OT: Hydrogen car debuts in London 360 MPG

[temeculaguy]

Costa, I wasn’t blaming anyone, I was venting frustration. It’s not the time to point fingers in blame, rather, point in a new direction. One that makes sense on a number of levels, solves many problems at the same time and is now at a point when something dramatic can and should happen. Who remembers Schoolhouse Rock and it’s “necessity is the mother of invention” episode.

It’s a problem, it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved in a short period of time and sometimes radical means are needed. Is there another General Leslie R. Groves out there right now? Who is he TG? I’ll tell you. He was the guy in charge of the manhattan project, he had a problem, WWII sucked and losing would suck even more. He needed smart guys, but smart guys are sometimes unstable guys. He needed Oppenheimer, but Opie was a borderline communist, a wild eyed leftist and was considered a security risk. Groves found his scrotum, took a chance and science changed. Granted, innocent people died, lots of them. Many of us old enough to remember were a part of nuclear attack drills in school, they caused our world to change. This problem should be easier to tackle, it should be a cakewalk compared to getting radical left wing scientists to make weapons of mass destruction. We don’t even need a man half as tough as Groves or half as smart as Opie, because this problem has no downside, no moral dilemma. Schoolkids wont be doing “high mpg” drills and having bad dreams for decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves

General Groves was the Phil Jackson of the 1940’s, somewhere, right now, a version of Groves and Oppenheimer exists and can I just get an amen brother, that we need to find those guys and put them in charge of the taxpayer owned car companies, TODAY. If it means employing hippies, wackos or commies, I don’t give two shits, the oppenheimer of alternative fuel is out there, find him, beat him over the head, threaten him and then lock him in a room until I get 360 mpg’s, is that too much to ask?

[an]

The one source of energy that we’ll never run out of is solar. If we can have break through in solar cell and make it feasible to be used it car, it would be efficient enough to be our only source of energy. I see solar cell in the same light as micro processors. It wasn’t too long ago where we were happy to have 166MHz in a huge computer. Now, even “dumb” cell phones have more processing power than that.

[an]

The one source of energy that we’ll never run out of is solar. If we can have break through in solar cell and make it feasible to be used it car, it would be efficient enough to be our only source of energy. I see solar cell in the same light as micro processors. It wasn’t too long ago where we were happy to have 166MHz in a huge computer. Now, even “dumb” cell phones have more processing power than that.

[an]

The one source of energy that we’ll never run out of is solar. If we can have break through in solar cell and make it feasible to be used it car, it would be efficient enough to be our only source of energy. I see solar cell in the same light as micro processors. It wasn’t too long ago where we were happy to have 166MHz in a huge computer. Now, even “dumb” cell phones have more processing power than that.

[an]

The one source of energy that we’ll never run out of is solar. If we can have break through in solar cell and make it feasible to be used it car, it would be efficient enough to be our only source of energy. I see solar cell in the same light as micro processors. It wasn’t too long ago where we were happy to have 166MHz in a huge computer. Now, even “dumb” cell phones have more processing power than that.

[an]

The one source of energy that we’ll never run out of is solar. If we can have break through in solar cell and make it feasible to be used it car, it would be efficient enough to be our only source of energy. I see solar cell in the same light as micro processors. It wasn’t too long ago where we were happy to have 166MHz in a huge computer. Now, even “dumb” cell phones have more processing power than that.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]If a 50cc scooter that tops out a 35 mph gets 100 mpg or above then I am skeptical of 360 mpg at the least. [/quote]

A 50cc scooter (plus the driver) has terrible aerodynamics, its coefficient of drag is 3 to 4 times higher than Cd of a conventionally-shaped car. And if it’s gasoline-powered, don’t forget about inherently low efficiency of an internal combustion engine, generally thought to be on the order of 30%.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]If a 50cc scooter that tops out a 35 mph gets 100 mpg or above then I am skeptical of 360 mpg at the least. [/quote]

A 50cc scooter (plus the driver) has terrible aerodynamics, its coefficient of drag is 3 to 4 times higher than Cd of a conventionally-shaped car. And if it’s gasoline-powered, don’t forget about inherently low efficiency of an internal combustion engine, generally thought to be on the order of 30%.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]If a 50cc scooter that tops out a 35 mph gets 100 mpg or above then I am skeptical of 360 mpg at the least. [/quote]

A 50cc scooter (plus the driver) has terrible aerodynamics, its coefficient of drag is 3 to 4 times higher than Cd of a conventionally-shaped car. And if it’s gasoline-powered, don’t forget about inherently low efficiency of an internal combustion engine, generally thought to be on the order of 30%.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]If a 50cc scooter that tops out a 35 mph gets 100 mpg or above then I am skeptical of 360 mpg at the least. [/quote]

A 50cc scooter (plus the driver) has terrible aerodynamics, its coefficient of drag is 3 to 4 times higher than Cd of a conventionally-shaped car. And if it’s gasoline-powered, don’t forget about inherently low efficiency of an internal combustion engine, generally thought to be on the order of 30%.

[Eugene]

[quote=sd_matt]If a 50cc scooter that tops out a 35 mph gets 100 mpg or above then I am skeptical of 360 mpg at the least. [/quote]

A 50cc scooter (plus the driver) has terrible aerodynamics, its coefficient of drag is 3 to 4 times higher than Cd of a conventionally-shaped car. And if it’s gasoline-powered, don’t forget about inherently low efficiency of an internal combustion engine, generally thought to be on the order of 30%.

[Rt.66]

[quote=CostaMesa]That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need. [/quote]

Ford says the reason they don’t offer the high-mileage diesel in the US boils down to costs. Not enough Americans are willing to pay thousands of dollars more for the same car with a more costly to produce diesel engine.

One of the reasons Americans don’t see the benefit is that diesel is generally more expensive than gasoline (right now is a temporary exception). Diesel is expensive because of taxes. Government taxes.

Last year you could not buy ANY diesel car in California due to emission standards. Again, Government emission standards.

The Gov. has a role to play in diesels gaining a larger portion of the US car market. You are correct though, there are other issues.

This is a good article on the subject:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/09/can_diesel_ever.html

Who said anything about Obama or unions?
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School House Rock LOL!
Conjunction junction what’s your function….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo

[Rt.66]

[quote=CostaMesa]That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need. [/quote]

Ford says the reason they don’t offer the high-mileage diesel in the US boils down to costs. Not enough Americans are willing to pay thousands of dollars more for the same car with a more costly to produce diesel engine.

One of the reasons Americans don’t see the benefit is that diesel is generally more expensive than gasoline (right now is a temporary exception). Diesel is expensive because of taxes. Government taxes.

Last year you could not buy ANY diesel car in California due to emission standards. Again, Government emission standards.

The Gov. has a role to play in diesels gaining a larger portion of the US car market. You are correct though, there are other issues.

This is a good article on the subject:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/09/can_diesel_ever.html

Who said anything about Obama or unions?
——————–

School House Rock LOL!
Conjunction junction what’s your function….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo

[Rt.66]

[quote=CostaMesa]That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need. [/quote]

Ford says the reason they don’t offer the high-mileage diesel in the US boils down to costs. Not enough Americans are willing to pay thousands of dollars more for the same car with a more costly to produce diesel engine.

One of the reasons Americans don’t see the benefit is that diesel is generally more expensive than gasoline (right now is a temporary exception). Diesel is expensive because of taxes. Government taxes.

Last year you could not buy ANY diesel car in California due to emission standards. Again, Government emission standards.

The Gov. has a role to play in diesels gaining a larger portion of the US car market. You are correct though, there are other issues.

This is a good article on the subject:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/09/can_diesel_ever.html

Who said anything about Obama or unions?
——————–

School House Rock LOL!
Conjunction junction what’s your function….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo

[Rt.66]

[quote=CostaMesa]That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need. [/quote]

Ford says the reason they don’t offer the high-mileage diesel in the US boils down to costs. Not enough Americans are willing to pay thousands of dollars more for the same car with a more costly to produce diesel engine.

One of the reasons Americans don’t see the benefit is that diesel is generally more expensive than gasoline (right now is a temporary exception). Diesel is expensive because of taxes. Government taxes.

Last year you could not buy ANY diesel car in California due to emission standards. Again, Government emission standards.

The Gov. has a role to play in diesels gaining a larger portion of the US car market. You are correct though, there are other issues.

This is a good article on the subject:
http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/2008/09/can_diesel_ever.html

Who said anything about Obama or unions?
——————–

School House Rock LOL!
Conjunction junction what’s your function….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo

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