ot halloween candy haul

[scaredyclassic]

taxable or not?

[mike92104]

Only in CA

[spdrun]

It can be deducted as a business expense if it’s used to throw at things next Mischief Night 🙂

[NotCranky]

My wife and I tax it very heavily. The kids get to pick 5 pieces each. The rest , most of it anyway, is given away.

[Coronita]

My kid got two buckets of candy last night after walking around for 1 1/2 hrs.

I took one of the buckets and gave it to one of my neighbor’s kid who was too lazy to go out and trick o treat himself.

When my kid cried, pouted that wasn’t fair, and asked why, I explained to her that she’s too rich and we needed to redistribute half of her candy to people who didn’t have any candy last night because they didn’t want to walk up and down the hill for 1 1/2 hr….

I’m kidding….I’m kidding…..

I didn’t actually give one of the buckets away….
I just pretended like I was going to so she would know what it feels like so she would get use to it later….

I’m kidding… I’m kidding… Sort of….

[zk]

[quote=flu]My kid got two buckets of candy last night after walking around for 1 1/2 hrs.

I took one of the buckets and gave it to one of my neighbor’s kid who was too lazy to go out and trick o treat himself.

When my kid cried, pouted that wasn’t fair, and asked why, I explained to her that she’s too rich and we needed to redistribute half of her candy to people who didn’t have any candy last night because they didn’t want to walk up and down the hill for 1 1/2 hr….

I’m kidding….I’m kidding…..

I didn’t actually give one of the buckets away….
I just pretended like I was going to so she would know what it feels like so she would get use to it later….

I’m kidding… I’m kidding… Sort of….[/quote]

Your half kidding. I get it. Nonetheless, this is a typical conservative’s view of the intentions of liberals. Tax the hard-working well-off and give to the lazy poor.

Following is how I see it. (Not that this is a typical liberal view. Or, necessarily a liberal view at all).

Picture two kids. One is born in Carmel Valley. The other in Watts. They’re both near the middle of the lazy to hard-working spectrum. Both of average to a bit above average intelligence. The kid from CV gets Bs and some As, goes to SDSU, gets a job as an accountant. His sister does something similar. The kid from Watts ends up in a gang, gets shot in the leg, the taxpayers pay for his surgery, and eventually he winds up with a minimum wage job that is supplemented by food stamps. His sister has a kid, there’s no father around, and she’s on welfare.

The kids from CV are paying taxes to support the kids from Watts. But are those kids really that different from each other? Let’s say, hypothetically, that we could have identical twins raised separately in these situations (except the ones in Watts would appear black/hispanic and the ones in CV would appear white/asian). In fact, let’s just switch gene pools entirely between CV and Watts. Does anybody think the outcome would be different from how it is now? Would the kid with the white/asian genes turn out any different from the kids with the black/hispanic genes?

Now, I know that no one is suggesting that racial differences have anything to do with it. And neither am I. The point I’m trying to make is that it’s the environment that you grow up in that has everything to do with it. Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? If it’s not their genes, it has to be their environment. Right? It’s not because they’re lazy. And if it is, it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude.

Sure, a kid from Watts has the opportunity to make it out of the ghetto. He can get good grades. He can go to UC. He can be an accountant. But for him to do that from Watts would take a great deal more… I don’t know… rebelliousness, focus, fortitude. Self motivation. The kid from CV has his parents hounding him to do his homework and practice his violin. The kid from Watts… generally not as much. He’s much more likely to have to do it by himself. His parents aren’t really placing an emphasis on education. So your occasional special kid will make it out. But the general population is going to turn out people who are expensive to the taxpayers.

Yes, these are generalizations. Not every family in Watts doesn’t emphasize education. Not every family in CV does (At least I don’t think they do. Every family I know does). But these are probably pretty accurate generalizations. In Watts, you can avoid the gangs if you try. I’d imagine, though, for a 15-year-old boy who’s father isn’t around, it’s pretty hard. In Carmel Valley, you’d really have to go out of your way to join a gang. And if you did and your dad or, god forbid, your tiger mom found out…

So right now, I imagine the conservatives are focusing on the “And if it is (because they’re lazy), it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude” comment. And let’s go ahead and add uneducated and unskilled to lazy, because their environment produced that, as well. (Actually, lazy isn’t the exact word I’m looking for. More like “disinclined to work at a job and to take the steps necessary to contribute to society.” Which is different. But lazy is close enough, so I’ll use that.) So, at this point, you could say, “I don’t care why they’re lazy. They’re lazy. I don’t want to pay for their food stamps.” Ok, but then what happens? They’re hungry and they don’t have jobs. Doesn’t take Nostradamus to see what happens after that.

So, assuming that the same population raised in Carmel Valley will turn out differently from if it was raised in Watts, what’s the solution?

Well, it’s not to keep doing what we’re doing or to give them more free assistance. Because that’s not going to change anything and it’s going to cost a lot of money. Nonetheless, this is a view that some liberals hold. And it’s not to just say “fuck them” and hope for the best. Because, while that might save some money in the short run, it is not a viable long-term strategy. To hope that the underclass will say, “well, the jig is up. Gotta get a job now and start contributing to society” is a pipe dream. Nonetheless, this is a view that some conservatives hold.

I think the solution is (and I’ve said this before in this forum) to change their environment and their culture and their access to education. This would obviously be a difficult, expensive, and, in the case of their culture, very politically incorrect thing to attempt. But what choice do we have?

[Coronita]

[quote=zk][quote=flu]My kid got two buckets of candy last night after walking around for 1 1/2 hrs.

I took one of the buckets and gave it to one of my neighbor’s kid who was too lazy to go out and trick o treat himself.

When my kid cried, pouted that wasn’t fair, and asked why, I explained to her that she’s too rich and we needed to redistribute half of her candy to people who didn’t have any candy last night because they didn’t want to walk up and down the hill for 1 1/2 hr….

I’m kidding….I’m kidding…..

I didn’t actually give one of the buckets away….
I just pretended like I was going to so she would know what it feels like so she would get use to it later….

I’m kidding… I’m kidding… Sort of….[/quote]

Your half kidding. I get it. Nonetheless, this is a typical conservative’s view of the intentions of liberals. Tax the hard-working well-off and give to the lazy poor.

Following is how I see it. (Not that this is a typical liberal view. Or, necessarily a liberal view at all).

Picture two kids. One is born in Carmel Valley. The other in Watts. They’re both near the middle of the lazy to hard-working spectrum. Both of average to a bit above average intelligence. The kid from CV gets Bs and some As, goes to SDSU, gets a job as an accountant. His sister does something similar. The kid from Watts ends up in a gang, gets shot in the leg, the taxpayers pay for his surgery, and eventually he winds up with a minimum wage job that is supplemented by food stamps. His sister has a kid, there’s no father around, and she’s on welfare.

The kids from CV are paying taxes to support the kids from Watts. But are those kids really that different from each other? Let’s say, hypothetically, that we could have identical twins raised separately in these situations (except the ones in Watts would appear black/hispanic and the ones in CV would appear white/asian). In fact, let’s just switch gene pools entirely between CV and Watts. Does anybody think the outcome would be different from how it is now? Would the kid with the white/asian genes turn out any different from the kids with the black/hispanic genes?

Now, I know that no one is suggesting that racial differences have anything to do with it. And neither am I. The point I’m trying to make is that it’s the environment that you grow up in that has everything to do with it. Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? If it’s not their genes, it has to be their environment. Right? It’s not because they’re lazy. And if it is, it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude.

Sure, a kid from Watts has the opportunity to make it out of the ghetto. He can get good grades. He can go to UC. He can be an accountant. But for him to do that from Watts would take a great deal more… I don’t know… rebelliousness, focus, fortitude. Self motivation. The kid from CV has his parents hounding him to do his homework and practice his violin. The kid from Watts… generally not as much. He’s much more likely to have to do it by himself. His parents aren’t really placing an emphasis on education. So your occasional special kid will make it out. But the general population is going to turn out people who are expensive to the taxpayers.

Yes, these are generalizations. Not every family in Watts doesn’t emphasize education. Not every family in CV does (At least I don’t think they do. Every family I know does). But these are probably pretty accurate generalizations. In Watts, you can avoid the gangs if you try. I’d imagine, though, for a 15-year-old boy who’s father isn’t around, it’s pretty hard. In Carmel Valley, you’d really have to go out of your way to join a gang. And if you did and your dad or, god forbid, your tiger mom found out…

So right now, I imagine the conservatives are focusing on the “And if it is (because they’re lazy), it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude” comment. And let’s go ahead and add uneducated and unskilled to lazy, because their environment produced that, as well. (Actually, lazy isn’t the exact word I’m looking for. More like “disinclined to work at a job and to take the steps necessary to contribute to society.” Which is different. But lazy is close enough, so I’ll use that.) So, at this point, you could say, “I don’t care why they’re lazy. They’re lazy. I don’t want to pay for their food stamps.” Ok, but then what happens? They’re hungry and they don’t have jobs. Doesn’t take Nostradamus to see what happens after that.

So, assuming that the same population raised in Carmel Valley will turn out differently from if it was raised in Watts, what’s the solution?

Well, it’s not to keep doing what we’re doing or to give them more free assistance. Because that’s not going to change anything and it’s going to cost a lot of money. Nonetheless, this is a view that some liberals hold. And it’s not to just say “fuck them” and hope for the best. Because, while that might save some money in the short run, it is not a viable long-term strategy. To hope that the underclass will say, “well, the jig is up. Gotta get a job now and start contributing to society” is a pipe dream. Nonetheless, this is a view that some conservatives hold.

I think the solution is (and I’ve said this before in this forum) to change their environment and their culture and their access to education. This would obviously be a difficult, expensive, and, in the case of their culture, very politically incorrect thing to attempt. But what choice do we have?[/quote]

Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…

And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?

Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?

Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.

Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????

Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?

Generalize much?

[zk]

[quote=flu]

Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…

And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?

Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?

Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.

Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????

Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?

Generalize much?[/quote]

I only mentioned race because my hypothetical wouldn’t really work with an Asian kid in Watts with Hispanic parents. As I said, race doesn’t have anything to do with it. You must have missed that part.

Even though I said race doesn’t have anything to do with it, in so many words, you accused me of turning your joke into a race issue several times. You’re a real pain in the ass. And your reading skills are seriously lacking. You and AN, who also “misses” important parts of my posts and responds with lame non sequiturs and nonsense. Maybe it’s an Asian thing. Just kidding. Sort of. Maybe.

Flu, you’re a conservative. Unless I miss my mark, you view the liberal philosophy as “tax the hard-working well-off and give to the lazy poor.” And, again unless I miss my mark, you’re philosophy would be to do less of both. You certainly do a lot of bitching and moaning about liberals. But if you don’t have any better ideas or you can’t defend the ones you have, then why don’t you just keep your whiny cynicism to yourself?

[flyer]

With no political implications intended, IMO, the sad thing is that all young people are going to be burdened with our nation’s debt and other issues by varying degrees, and even those from wealthy families may find their dreams unattainable.

Using my kid’s friends in their 20’s and early 30’s as a barometer, we’re currently seeing about a 50/50 success rate (i.e.–getting their dream job, buying a home, etc.) playing out in their lives. At this point it time it’s difficult to know if things will get better or worse for them in the future, but, again, IMO, a life of unfulfilled dreams isn’t much of a life–regardless of your financial situation.

[Coronita]

[quote=zk][quote=flu]

Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…

And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?

Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?

Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.

Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????

Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?

Generalize much?[/quote]

I only mentioned race because my hypothetical wouldn’t really work with an Asian kid in Watts with Hispanic parents. As I said, race doesn’t have anything to do with it. You must have missed that part.

Even though I said race doesn’t have anything to do with it, in so many words, you accused me of turning your joke into a race issue several times. You’re a real pain in the ass. And your reading skills are seriously lacking. You and AN, who also “misses” important parts of my posts and responds with lame non sequiturs and nonsense. Maybe it’s an Asian thing. Just kidding. Sort of. Maybe.

Flu, you’re a conservative. Unless I miss my mark, you view the liberal philosophy as “tax the hard-working well-off and give to the lazy poor.” And, again unless I miss my mark, you’re philosophy would be to do less of both. You certainly do a lot of bitching and moaning about liberals. But if you don’t have any better ideas or you can’t defend the ones you have, then why don’t you just keep your whiny cynicism to yourself?[/quote]

Exercising my constitutional right to express my opinion and free speech. That’s still allowed, right?

I got a better idea. If you don’t like what people say, you can hit the ignore button. Which is fine by me.

Since when am I “whining?” here (besides the affordability part in CarmelV)…

Actually, it’s pretty funny that you throw the “conservative” label around. Since people who know me probably can tell you I’m as socially open minded more than you think. Of course, I do believe in a sense of personal responsibility when it comes to finances. Which i think is what this real estate blog was all about…Maybe you forgot about that portion, because maybe you haven’t been along long enough.

Financial stupidity isn’t a conservative versus liberal thing. Unless you want to equate financial stupidity to being liberal..

See, you know what your problem is? You don’t mind dishing it out to people who differ opinions or jab at things, but oh no, when someone says something that rubs you the wrong way, you need to put yourself on a high and mighty soap box and give people a lecture and you immediately attach the conservative label to anything that goes against the grain of your thinking. Pretty open minded there… Pretty entertaining…

Also, pretty open minded there that you keep bringing race into this.

And what do you mean “It wouldn’t work with Asian kid in Watts with Hispanic parents” as you say?

Are you,again generalizing that every single asian is born into a well educated, high income/ upper middle class. And are you also suggesting that no asians are poor, no asians are lazy, and hence no asians would “fit”?

Like I said, generalize much?

[CA renter]

[quote=zk][quote=flu]My kid got two buckets of candy last night after walking around for 1 1/2 hrs.

I took one of the buckets and gave it to one of my neighbor’s kid who was too lazy to go out and trick o treat himself.

When my kid cried, pouted that wasn’t fair, and asked why, I explained to her that she’s too rich and we needed to redistribute half of her candy to people who didn’t have any candy last night because they didn’t want to walk up and down the hill for 1 1/2 hr….

I’m kidding….I’m kidding…..

I didn’t actually give one of the buckets away….
I just pretended like I was going to so she would know what it feels like so she would get use to it later….

I’m kidding… I’m kidding… Sort of….[/quote]

Your half kidding. I get it. Nonetheless, this is a typical conservative’s view of the intentions of liberals. Tax the hard-working well-off and give to the lazy poor.

Following is how I see it. (Not that this is a typical liberal view. Or, necessarily a liberal view at all).

Picture two kids. One is born in Carmel Valley. The other in Watts. They’re both near the middle of the lazy to hard-working spectrum. Both of average to a bit above average intelligence. The kid from CV gets Bs and some As, goes to SDSU, gets a job as an accountant. His sister does something similar. The kid from Watts ends up in a gang, gets shot in the leg, the taxpayers pay for his surgery, and eventually he winds up with a minimum wage job that is supplemented by food stamps. His sister has a kid, there’s no father around, and she’s on welfare.

The kids from CV are paying taxes to support the kids from Watts. But are those kids really that different from each other? Let’s say, hypothetically, that we could have identical twins raised separately in these situations (except the ones in Watts would appear black/hispanic and the ones in CV would appear white/asian). In fact, let’s just switch gene pools entirely between CV and Watts. Does anybody think the outcome would be different from how it is now? Would the kid with the white/asian genes turn out any different from the kids with the black/hispanic genes?

Now, I know that no one is suggesting that racial differences have anything to do with it. And neither am I. The point I’m trying to make is that it’s the environment that you grow up in that has everything to do with it. Why do the kids from Watts generally end up taking government support while the kids from Carmel Valley pay for it? If it’s not their genes, it has to be their environment. Right? It’s not because they’re lazy. And if it is, it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude.

Sure, a kid from Watts has the opportunity to make it out of the ghetto. He can get good grades. He can go to UC. He can be an accountant. But for him to do that from Watts would take a great deal more… I don’t know… rebelliousness, focus, fortitude. Self motivation. The kid from CV has his parents hounding him to do his homework and practice his violin. The kid from Watts… generally not as much. He’s much more likely to have to do it by himself. His parents aren’t really placing an emphasis on education. So your occasional special kid will make it out. But the general population is going to turn out people who are expensive to the taxpayers.

Yes, these are generalizations. Not every family in Watts doesn’t emphasize education. Not every family in CV does (At least I don’t think they do. Every family I know does). But these are probably pretty accurate generalizations. In Watts, you can avoid the gangs if you try. I’d imagine, though, for a 15-year-old boy who’s father isn’t around, it’s pretty hard. In Carmel Valley, you’d really have to go out of your way to join a gang. And if you did and your dad or, god forbid, your tiger mom found out…

So right now, I imagine the conservatives are focusing on the “And if it is (because they’re lazy), it’s because their environment encouraged that attitude” comment. And let’s go ahead and add uneducated and unskilled to lazy, because their environment produced that, as well. (Actually, lazy isn’t the exact word I’m looking for. More like “disinclined to work at a job and to take the steps necessary to contribute to society.” Which is different. But lazy is close enough, so I’ll use that.) So, at this point, you could say, “I don’t care why they’re lazy. They’re lazy. I don’t want to pay for their food stamps.” Ok, but then what happens? They’re hungry and they don’t have jobs. Doesn’t take Nostradamus to see what happens after that.

So, assuming that the same population raised in Carmel Valley will turn out differently from if it was raised in Watts, what’s the solution?

Well, it’s not to keep doing what we’re doing or to give them more free assistance. Because that’s not going to change anything and it’s going to cost a lot of money. Nonetheless, this is a view that some liberals hold. And it’s not to just say “fuck them” and hope for the best. Because, while that might save some money in the short run, it is not a viable long-term strategy. To hope that the underclass will say, “well, the jig is up. Gotta get a job now and start contributing to society” is a pipe dream. Nonetheless, this is a view that some conservatives hold.

I think the solution is (and I’ve said this before in this forum) to change their environment and their culture and their access to education. This would obviously be a difficult, expensive, and, in the case of their culture, very politically incorrect thing to attempt. But what choice do we have?[/quote]

Good post, zk. I’m also amused by the tendency of those on the conservative side to complain a lot, but they never have any viable alternatives. “Let them get sick and die on the sidewalks,” or “If they don’t have a social safety net, they’ll work harder” are not viable alternatives; there is no evidence anywhere in history that shows this type of society/economy is better than a more egalitarian and compassionate society/economy.

I think we also need to work more with whatever talents people have and begin valuing the jobs that benefit society most. Currently, some idiot who creates a company like Facebook is idolized and compensated better than a teacher, doctor, etc. Trying to force everyone into a few career categories isn’t good for our economic and social systems.

[Coronita]

…geesh…

Only 367 days left…

…couldn’t come any sooner….

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter]

Good post, zk. I’m also amused by the tendency of those on the conservative side to complain a lot, but they never have any viable alternatives. “Let them get sick and die on the sidewalks,” or “If they don’t have a social safety net, they’ll work harder” are not viable alternatives; there is no evidence anywhere in history that shows this type of society/economy is better than a more egalitarian and compassionate society/economy.
[/quote]

Lol, you folks keep equating poor = lazy? Where do you folks get that idea from?

Where did anywhere anyone say anything about poor = lazy… Plenty of “poor(er)” people are not lazy. And plenty of poor people strive every day to try to better themselves.

FWIW: if I actuall thought poor people were lazy, I don’t think I would be spending my free time doing other people’s resume, cover letters, and mock interviews for people who are unemployed. Nor would I be spending a heck of a lot of time volunteering in the public school systems.

But I am curious. When was the last time either of you tried to help just 1 complete stranger find a job?

Like I said..
Generalize much?

[joec]

[quote=flu]
Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…

And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?

Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?

Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.

Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????

Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?

Generalize much?[/quote]

Being asian myself, I think the point zk was making and what I got from reading it is that success in people’s lives have more to do with their environment and “luck” than from working hard or anything about that person to begin with. Going to a better school, being raised in CA and silicon valley, LA, etc. vs. some mid-west town where everyone married their high school sweetheart instead of going to college is a far better predictor of success than IQ tests and all that.

Based on everything I’ve learned in life so far, I’m a far bigger believer in this myself as well.

I don’t see any racial slam in zk’s message at all and didn’t get feel that was his point neither.

I feel this way because having worked in SV in the bay area and having some success with companies/start ups and IPOs, money, etc and moving to other fields and seeing what “real people” make for income/etc…and having been laid off in the past as well, until you see it yourself, people tend to generalize and have that attitude about everyone being “lazy” “bum” etc…

The point about the Watts black kid being just as smart as the CV asian kid has been proven in studies where they put economically challenged kids in a more nurturing structured environment and they do just as well as the wealthy kid.

It really has to do with their perception of what’s possible, what they experience, see, etc…This is why you have people say they want all kids to get government day care, etc…
That’s not something I’d support since we don’t have the money for it, but at birth, someone starts off way ahead in life based on the luck of what family they are born in.

I don’t doubt that if I was born from a low class family, I would certainly have done a ton worst in terms of financial and economic success. Main thing I see is I don’t really feel that driven compared to people you see from foreign countries such as India/Asia since their lives are a lot worst. I see this in TONS of native US born Americans as well. OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT EVERYONE, but the whole attitude is very different with the whining, etc in work compared to just sucking it up.

That said, eventually, the CV kid will eventually revert to the norm of the typical American and be of mediocre success.

Sorta like with EVERY, literally Asian friend/famiy I know, I see the parents helping them with their home downpayment in EVERY instance (I didn’t get that though)…It allows them to keep them in the better schools and repeat the success cycle of life. And we’re taking to the tune of 250k – 1 mil in housing purchases here…

I haven’t read this book yet, but been meaning to read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

http://gladwell.com/outliers/

”
There is a story that is usually told about extremely successful people, a story that focuses on intelligence and ambition. Gladwell argues that the true story of success is very different, and that if we want to understand how some people thrive, we should spend more time looking around them-at such things as their family, their birthplace, or even their birth date. And in revealing that hidden logic, Gladwell presents a fascinating and provocative blueprint for making the most of human potential.
”

[Coronita]

[quote=joec][quote=flu]
Ok come on zk. Lighten up…No rich or poor or middle class or whatever people got hurt last night…

And sorry, where in my joke did I mention anything about Watts and race?

Why do people like to turn every ribbing of a joke about something they don’t like to hear into race?

Last time I checked being “lazy” was a race and gender neutral thing.

Where does something unrelated race get dragged into a race issue? Or are you starting to generalize about people of certain races?????

Are people starting to ban jokes as well as guns now?

Generalize much?[/quote]

Being asian myself, I think the point zk was making and what I got from reading it is that success in people’s lives have more to do with their environment and “luck” than from working hard or anything about that person to begin with. Going to a better school, being raised in CA and silicon valley, LA, etc. vs. some mid-west town where everyone married their high school sweetheart instead of going to college is a far better predictor of success than IQ tests and all that.

Based on everything I’ve learned in life so far, I’m a far bigger believer in this myself as well.

I don’t see any racial slam in zk’s message at all and didn’t get feel that was his point neither.

I feel this way because having worked in SV in the bay area and having some success with companies/start ups and IPOs, money, etc and moving to other fields and seeing what “real people” make for income/etc…and having been laid off in the past as well, until you see it yourself, people tend to generalize and have that attitude about everyone being “lazy” “bum” etc…

The point about the Watts black kid being just as smart as the CV asian kid has been proven in studies where they put economically challenged kids in a more nurturing structured environment and they do just as well as the wealthy kid.

It really has to do with their perception of what’s possible, what they experience, see, etc…This is why you have people say they want all kids to get government day care, etc…
That’s not something I’d support since we don’t have the money for it, but at birth, someone starts off way ahead in life based on the luck of what family they are born in.

I don’t doubt that if I was born from a low class family, I would certainly have done a ton worst in terms of financial and economic success. Main thing I see is I don’t really feel that driven compared to people you see from foreign countries such as India/Asia since their lives are a lot worst. I see this in TONS of native US born Americans as well. OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT EVERYONE, but the whole attitude is very different with the whining, etc in work compared to just sucking it up.

That said, eventually, the CV kid will eventually revert to the norm of the typical American and be of mediocre success.

Sorta like with EVERY, literally Asian friend/famiy I know, I see the parents helping them with their home downpayment in EVERY instance (I didn’t get that though)…It allows them to keep them in the better schools and repeat the success cycle of life. And we’re taking to the tune of 250k – 1 mil in housing purchases here…

I haven’t read this book yet, but been meaning to read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

http://gladwell.com/outliers/

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There is a story that is usually told about extremely successful people, a story that focuses on intelligence and ambition. Gladwell argues that the true story of success is very different, and that if we want to understand how some people thrive, we should spend more time looking around them-at such things as their family, their birthplace, or even their birth date. And in revealing that hidden logic, Gladwell presents a fascinating and provocative blueprint for making the most of human potential.
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I agree part luck. The other half is effort.

Why do people keep bringing race into this thing?
Joec, why do you have to say “as an asian myself”?
Sorry, I don’t care of you’re blue it wouldn’t make a difference.

It was a frickin joke. Jesus f..ing Christ.
There… I’m not a conservative bible humper afterall.

I’m entitled to my opinion. Everyone else, you’re entitled to yours. Last time I check opinions and jokes are still protected under the Constitution, what’s left of it at least.

Look, if people what to actually do something about the poor and unemployed. Then get off your fvcking ass and go volunteer your free time and do something about it. Work hours and hours rewriting someone’s fvcking resume and cover letter, or write it for them because they don’t know that one needs to be done. And then go through a few rounds of mock interviews with them so they have a better chance at a limited job. And then IF you have free time, volunteer at your public schools for the kids that need extra help, that is even if you send your kids to a public school….

You folks are right. There are plenty of people hungry for work and deserve a shot at opportunity. Not the ones that just sit on their ass all day just saying “we should tax people more, you go do it please..”

Not that people’s taxes are really going up *that* much. Considering this administration just like the previous administration is basically rewarding the rich and well off ANYWAY with low interest loans that only well qualified people can get, and re-inflating dirt cheap assets from 2009 all the way back up to pre-bubble levels now in 2013. So contrary, to opinions, I think things are going just swell, not that I’m a big proponent of what everyone else seems to want…

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