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March 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM #524872March 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM #523951
briansd1
Guest[quote=ocrenter]
I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.[/quote]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.
March 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM #524088briansd1
Guest[quote=ocrenter]
I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.[/quote]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.
March 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM #524529briansd1
Guest[quote=ocrenter]
I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.[/quote]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.
March 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM #524625briansd1
Guest[quote=ocrenter]
I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.[/quote]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.
March 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM #524883briansd1
Guest[quote=ocrenter]
I think the most important take away from the Taiwan experience is that picking a single payer system does not equal a country is going down that socialist pathway. that’s just how the debate here in this country has morphed into.in fact, if a government truly is pro-business, it’ll want to support that single payer system. As it would remove the burden of providing care from the employer and allow people the freedom to leave jobs and start new businesses.[/quote]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.
March 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM #523986Anonymous
GuestMeadandale must not be familiar with Mexico at all.
I have had several emergencies treated in Mexico and was never asked to pay up front or for insurance. On one occasion my wife was severly burned on the leg with boiling oil and was treated for weeks with silver oxide and grafts. Total cost was ~$300.00 at the Red cross hospital in Rosarito. Another time my 17 yr old son jumped down a water slide at a park in Tecate, hit his head and was knocked unconcious, and remained under water for about 30 seconds before his younger brother saw him and I jumped in to bring him to the surface. He was taken by ambulance to the Tecate General Hospital. Where he was seen by a general dr. an subsequently by a Neurosurgeon and given an anti clotting drug. Total cost $38.00. Of course when we returned to the states and took him to his regular Dr. we were chastized for not bringing him to the emergency room here where I’m sure the cost would have exceeded $10,000. I have lived in Mexico for over 10 yrs and have insurance through my employer here, but find the service in Mexico more efficient and cost effective in many circumstances.
TMarch 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM #524123Anonymous
GuestMeadandale must not be familiar with Mexico at all.
I have had several emergencies treated in Mexico and was never asked to pay up front or for insurance. On one occasion my wife was severly burned on the leg with boiling oil and was treated for weeks with silver oxide and grafts. Total cost was ~$300.00 at the Red cross hospital in Rosarito. Another time my 17 yr old son jumped down a water slide at a park in Tecate, hit his head and was knocked unconcious, and remained under water for about 30 seconds before his younger brother saw him and I jumped in to bring him to the surface. He was taken by ambulance to the Tecate General Hospital. Where he was seen by a general dr. an subsequently by a Neurosurgeon and given an anti clotting drug. Total cost $38.00. Of course when we returned to the states and took him to his regular Dr. we were chastized for not bringing him to the emergency room here where I’m sure the cost would have exceeded $10,000. I have lived in Mexico for over 10 yrs and have insurance through my employer here, but find the service in Mexico more efficient and cost effective in many circumstances.
TMarch 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM #524564Anonymous
GuestMeadandale must not be familiar with Mexico at all.
I have had several emergencies treated in Mexico and was never asked to pay up front or for insurance. On one occasion my wife was severly burned on the leg with boiling oil and was treated for weeks with silver oxide and grafts. Total cost was ~$300.00 at the Red cross hospital in Rosarito. Another time my 17 yr old son jumped down a water slide at a park in Tecate, hit his head and was knocked unconcious, and remained under water for about 30 seconds before his younger brother saw him and I jumped in to bring him to the surface. He was taken by ambulance to the Tecate General Hospital. Where he was seen by a general dr. an subsequently by a Neurosurgeon and given an anti clotting drug. Total cost $38.00. Of course when we returned to the states and took him to his regular Dr. we were chastized for not bringing him to the emergency room here where I’m sure the cost would have exceeded $10,000. I have lived in Mexico for over 10 yrs and have insurance through my employer here, but find the service in Mexico more efficient and cost effective in many circumstances.
TMarch 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM #524660Anonymous
GuestMeadandale must not be familiar with Mexico at all.
I have had several emergencies treated in Mexico and was never asked to pay up front or for insurance. On one occasion my wife was severly burned on the leg with boiling oil and was treated for weeks with silver oxide and grafts. Total cost was ~$300.00 at the Red cross hospital in Rosarito. Another time my 17 yr old son jumped down a water slide at a park in Tecate, hit his head and was knocked unconcious, and remained under water for about 30 seconds before his younger brother saw him and I jumped in to bring him to the surface. He was taken by ambulance to the Tecate General Hospital. Where he was seen by a general dr. an subsequently by a Neurosurgeon and given an anti clotting drug. Total cost $38.00. Of course when we returned to the states and took him to his regular Dr. we were chastized for not bringing him to the emergency room here where I’m sure the cost would have exceeded $10,000. I have lived in Mexico for over 10 yrs and have insurance through my employer here, but find the service in Mexico more efficient and cost effective in many circumstances.
TMarch 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM #524918Anonymous
GuestMeadandale must not be familiar with Mexico at all.
I have had several emergencies treated in Mexico and was never asked to pay up front or for insurance. On one occasion my wife was severly burned on the leg with boiling oil and was treated for weeks with silver oxide and grafts. Total cost was ~$300.00 at the Red cross hospital in Rosarito. Another time my 17 yr old son jumped down a water slide at a park in Tecate, hit his head and was knocked unconcious, and remained under water for about 30 seconds before his younger brother saw him and I jumped in to bring him to the surface. He was taken by ambulance to the Tecate General Hospital. Where he was seen by a general dr. an subsequently by a Neurosurgeon and given an anti clotting drug. Total cost $38.00. Of course when we returned to the states and took him to his regular Dr. we were chastized for not bringing him to the emergency room here where I’m sure the cost would have exceeded $10,000. I have lived in Mexico for over 10 yrs and have insurance through my employer here, but find the service in Mexico more efficient and cost effective in many circumstances.
TMarch 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM #523991ocrenter
Participant[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]
I understand what you are getting at.
here’s the big BUT.
if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.
or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.
This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.
March 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM #524128ocrenter
Participant[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]
I understand what you are getting at.
here’s the big BUT.
if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.
or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.
This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.
March 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM #524569ocrenter
Participant[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]
I understand what you are getting at.
here’s the big BUT.
if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.
or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.
This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.
March 10, 2010 at 1:03 PM #524665ocrenter
Participant[quote=briansd1]
ocrenter, since you support a single payer system, I’m wondering if you support the HCR bill as a better-than-nothing stop gap measure, or do you want all or nothing.
Back in 1971, Nixon proposed a health care bill that is more progressive than today’s. So far we have nothing.
I believe that if we are to have a single payer system, we need to arrive at it step by step otherwise, it’ll never happen.[/quote]
I understand what you are getting at.
here’s the big BUT.
if this bill passes, and it doesn’t do what it promises. and most likely it will not because you really can’t acheive the type of cost reduction he is looking for without that single payer system in place. you’ll be looking at an even more skeptical public that will fight any future reforms.
or, the other premise. this bill goes down, and allow the health care situation deteriorate so badly to the point that the public would accept out right single payer.
This is the same crossroad that we were encountered with in late 2008. do we spend a trillion dollar to bail out the financial system, in the process avoid a Great Depression II, but maintain a status quo that will continue our slow decline in economic power; or do we allow the system to completely collapse and hopefully stand up from the ashes renewed and stronger.
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