OT: Ideas For Gun Owner Accountability

[SK in CV]

[quote=ucodegen]

You also have no idea about what knife wounds are like… and no clue.. PS: the max blade length is about 3 inches.. longer is illegal.[/quote]

I don’t think that’s true in CA with regards to unconcealed knives. They must be worn at the waist, and sheathed. But other than bans in specific places (gov’t buildings I think is a 4″ limit, all prohibited in schools, k-12) and some municipalities, I don’t think there is any length limitation. (fishing and hunting knives?)

[ucodegen]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=ucodegen]

You also have no idea about what knife wounds are like… and no clue.. PS: the max blade length is about 3 inches.. longer is illegal.[/quote]

I don’t think that’s true in CA with regards to unconcealed knives. They must be worn at the waist, and sheathed. But other than bans in specific places (gov’t buildings I think is a 4″ limit, all prohibited in schools, k-12) and some municipalities, I don’t think there is any length limitation. (fishing and hunting knives?)[/quote]Los Angeles has a 3″ limit, as well as a few other cities. The state doesn’t have a limit on length– If you read through the ordinances, it is really convoluted and changing all the time. I do remember when it was 3.5″ from a state level.. but that is back a bit in time.

[mike92104]

[quote=squat300][quote=mike92104][quote=squat300]driving has some social utility.

shooting a fucking gun in an open area has zero social utility.

therefore, the term guntard more aptly applies.

well, i suppose shooting int he open area does have some social utility if those were actually maneuvers designed to attack federal agents in the event that there is some sort of oppressive move to enslave the US population with drones.

I am being sarcastic.

those particularly guntards messed up my day.

somehow i think the NRA would say I was being a big baby.

when driving on the freeway, we also accept that there is risk, and that there will be a range of driving skills, and we can take some measures to protect ourselves from flaming assholes on the freeway, say by staying to the right, being observant, alert, allowing people to pass.

there is no social agreement that while out having an adventure on some rocks in open space that i am going to be subject to a gaggle of nitwits with weaponry shooting in unspecified directions in our general direction.

FUCKING GUNTARDS! that’s what id liek to ehar some pro-gun, NRA type say….that this is so unacceptable those tards should lose their privilege to ever touch a gun again.

from my perspective, admittedly biased, your equating the risk borne by driving with the risk of these guntards shooting irresponsible toward our vicinity is an example of…well…sorry, but guntardedness…[/quote]

Do you know what kind of guns they were shooting? It’s very possible they were being responsible, and you’re just not knowledgeable enough to see it.[/quote]

If it were an air soft gun it woulda been irresponsible. They were messing around in combat fatigues. Douchebags![/quote]

How would that be irresponsible? Why do you care about the combat fatigues? In my opinion you sound like you’re simply not knowledgable enough about guns to make a proper decision. If you think an airsoft gin is irresponsible, then what were you doing out hiking? Don’t you know that hiking is dangerous? People die each year hiking, and we should outlaw it!

[scaredyclassic]

they were shooting with a vector in our direction, not up in the air.

not airsoft guns, loud ass guns.

this was an open area.

airsoft wouldve been irresponsible.

airsoft outdoors is usually in a defined space, not just out and about.

im not arguing here outlaw guns.

im saying dont just shoot guns in the general direction of people walking around.

if that’s unreasonable, then, well, i guess im unreasonable.

[scaredyclassic]

we are probably not going to ever get anywhere discussing this.

it’s probably like asking people on cars to be more careful around cyclists.

gun shooters figure they can just go out and shoot around as long as they don’t specifically point the thing at you. so be it.

i guess i better get armed and return fire when walking about.

maybe a nice assault rifle. blow those motherfuckers apart…

[Paul0373]

Hey KIBU, get out of my face with all of your Gun Control Garbage. You know what? I’ve never felt the need to own a personal firearm until you self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists decided to start going after yet another personal liberty. Listen to Feinstein, Cuomo, Emanuel, Obama… and yourself.. You all make me ill. If I want to own 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammunition, that’s my business bud. If you’re so naive to think that this government is disarming us for our good while they(feinstein) have concealed carry permits and armed guards(all of them), you are a naive fool. Please, crawl in a hole until you have enough votes to amend the Constitution and until then I’d be happy to buy you an NRA membership and take you to the range for some target practice.

[scaredyclassic]

Anger, outrage and firearms: a great combo.

[desmond]

[quote=Paul0373]Hey KIBU, get out of my face with all of your Gun Control Garbage. You know what? I’ve never felt the need to own a personal firearm until you self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists decided to start going after yet another personal liberty. Listen to Feinstein, Cuomo, Emanuel, Obama… and yourself.. You all make me ill. If I want to own 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammunition, that’s my business bud. If you’re so naive to think that this government is disarming us for our good while they(feinstein) have concealed carry permits and armed guards(all of them), you are a naive fool. Please, crawl in a hole until you have enough votes to amend the Constitution and until then I’d be happy to buy you an NRA membership and take you to the range for some target practice.[/quote]

This is what I saw coming, the gun control crowd starts bashing the gun owners. Instead of real solutions they just show their hatred of the people that own guns. Finally after so much “LMC” inspired hogwash the gun owners just get sick of it and say no. Gun sales skyrocket the pushback will be harder and the gun control crowd will continue to name call. I was thinking some controls, even though they would not work, would be okay, no large clips, but not anymore, forget it.

[NotCranky]

Hopefully, a few lives will be saved by the “guntard” stigma becoming prevalent enough to drive a few idiots to more thoughtful behavior.

[zk]

[quote=desmond]
This is what I saw coming, the gun control crowd starts bashing the gun owners. Instead of real solutions they just show their hatred of the people that own guns. Finally after so much “LMC” inspired hogwash the gun owners just get sick of it and say no. Gun sales skyrocket the pushback will be harder and the gun control crowd will continue to name call. I was thinking some controls, even though they would not work, would be okay, no large clips, but not anymore, forget it.[/quote]

I just read all of KIBU’s posts on this thread. I didn’t see him call anyone a name. And then we have this:

[quote=Paul0373]Hey KIBU, get out of my face with all of your Gun Control Garbage. You know what? I’ve never felt the need to own a personal firearm until you self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists decided to start going after yet another personal liberty. Listen to Feinstein, Cuomo, Emanuel, Obama… and yourself.. You all make me ill. If I want to own 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammunition, that’s my business bud. If you’re so naive to think that this government is disarming us for our good while they(feinstein) have concealed carry permits and armed guards(all of them), you are a naive fool. Please, crawl in a hole until you have enough votes to amend the Constitution and until then I’d be happy to buy you an NRA membership and take you to the range for some target practice.[/quote]

If Paul’s response is to KIBU, which it certainly appears to be, then Paul’s problem isn’t that he’s fed up with name calling.

There’s been plenty of reasonable discussion on this board for stronger gun control. But that all appears to have been ignored. If all Paul has no response to this except to say is that we’re “self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists” and “naive fool[s],” we “make [him] ill” and that we should “crawl in a hole,” then perhaps the problem isn’t our “LMC inspired hogwash.” Perhaps the problem is the Limbaugh/Hannity/Savage/NRA-inspired, foaming-at-the-mouth, reasonless ranting of angry people like Paul.

You (desmond) say that we’ve bashed gun owners and offered no real solutions. That’s only true if you automatically disagree with all the solutions we have to offer. Let me ask you this: What solutions might we offer that you would consider “real”? Or are there none? If, in your opinion, there are none, then your accusation that we’re offering no real solutions doesn’t really fly.

Did you see Paul offering any solutions to the thousands of gun deaths we have in this country every year? No? Then how come you’re accusing the gun-control side of not offering solutions, but not the anti-gun-control side?

I don’t see how you read Paul’s post and come away with the conclusion that the gun-control side is the one not offering solutions.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Paul0373]Hey KIBU, get out of my face with all of your Gun Control Garbage. You know what? I’ve never felt the need to own a personal firearm until you self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists decided to start going after yet another personal liberty. Listen to Feinstein, Cuomo, Emanuel, Obama… and yourself.. You all make me ill. If I want to own 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammunition, that’s my business bud. If you’re so naive to think that this government is disarming us for our good while they(feinstein) have concealed carry permits and armed guards(all of them), you are a naive fool. Please, crawl in a hole until you have enough votes to amend the Constitution and until then I’d be happy to buy you an NRA membership and take you to the range for some target practice.[/quote]

I am now going to donate to gun control organizations and vote against any politician who does not support gun control.

In fact, next election, I am going to donate to opponents of all guntard candidates in swing states…

[desmond]

[quote=zk][quote=desmond]
This is what I saw coming, the gun control crowd starts bashing the gun owners. Instead of real solutions they just show their hatred of the people that own guns. Finally after so much “LMC” inspired hogwash the gun owners just get sick of it and say no. Gun sales skyrocket the pushback will be harder and the gun control crowd will continue to name call. I was thinking some controls, even though they would not work, would be okay, no large clips, but not anymore, forget it.[/quote]

I just read all of KIBU’s posts on this thread. I didn’t see him call anyone a name. And then we have this:

[quote=Paul0373]Hey KIBU, get out of my face with all of your Gun Control Garbage. You know what? I’ve never felt the need to own a personal firearm until you self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists decided to start going after yet another personal liberty. Listen to Feinstein, Cuomo, Emanuel, Obama… and yourself.. You all make me ill. If I want to own 50 ARs and a million rounds of ammunition, that’s my business bud. If you’re so naive to think that this government is disarming us for our good while they(feinstein) have concealed carry permits and armed guards(all of them), you are a naive fool. Please, crawl in a hole until you have enough votes to amend the Constitution and until then I’d be happy to buy you an NRA membership and take you to the range for some target practice.[/quote]

If Paul’s response is to KIBU, which it certainly appears to be, then Paul’s problem isn’t that he’s fed up with name calling.

There’s been plenty of reasonable discussion on this board for stronger gun control. But that all appears to have been ignored. If all Paul has no response to this except to say is that we’re “self-righteous, Constitution hating Communists” and “naive fool[s],” we “make [him] ill” and that we should “crawl in a hole,” then perhaps the problem isn’t our “LMC inspired hogwash.” Perhaps the problem is the Limbaugh/Hannity/Savage/NRA-inspired, foaming-at-the-mouth, reasonless ranting of angry people like Paul.

You (desmond) say that we’ve bashed gun owners and offered no real solutions. That’s only true if you automatically disagree with all the solutions we have to offer. Let me ask you this: What solutions might we offer that you would consider “real”? Or are there none? If, in your opinion, there are none, then your accusation that we’re offering no real solutions doesn’t really fly.

Did you see Paul offering any solutions to the thousands of gun deaths we have in this country every year? No? Then how come you’re accusing the gun-control side of not offering solutions, but not the anti-gun-control side?

I don’t see how you read Paul’s post and come away with the conclusion that the gun-control side is the one not offering solutions.[/quote]

ZK,
I never mention kibu, so I guess you glossed over all the name calling posts by the gun control side, there are many. Now on to the solutions, (btw, I have owned guns since being a kid) I have tried in previous posts, maybe on the other thread, to point out how hard it will be to find a solution for the mass killing episodes. Ban a certain gun another one will be used, try to cut down on the the clip size, smaller clips can be replaced in seconds to continue shooting. It probably will not be banning certain guns or any type of “registering” that will do anything to help (imo). I also fear that if the mental aspect gets more “crackdown” than the people that need help will avoid it. As the post deteriorates into name calling (by both sides) it becomes useless. Unless both sides are willing to work together a cramdown solution by either side will, pardon the pun, backfire.

[zk]

[quote=desmond] ZK,
I never mention kibu, so I guess you glossed over all the name calling posts by the gun control side, there are many. Now on to the solutions, (btw, I have owned guns since being a kid) I have tried in previous posts, maybe on the other thread, to point out how hard it will be to find a solution for the mass killing episodes. Ban a certain gun another one will be used, try to cut down on the the clip size, smaller clips can be replaced in seconds to continue shooting. It probably will not be banning certain guns or any type of “registering” that will do anything to help (imo). I also fear that if the mental aspect gets more “crackdown” than the people that need help will avoid it. As the post deteriorates into name calling (by both sides) it becomes useless. Unless both sides are willing to work together a cramdown solution by either side will, pardon the pun, backfire.[/quote]

You didn’t mention KIBU, but Paul’s response was to him. My point was that, if you’re basing your conclusion that Paul’s side will get tired of name calling, it isn’t supported by Paul’s post. Which was to KIBU. Who didn’t call anybody names. I could explain it more thoroughly, but my explanations of my logic seem to take 7 posts and still really don’t get across, so forget it. It’s all right there, and it really shouldn’t be that hard to understand.

Anyway, as for your solution, if your post includes one that you think will work, I’m missing it.

[desmond]

I did not base my post on either kibu or paul. Get over that and on to a general discussion or do you just want to prove your point? If you want a discussion than discuss what I posted. It will be very difficult to find a real solution, no I do not have an answer. It seems the gun control side, like you, just want to slam gun owners,think your above them and just do no like them or their lifestyle?

[zk]

[quote=desmond] I did not base my post on either kibu or paul.
[/quote]
OK. When you quoted Paul’s response to KIBU, and your first line was, “this is what I saw coming,” it seemed like “this” was Paul’s post and ones like it.
[quote=desmond]
Get over that and on to a general discussion or do you just want to prove your point? If you want a discussion than discuss what I posted. It will be very difficult to find a real solution, no I do not have an answer. It seems the gun control side, like you, just want to slam gun owners,think your above them and just do no like them or their lifestyle? [/quote]

Not sure where you’re getting any of that.

I’ve suggested real options. You have suggested none. Yet you slam gun-control advocates for not offering real solutions. I’m not sure I see how that flies.

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