OT: FOX News and the oil blowout

[briansd1]

[quote=ucodegen]

Yes, as a consumer of the oil industry, I’m farther removed from the oil industry; so I have more leeway to criticize the oil industry than a government employee or contractor criticizing the hand that feeds.

Non-sequitur, does not follow, nor is it supported by facts presented or at hand.

From a standpoint of supporting an industry, a consumer is much more important that an employee. There has to be someone to sell the goods to.[/quote]

Well, you’re entitled your opinion.

But I still stand by my statement.

I was told a)
[quote=waiting for bottom]
How can anyone that drives a car criticize efforts to find more oil? Hilarious

Quit driving or shut your yap, jack.[/quote]

In return, I said

b) “don’t be a direct beneficiary of government spending if you want to complain about government spending.”

I don’t believe that one should not criticize, period. But if one wants me to live by a) then one should live by b). Otherwise, criticize away.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist] He is a Chicago thug and thugs do not use olive branches. He offered an olive branch to the Republicans, like Hitler did to the Jews. You are full of crap, Brian. You are blinded by your stupid ideology and cannot see Obama for who he really is. You are just as stupid as the German people who thought Hitler was their savior.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
While I take your point about the Dems being very individualistic as a party, I also think Obama never figured out how to get them to cohere as a broad-based coalition seeking common goals (the lack of statesmanship that West lamented) and I think the promise he offered to the great swathe of middle class America evaporated after his election, and people came to see that the sweeping oratory was just that: Words.[/quote]

It’s interesting to compare and contrast the statement from Zeit and the Allan.

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Allan made an interesting statement and I think that there is truth to it. Yes, he has disappointed a lot of people, including me. But I still prefer him to the Republican alternatives, and that’s why I support him.

The more interesting question is if one never believed in Obama’s ideas and promises to begin with, then why is one lambasting him for not fully delivering on his campaign promises. One should rejoice.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist] He is a Chicago thug and thugs do not use olive branches. He offered an olive branch to the Republicans, like Hitler did to the Jews. You are full of crap, Brian. You are blinded by your stupid ideology and cannot see Obama for who he really is. You are just as stupid as the German people who thought Hitler was their savior.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
While I take your point about the Dems being very individualistic as a party, I also think Obama never figured out how to get them to cohere as a broad-based coalition seeking common goals (the lack of statesmanship that West lamented) and I think the promise he offered to the great swathe of middle class America evaporated after his election, and people came to see that the sweeping oratory was just that: Words.[/quote]

It’s interesting to compare and contrast the statement from Zeit and the Allan.

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Allan made an interesting statement and I think that there is truth to it. Yes, he has disappointed a lot of people, including me. But I still prefer him to the Republican alternatives, and that’s why I support him.

The more interesting question is if one never believed in Obama’s ideas and promises to begin with, then why is one lambasting him for not fully delivering on his campaign promises. One should rejoice.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist] He is a Chicago thug and thugs do not use olive branches. He offered an olive branch to the Republicans, like Hitler did to the Jews. You are full of crap, Brian. You are blinded by your stupid ideology and cannot see Obama for who he really is. You are just as stupid as the German people who thought Hitler was their savior.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
While I take your point about the Dems being very individualistic as a party, I also think Obama never figured out how to get them to cohere as a broad-based coalition seeking common goals (the lack of statesmanship that West lamented) and I think the promise he offered to the great swathe of middle class America evaporated after his election, and people came to see that the sweeping oratory was just that: Words.[/quote]

It’s interesting to compare and contrast the statement from Zeit and the Allan.

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Allan made an interesting statement and I think that there is truth to it. Yes, he has disappointed a lot of people, including me. But I still prefer him to the Republican alternatives, and that’s why I support him.

The more interesting question is if one never believed in Obama’s ideas and promises to begin with, then why is one lambasting him for not fully delivering on his campaign promises. One should rejoice.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist] He is a Chicago thug and thugs do not use olive branches. He offered an olive branch to the Republicans, like Hitler did to the Jews. You are full of crap, Brian. You are blinded by your stupid ideology and cannot see Obama for who he really is. You are just as stupid as the German people who thought Hitler was their savior.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
While I take your point about the Dems being very individualistic as a party, I also think Obama never figured out how to get them to cohere as a broad-based coalition seeking common goals (the lack of statesmanship that West lamented) and I think the promise he offered to the great swathe of middle class America evaporated after his election, and people came to see that the sweeping oratory was just that: Words.[/quote]

It’s interesting to compare and contrast the statement from Zeit and the Allan.

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Allan made an interesting statement and I think that there is truth to it. Yes, he has disappointed a lot of people, including me. But I still prefer him to the Republican alternatives, and that’s why I support him.

The more interesting question is if one never believed in Obama’s ideas and promises to begin with, then why is one lambasting him for not fully delivering on his campaign promises. One should rejoice.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist] He is a Chicago thug and thugs do not use olive branches. He offered an olive branch to the Republicans, like Hitler did to the Jews. You are full of crap, Brian. You are blinded by your stupid ideology and cannot see Obama for who he really is. You are just as stupid as the German people who thought Hitler was their savior.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
While I take your point about the Dems being very individualistic as a party, I also think Obama never figured out how to get them to cohere as a broad-based coalition seeking common goals (the lack of statesmanship that West lamented) and I think the promise he offered to the great swathe of middle class America evaporated after his election, and people came to see that the sweeping oratory was just that: Words.[/quote]

It’s interesting to compare and contrast the statement from Zeit and the Allan.

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Allan made an interesting statement and I think that there is truth to it. Yes, he has disappointed a lot of people, including me. But I still prefer him to the Republican alternatives, and that’s why I support him.

The more interesting question is if one never believed in Obama’s ideas and promises to begin with, then why is one lambasting him for not fully delivering on his campaign promises. One should rejoice.

[ucodegen]

Now this really chafes my hide.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Particularly the paragraph:

Suttles and other officials said that the “top kill” attempt to stop the flow did so — but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape.

Once you get the flow killed by pumping, you should start putting more viscous material in followed by concrete until you can’t pump it. You don’t stand back and admire your handiwork, particularly at those well-head pressures. These pressures can displace material unless it is bonds to the drill hole.

It seems to strengthen my opinion of BPs approach. They really don’t want to kill the well – they would have to write off the $Ms that they spent on drilling the hole. Instead, they want to put some sort of ‘cover’ that allows them to capture the oil. Their ‘new’ approach looks just like the previous ‘caps’ they tried, but with a different name: “lower marine riser package”.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package “should be able to capture most of the oil” that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a “tight mechanical seal.”

[ucodegen]

Now this really chafes my hide.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Particularly the paragraph:

Suttles and other officials said that the “top kill” attempt to stop the flow did so — but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape.

Once you get the flow killed by pumping, you should start putting more viscous material in followed by concrete until you can’t pump it. You don’t stand back and admire your handiwork, particularly at those well-head pressures. These pressures can displace material unless it is bonds to the drill hole.

It seems to strengthen my opinion of BPs approach. They really don’t want to kill the well – they would have to write off the $Ms that they spent on drilling the hole. Instead, they want to put some sort of ‘cover’ that allows them to capture the oil. Their ‘new’ approach looks just like the previous ‘caps’ they tried, but with a different name: “lower marine riser package”.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package “should be able to capture most of the oil” that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a “tight mechanical seal.”

[ucodegen]

Now this really chafes my hide.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Particularly the paragraph:

Suttles and other officials said that the “top kill” attempt to stop the flow did so — but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape.

Once you get the flow killed by pumping, you should start putting more viscous material in followed by concrete until you can’t pump it. You don’t stand back and admire your handiwork, particularly at those well-head pressures. These pressures can displace material unless it is bonds to the drill hole.

It seems to strengthen my opinion of BPs approach. They really don’t want to kill the well – they would have to write off the $Ms that they spent on drilling the hole. Instead, they want to put some sort of ‘cover’ that allows them to capture the oil. Their ‘new’ approach looks just like the previous ‘caps’ they tried, but with a different name: “lower marine riser package”.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package “should be able to capture most of the oil” that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a “tight mechanical seal.”

[ucodegen]

Now this really chafes my hide.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Particularly the paragraph:

Suttles and other officials said that the “top kill” attempt to stop the flow did so — but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape.

Once you get the flow killed by pumping, you should start putting more viscous material in followed by concrete until you can’t pump it. You don’t stand back and admire your handiwork, particularly at those well-head pressures. These pressures can displace material unless it is bonds to the drill hole.

It seems to strengthen my opinion of BPs approach. They really don’t want to kill the well – they would have to write off the $Ms that they spent on drilling the hole. Instead, they want to put some sort of ‘cover’ that allows them to capture the oil. Their ‘new’ approach looks just like the previous ‘caps’ they tried, but with a different name: “lower marine riser package”.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package “should be able to capture most of the oil” that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a “tight mechanical seal.”

[ucodegen]

Now this really chafes my hide.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Particularly the paragraph:

Suttles and other officials said that the “top kill” attempt to stop the flow did so — but only as long as they were pumping. When the pumping stopped, the oil resumed its escape.

Once you get the flow killed by pumping, you should start putting more viscous material in followed by concrete until you can’t pump it. You don’t stand back and admire your handiwork, particularly at those well-head pressures. These pressures can displace material unless it is bonds to the drill hole.

It seems to strengthen my opinion of BPs approach. They really don’t want to kill the well – they would have to write off the $Ms that they spent on drilling the hole. Instead, they want to put some sort of ‘cover’ that allows them to capture the oil. Their ‘new’ approach looks just like the previous ‘caps’ they tried, but with a different name: “lower marine riser package”.

Suttles said the lower marine riser package “should be able to capture most of the oil” that has fed what is now the largest oil spill in U.S. history, but he cautioned that the new cap will not provide a “tight mechanical seal.”

[ucodegen]

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Actually, he did a fairly good job of that on the health bill, with the assistance of Pelosi. I think now, the other Democrats are re-thinking what happened and are realizing that their ‘job’ may be in jeopardy as a result of their vote.

[ucodegen]

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Actually, he did a fairly good job of that on the health bill, with the assistance of Pelosi. I think now, the other Democrats are re-thinking what happened and are realizing that their ‘job’ may be in jeopardy as a result of their vote.

[ucodegen]

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Actually, he did a fairly good job of that on the health bill, with the assistance of Pelosi. I think now, the other Democrats are re-thinking what happened and are realizing that their ‘job’ may be in jeopardy as a result of their vote.

[ucodegen]

If Obama, were a thug, as Zeit claims, then he would have all the Democrats fall neatly in line behind him.

Actually, he did a fairly good job of that on the health bill, with the assistance of Pelosi. I think now, the other Democrats are re-thinking what happened and are realizing that their ‘job’ may be in jeopardy as a result of their vote.

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