OT: Hydrogen car debuts in London 360 MPG

[temeculaguy]

[quote=briansd1][quote=threadkiller]they do make sense for Postal workers, guards and others that walk a lot in their jobs. [/quote]

What’s wrong with walking?

We can save energy simply by living closer together and walk like the Europeans do.

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Because it’s in our blood to like space. Many of our ancestors came from close proximity countries, they came here because they were the odd duck and wanted space. The Europe you referenced is where many Americans came from a few generations ago, lured by open space, of those that did come, the ones that wanted even more space ventured West, Darwinism is in full effect, we probably have a gene that makes us like our space. I’ve never understood country music, I think it’s popularity is a direct result of that same gene mutating somehow. Think about it, we are probably the only people in the world who will drive five miles in perfect weather to a gym, so we can run or walk five miles on a treadmill, then drive home. So instead of trying to change our genetic makeup, lets figure out a better fuel source. Now that we own the automakers as taxpayers, why can’t we demand innovation, tranfer some people from NASA and bring in Steve Jobs as the ceo for GM, let him bring as many hippies as he wants, mix in a few hundred engineers from different countries, walks of life and areas of expertise. Then bring in Phil Jackson and Mitch Kupchek of the Lakers as VP’s, they are the most skilled men in the country at identifying, assembling and leading talent. The problem here is that we have not identified the blueprint, but one only has to rent the movie “The Dirty Dozen” to see how to assemble an effective team to solve a difficult problem.

And no, I’m not living next to hobos and I’m not walking everywhere, go back to the drawing board and bring me something else.

[Rt.66]

Timely thread TG and fun to read as always.

BMW has a car that bridges the hydrogen infrastructure barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

Good point Threadkiller, on the high MPG diesels that Europe is crawling with and we just can’t seem to get many of. Ford makes a great economy diesel, unfortunately our wise Gov. sees fit in making sure it’s just not feasible for Ford to provide it to the US market.

I think Compresses Natural Gas (CNG) cars have a role to play and for the same reasons TG gives for Hydrogen. Oil will be front and center in our minds and wallets again; why not put stimulus money and people to work heading that bad reality off at the pass?

All cities have a network of natural gas lines already in place. Most already have some CNG vehicle refueling stations. Many are already running busses on CNG. CNG powered vehicles are ideal for inner city use because they are much cleaner burning. America is awash in natural gas that does not need the dirty processing that crude requires.

Current car and truck models can be converted to CNG use (no need for completely new models or complete retooling) so American car manufacturers could be put to work making these CNG cars ASAP.

Why not plan ahead? Let’s build Nuke plants for electricity (how about the buried ones so we don’t have leak worries)? Burning an assload of natural gas thru turbines to create electricity is a dumb use of a priceless resource.

Let’s use natural gas in cars and trucks in cities where creating refueling stations is viable. With that we will be taking pressure off of crude oil use and price.

America over the past 30 years seems little interested in long term planning, just immediate needs and desires.

Tinfoil hat time….it’s so obvious to so many Americans that if we need to create a bunch of debt to stimulate the economy we should spend it on things that:

1) Provide tons of jobs
2) Are cleaner technology.
3) Create lasting benefits for the American people
4) Leave something of great value to future generations, (not just FIRE economy debt).
5) Result in cheaper energy (eventually).

Why can’t Obama and the string pullers see this? My guess is they couldn’t possibly miss it; they just “want” something else for our future.

[Rt.66]

Timely thread TG and fun to read as always.

BMW has a car that bridges the hydrogen infrastructure barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

Good point Threadkiller, on the high MPG diesels that Europe is crawling with and we just can’t seem to get many of. Ford makes a great economy diesel, unfortunately our wise Gov. sees fit in making sure it’s just not feasible for Ford to provide it to the US market.

I think Compresses Natural Gas (CNG) cars have a role to play and for the same reasons TG gives for Hydrogen. Oil will be front and center in our minds and wallets again; why not put stimulus money and people to work heading that bad reality off at the pass?

All cities have a network of natural gas lines already in place. Most already have some CNG vehicle refueling stations. Many are already running busses on CNG. CNG powered vehicles are ideal for inner city use because they are much cleaner burning. America is awash in natural gas that does not need the dirty processing that crude requires.

Current car and truck models can be converted to CNG use (no need for completely new models or complete retooling) so American car manufacturers could be put to work making these CNG cars ASAP.

Why not plan ahead? Let’s build Nuke plants for electricity (how about the buried ones so we don’t have leak worries)? Burning an assload of natural gas thru turbines to create electricity is a dumb use of a priceless resource.

Let’s use natural gas in cars and trucks in cities where creating refueling stations is viable. With that we will be taking pressure off of crude oil use and price.

America over the past 30 years seems little interested in long term planning, just immediate needs and desires.

Tinfoil hat time….it’s so obvious to so many Americans that if we need to create a bunch of debt to stimulate the economy we should spend it on things that:

1) Provide tons of jobs
2) Are cleaner technology.
3) Create lasting benefits for the American people
4) Leave something of great value to future generations, (not just FIRE economy debt).
5) Result in cheaper energy (eventually).

Why can’t Obama and the string pullers see this? My guess is they couldn’t possibly miss it; they just “want” something else for our future.

[Rt.66]

Timely thread TG and fun to read as always.

BMW has a car that bridges the hydrogen infrastructure barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

Good point Threadkiller, on the high MPG diesels that Europe is crawling with and we just can’t seem to get many of. Ford makes a great economy diesel, unfortunately our wise Gov. sees fit in making sure it’s just not feasible for Ford to provide it to the US market.

I think Compresses Natural Gas (CNG) cars have a role to play and for the same reasons TG gives for Hydrogen. Oil will be front and center in our minds and wallets again; why not put stimulus money and people to work heading that bad reality off at the pass?

All cities have a network of natural gas lines already in place. Most already have some CNG vehicle refueling stations. Many are already running busses on CNG. CNG powered vehicles are ideal for inner city use because they are much cleaner burning. America is awash in natural gas that does not need the dirty processing that crude requires.

Current car and truck models can be converted to CNG use (no need for completely new models or complete retooling) so American car manufacturers could be put to work making these CNG cars ASAP.

Why not plan ahead? Let’s build Nuke plants for electricity (how about the buried ones so we don’t have leak worries)? Burning an assload of natural gas thru turbines to create electricity is a dumb use of a priceless resource.

Let’s use natural gas in cars and trucks in cities where creating refueling stations is viable. With that we will be taking pressure off of crude oil use and price.

America over the past 30 years seems little interested in long term planning, just immediate needs and desires.

Tinfoil hat time….it’s so obvious to so many Americans that if we need to create a bunch of debt to stimulate the economy we should spend it on things that:

1) Provide tons of jobs
2) Are cleaner technology.
3) Create lasting benefits for the American people
4) Leave something of great value to future generations, (not just FIRE economy debt).
5) Result in cheaper energy (eventually).

Why can’t Obama and the string pullers see this? My guess is they couldn’t possibly miss it; they just “want” something else for our future.

[Rt.66]

Timely thread TG and fun to read as always.

BMW has a car that bridges the hydrogen infrastructure barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

Good point Threadkiller, on the high MPG diesels that Europe is crawling with and we just can’t seem to get many of. Ford makes a great economy diesel, unfortunately our wise Gov. sees fit in making sure it’s just not feasible for Ford to provide it to the US market.

I think Compresses Natural Gas (CNG) cars have a role to play and for the same reasons TG gives for Hydrogen. Oil will be front and center in our minds and wallets again; why not put stimulus money and people to work heading that bad reality off at the pass?

All cities have a network of natural gas lines already in place. Most already have some CNG vehicle refueling stations. Many are already running busses on CNG. CNG powered vehicles are ideal for inner city use because they are much cleaner burning. America is awash in natural gas that does not need the dirty processing that crude requires.

Current car and truck models can be converted to CNG use (no need for completely new models or complete retooling) so American car manufacturers could be put to work making these CNG cars ASAP.

Why not plan ahead? Let’s build Nuke plants for electricity (how about the buried ones so we don’t have leak worries)? Burning an assload of natural gas thru turbines to create electricity is a dumb use of a priceless resource.

Let’s use natural gas in cars and trucks in cities where creating refueling stations is viable. With that we will be taking pressure off of crude oil use and price.

America over the past 30 years seems little interested in long term planning, just immediate needs and desires.

Tinfoil hat time….it’s so obvious to so many Americans that if we need to create a bunch of debt to stimulate the economy we should spend it on things that:

1) Provide tons of jobs
2) Are cleaner technology.
3) Create lasting benefits for the American people
4) Leave something of great value to future generations, (not just FIRE economy debt).
5) Result in cheaper energy (eventually).

Why can’t Obama and the string pullers see this? My guess is they couldn’t possibly miss it; they just “want” something else for our future.

[Rt.66]

Timely thread TG and fun to read as always.

BMW has a car that bridges the hydrogen infrastructure barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7

Good point Threadkiller, on the high MPG diesels that Europe is crawling with and we just can’t seem to get many of. Ford makes a great economy diesel, unfortunately our wise Gov. sees fit in making sure it’s just not feasible for Ford to provide it to the US market.

I think Compresses Natural Gas (CNG) cars have a role to play and for the same reasons TG gives for Hydrogen. Oil will be front and center in our minds and wallets again; why not put stimulus money and people to work heading that bad reality off at the pass?

All cities have a network of natural gas lines already in place. Most already have some CNG vehicle refueling stations. Many are already running busses on CNG. CNG powered vehicles are ideal for inner city use because they are much cleaner burning. America is awash in natural gas that does not need the dirty processing that crude requires.

Current car and truck models can be converted to CNG use (no need for completely new models or complete retooling) so American car manufacturers could be put to work making these CNG cars ASAP.

Why not plan ahead? Let’s build Nuke plants for electricity (how about the buried ones so we don’t have leak worries)? Burning an assload of natural gas thru turbines to create electricity is a dumb use of a priceless resource.

Let’s use natural gas in cars and trucks in cities where creating refueling stations is viable. With that we will be taking pressure off of crude oil use and price.

America over the past 30 years seems little interested in long term planning, just immediate needs and desires.

Tinfoil hat time….it’s so obvious to so many Americans that if we need to create a bunch of debt to stimulate the economy we should spend it on things that:

1) Provide tons of jobs
2) Are cleaner technology.
3) Create lasting benefits for the American people
4) Leave something of great value to future generations, (not just FIRE economy debt).
5) Result in cheaper energy (eventually).

Why can’t Obama and the string pullers see this? My guess is they couldn’t possibly miss it; they just “want” something else for our future.

[CostaMesa]

That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need.

[CostaMesa]

That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need.

[CostaMesa]

That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need.

[CostaMesa]

That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need.

[CostaMesa]

That’s right. The reason there are almost no 2008 small diesels in the USA can be explained by a grand conspiracy by the months-old Obama administration to prevent good and decent American citizens from having what Big Oil is most afraid of: fuel efficiency. [rolling eyes]

Have y’all ever spoken with someone from a car company? IF they could stop blaming the unions for all of their problems, they’d start blaming the government. Oh wait, they’re doing that now too. Never once will anyone hear a carmaker take responsibility for failing to bring cars to America that we need.

[temeculaguy]

Costa, I wasn’t blaming anyone, I was venting frustration. It’s not the time to point fingers in blame, rather, point in a new direction. One that makes sense on a number of levels, solves many problems at the same time and is now at a point when something dramatic can and should happen. Who remembers Schoolhouse Rock and it’s “necessity is the mother of invention” episode.

It’s a problem, it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved in a short period of time and sometimes radical means are needed. Is there another General Leslie R. Groves out there right now? Who is he TG? I’ll tell you. He was the guy in charge of the manhattan project, he had a problem, WWII sucked and losing would suck even more. He needed smart guys, but smart guys are sometimes unstable guys. He needed Oppenheimer, but Opie was a borderline communist, a wild eyed leftist and was considered a security risk. Groves found his scrotum, took a chance and science changed. Granted, innocent people died, lots of them. Many of us old enough to remember were a part of nuclear attack drills in school, they caused our world to change. This problem should be easier to tackle, it should be a cakewalk compared to getting radical left wing scientists to make weapons of mass destruction. We don’t even need a man half as tough as Groves or half as smart as Opie, because this problem has no downside, no moral dilemma. Schoolkids wont be doing “high mpg” drills and having bad dreams for decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves

General Groves was the Phil Jackson of the 1940’s, somewhere, right now, a version of Groves and Oppenheimer exists and can I just get an amen brother, that we need to find those guys and put them in charge of the taxpayer owned car companies, TODAY. If it means employing hippies, wackos or commies, I don’t give two shits, the oppenheimer of alternative fuel is out there, find him, beat him over the head, threaten him and then lock him in a room until I get 360 mpg’s, is that too much to ask?

[temeculaguy]

Costa, I wasn’t blaming anyone, I was venting frustration. It’s not the time to point fingers in blame, rather, point in a new direction. One that makes sense on a number of levels, solves many problems at the same time and is now at a point when something dramatic can and should happen. Who remembers Schoolhouse Rock and it’s “necessity is the mother of invention” episode.

It’s a problem, it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved in a short period of time and sometimes radical means are needed. Is there another General Leslie R. Groves out there right now? Who is he TG? I’ll tell you. He was the guy in charge of the manhattan project, he had a problem, WWII sucked and losing would suck even more. He needed smart guys, but smart guys are sometimes unstable guys. He needed Oppenheimer, but Opie was a borderline communist, a wild eyed leftist and was considered a security risk. Groves found his scrotum, took a chance and science changed. Granted, innocent people died, lots of them. Many of us old enough to remember were a part of nuclear attack drills in school, they caused our world to change. This problem should be easier to tackle, it should be a cakewalk compared to getting radical left wing scientists to make weapons of mass destruction. We don’t even need a man half as tough as Groves or half as smart as Opie, because this problem has no downside, no moral dilemma. Schoolkids wont be doing “high mpg” drills and having bad dreams for decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves

General Groves was the Phil Jackson of the 1940’s, somewhere, right now, a version of Groves and Oppenheimer exists and can I just get an amen brother, that we need to find those guys and put them in charge of the taxpayer owned car companies, TODAY. If it means employing hippies, wackos or commies, I don’t give two shits, the oppenheimer of alternative fuel is out there, find him, beat him over the head, threaten him and then lock him in a room until I get 360 mpg’s, is that too much to ask?

[temeculaguy]

Costa, I wasn’t blaming anyone, I was venting frustration. It’s not the time to point fingers in blame, rather, point in a new direction. One that makes sense on a number of levels, solves many problems at the same time and is now at a point when something dramatic can and should happen. Who remembers Schoolhouse Rock and it’s “necessity is the mother of invention” episode.

It’s a problem, it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved in a short period of time and sometimes radical means are needed. Is there another General Leslie R. Groves out there right now? Who is he TG? I’ll tell you. He was the guy in charge of the manhattan project, he had a problem, WWII sucked and losing would suck even more. He needed smart guys, but smart guys are sometimes unstable guys. He needed Oppenheimer, but Opie was a borderline communist, a wild eyed leftist and was considered a security risk. Groves found his scrotum, took a chance and science changed. Granted, innocent people died, lots of them. Many of us old enough to remember were a part of nuclear attack drills in school, they caused our world to change. This problem should be easier to tackle, it should be a cakewalk compared to getting radical left wing scientists to make weapons of mass destruction. We don’t even need a man half as tough as Groves or half as smart as Opie, because this problem has no downside, no moral dilemma. Schoolkids wont be doing “high mpg” drills and having bad dreams for decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves

General Groves was the Phil Jackson of the 1940’s, somewhere, right now, a version of Groves and Oppenheimer exists and can I just get an amen brother, that we need to find those guys and put them in charge of the taxpayer owned car companies, TODAY. If it means employing hippies, wackos or commies, I don’t give two shits, the oppenheimer of alternative fuel is out there, find him, beat him over the head, threaten him and then lock him in a room until I get 360 mpg’s, is that too much to ask?

[temeculaguy]

Costa, I wasn’t blaming anyone, I was venting frustration. It’s not the time to point fingers in blame, rather, point in a new direction. One that makes sense on a number of levels, solves many problems at the same time and is now at a point when something dramatic can and should happen. Who remembers Schoolhouse Rock and it’s “necessity is the mother of invention” episode.

It’s a problem, it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved in a short period of time and sometimes radical means are needed. Is there another General Leslie R. Groves out there right now? Who is he TG? I’ll tell you. He was the guy in charge of the manhattan project, he had a problem, WWII sucked and losing would suck even more. He needed smart guys, but smart guys are sometimes unstable guys. He needed Oppenheimer, but Opie was a borderline communist, a wild eyed leftist and was considered a security risk. Groves found his scrotum, took a chance and science changed. Granted, innocent people died, lots of them. Many of us old enough to remember were a part of nuclear attack drills in school, they caused our world to change. This problem should be easier to tackle, it should be a cakewalk compared to getting radical left wing scientists to make weapons of mass destruction. We don’t even need a man half as tough as Groves or half as smart as Opie, because this problem has no downside, no moral dilemma. Schoolkids wont be doing “high mpg” drills and having bad dreams for decades after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Oppenheimer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Groves

General Groves was the Phil Jackson of the 1940’s, somewhere, right now, a version of Groves and Oppenheimer exists and can I just get an amen brother, that we need to find those guys and put them in charge of the taxpayer owned car companies, TODAY. If it means employing hippies, wackos or commies, I don’t give two shits, the oppenheimer of alternative fuel is out there, find him, beat him over the head, threaten him and then lock him in a room until I get 360 mpg’s, is that too much to ask?

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