcasm, you unwittingly make my point for me. You offer a SINGLE DATA POINT to make your argument, but consciously ignore the tens of thousands of data points that refute it.

Based on your writings, you prefer hyperbole and hysteria, and have run and hid versus coming out and arguing using data, logic and facts, but you really should educate yourself before posting.

Unless you enjoy beclowning yourself, of course.

[no_such_reality]

Number of people killed in mass killings in California since 1982: 131

Number of people winning $1 million or more playing the lottery in California since 1982: 247

[KIBU]

Notice that the proguns always scream for “evidence”, in the face of reality. That’s their tactics to hold on to their guns. Then they go and mislead people, instill fears in Americans of losing their liberty, etc. It’s just the old self delusional tactics that insult their own intelligence. It’s very common and tiring “argument” in the face of death by guns in America.

Again, it’s interesting that the guy had 1,300 bullets to “protect” his life, property and “liberty”.

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090930121512.htm

Protection Or Peril? Gun Possession Of Questionable Value In An Assault, Study Finds

Sep. 30, 2009 — In a first-of its-kind study, epidemiologists at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine found that, on average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. The study estimated that people with a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not possessing a gun.
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The study was released online this month in the American Journal of Public Health, in advance of print publication in November 2009.

“This study helps resolve the long-standing debate about whether guns are protective or perilous,” notes study author Charles C. Branas, PhD, Associate Professor of Epidemiology. “Will possessing a firearm always safeguard against harm or will it promote a false sense of security?”

What Penn researchers found was alarming – almost five Philadelphians were shot every day over the course of the study and about 1 of these 5 people died. The research team concluded that, although successful defensive gun uses are possible and do occur each year, the chances of success are low. People should rethink their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures, write the authors. Suggestions to the contrary, especially for urban residents who may see gun possession as a defense against a dangerous environment should be discussed and thoughtfully reconsidered.

A 2005 National Academy of Science report concluded that we continue to know very little about the impact of gun possession on homicide or the utility of guns for self-defense. Past studies had explored the relationship between homicides and having a gun in the home, purchasing a gun, or owning a gun. These studies, unlike the Penn study, did not address the risk or protection that having a gun might create for a person at the time of a shooting.

Penn researchers investigated the link between being shot in an assault and a person’s possession of a gun at the time of the shooting. As identified by police and medical examiners, they randomly selected 677 cases of Philadelphia residents who were shot in an assault from 2003 to 2006. Six percent of these cases were in possession of a gun (such as in a holster, pocket, waistband, or vehicle) when they were shot.

These shooting cases were matched to Philadelphia residents who acted as the study’s controls. To identify the controls, trained phone canvassers called random Philadelphians soon after a reported shooting and asked about their possession of a gun at the time of the shooting. These random Philadelphians had not been shot and had nothing to do with the shooting. This is the same approach that epidemiologists have historically used to establish links between such things as smoking and lung cancer or drinking and car crashes.

“The US has at least one gun for every adult,” notes Branas. “Learning how to live healthy lives alongside guns will require more studies such as this one. This study should be the beginning of a better investment in gun injury research through various government and private agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control, which in the past have not been legally permitted to fund research ‘designed to affect the passage of specific Federal, State, or local legislation intended to restrict or control the purchase or use of firearms.’”

This study was funded by the National Institutes of Health. The authors are also indebted to numerous dedicated individuals at the Philadelphia Police, Public Health, Fire, and Revenue Departments as well as DataStat Inc, who collaborated on the study.

Therese S. Richmond, PhD, CRNP, School of Nursing; Dennis P. Culhane, PhD, School of Social Policy; Thomas R. Ten Have, PhD, MPH, and Douglas J. Wiebe, PhD, both from the School of Medicine, are co-authors.
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[SD Realtor]

Chill out Allan… roll a couple fatties and then go operate a crane…

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SD Realtor]Chill out Allan… roll a couple fatties and then go operate a crane…[/quote]

SDR: I prefer Xanax. That and some nice Enya music.

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