OT: Dalai Lama

[moneymaker]

Went to hear him speak the other day and was amazed by 2 things I heard. In a preview of National Geographic program he said he was not the same spirit as the 13th Dalai Lama, and also that he thought it would be a good idea to move the UN to Moscow. Peace has not seemed to work in his peoples favor, so unlike Ghandi and Martin Luther King, peaceful resistance has not seemed to work. Perhaps there is still hope, I would love to see the day that he could return to Tibet without fear of the Chinese government, before that could happen I think the Chinese government would have to change radically. Perhaps he could make a pilgrimage home while being protected by UN troops.

[scaredyclassic]

it was too hot.

started an hour late even though dl wakes up at 3 am.

all in all, i couldnt really make any sense of his message.

the chinese student protestors i could hear sound like they havent been properly indoctrinated by the liberal arts faculty. maybe we are not reallyopening up foreigner minds to opposing viewpoints .

sure does seem like a prime example of the benefits of being armed to the teeth. if tibet could get a do over with lots of us arms sales in the late 40s…knowing what they know now….id urge them to load up on bombs and land mine the perimeter. kill every last invader…give every man woman and child a gun and fight to the death.

videoscreen said:

The Dalai Lama is fascinated by science and has said that if he had not become a monk, he would have become an engineer.

[ocrenter]

The guy is 82…

Despite his title, some cognitive decline has to be present.

Did they subtitle the whole thing? I wonder if there’s a transcript from the speech.

As for the Chinese students, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Tibetans yet they feel their rights are infringed upon.

The extreme nationalism and absolute indignation toward anything against their indoctrinated viewpoint should scare anyone. The fact that China’s best and brightest thinkers are out there showing off the fruit of that brainwashing should frighten you to no end.

This is what will replace America in a few decades? You think Nazi Germany was bad? Oh boy…

[moneymaker]

Here is link to speech going on now http://fox5sandiego.com/2017/06/17/dalai-lama-delivers-keynote-commencement-address-at-uc-san-diego/

[mixxalot]

I agree the Chicoms did great evil to the Tibetan people and priests for no good reason whatsoever. It is truly frightening how mind control many of them are from mainland China. On the other hand, friends from Singapore and Taiwan are fantastic and do not have the hardcore red commie mindset.

[ocrenter]

[quote=mixxalot]I agree the Chicoms did great evil to the Tibetan people and priests for no good reason whatsoever. It is truly frightening how mind control many of them are from mainland China. On the other hand, friends from Singapore and Taiwan are fantastic and do not have the hardcore red commie mindset.[/quote]

Not quite sure I get your point.

Friends from Singapore are Singaporeans.

Friends from Taiwan are Taiwanese.

What do Singaporeans and Taiwanese have to do with China?

[Anonymous]

[quote=ocrenter]As for the Chinese students, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Tibetans yet they feel their rights are infringed upon.[/quote]

As for the Americans, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Iraqis yet they feel they are the victims of terrorism.

[quote]The extreme nationalism and absolute indignation toward anything against their indoctrinated viewpoint should scare anyone.[/quote]
Yep.

[ocrenter]

[quote=harvey][quote=ocrenter]As for the Chinese students, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Tibetans yet they feel their rights are infringed upon.[/quote]

As for the Americans, the brainwashing runs deep into their core. They invaded and slaughtered the Iraqis yet they feel they are the victims of terrorism.

[quote]The extreme nationalism and absolute indignation toward anything against their indoctrinated viewpoint should scare anyone.[/quote]
Yep.[/quote]

Quite trying to compare the two.

One system actually allows for you to say what you just said.

Under the other system you would be hearing a knock on the door by now.

[Anonymous]

[quote=ocrenter]Quite trying to compare the two.

One system actually allows for you to say what you just said.

Under the other system you would be hearing a knock on the door by now.[/quote]

Your post was about “brainwashing” and how it is used to rationalize the conquest of other countries.

And on that subject I absolutely will compare “the two:” Both the US and China have a lot of blood on their hands.

One of the defining themes of American history is the use of military force to gain territory and resources. China’s annexation of Tibet is only comparable to maybe one of our smaller wars that most Americans today never even know about.

As for personal freedoms, yeah we’ve got China beat by a longshot on that one. But I still don’t see the US giving California back to Mexico anytime soon.

[ocrenter]

[quote=harvey][quote=ocrenter]Quite trying to compare the two.

One system actually allows for you to say what you just said.

Under the other system you would be hearing a knock on the door by now.[/quote]

Your post was about “brainwashing” and how it is used to rationalize the conquest of other countries.

And on that subject I absolutely will compare “the two:” Both the US and China have a lot of blood on their hands.

One of the defining themes of American history is the use of military force to gain territory and resources. China’s annexation of Tibet is only comparable to maybe one of our smaller wars that most Americans today never even know about.

As for personal freedoms, yeah we’ve got China beat by a longshot on that one. But I still don’t see the US giving California back to Mexico anytime soon.[/quote]

Personal freedom and protection of basic rights including speech is huge when you make these comparisons.

These freedoms allow for opposition to the policies you are complaining about.

Of course the Iraq war was unjust and wrong, and most Americans would agree this was a major blunder. This would not happen in China, where discussions of prior errors and mistakes are strictly prohibited. Remember that if you ever try to type in June 4th on Bidu in China.

Of course large amount of American land came under control through force and underhanded dealings, but can you imagine the same methodology employed by an authoritarian country without opposing viewpoints operating under the premise that the world has done it wrong and regional hegemony is the only way to right that wrong?

America is by no means innocent and altruistic, but I would simply caution about your fanboy crush on China.

[ocrenter]

[quote=harvey] But I still don’t see the US giving California back to Mexico anytime soon.[/quote]

As for this.

Why don’t you find all of the descendents of Californians back when the US annexed CA and put them to a vote. How many of them would like CA to become Alta California, the 32nd state of Mexico?

If you do the same with Tibetans, I can guarantee you how they’ll vote.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=ocrenter]
Why don’t you find all of the descendents of Californians back when the US annexed CA and put them to a vote. How many of them would like CA to become Alta California, the 32nd state of Mexico?

If you do the same with Tibetans, I can guarantee you how they’ll vote.[/quote]

ocrenter, the residents of California back then were hounded to sell their properties, more often than not at gunpoint.

Why don’t you give China 200 more years in Tibet? By that time highspeed trains will crisscross the region and high rise condo in Lhasa will be worth more than houses in middle America.

I haven’t been to Tibet yet, but I have been to Xinjiang. The local Uyghur people don’t particularly care for Chinese rule but they prefer the prosperity of China over next door kazhakstan. There are gleaming new airports and developments thanks to China. Urumqi airport is better than San Diego’s, Carrefour hypermakets and plenty of consumer goods. And the uyghurs benefit from autonomous laws such as the right to carry knives on their belts, and affirmative action admissions to China’s top universities.

[ocrenter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

ocrenter, the residents of California back then were hounded to sell their properties, more often than not at gunpoint.

Why don’t you give China 200 more years in Tibet? By that time highspeed trains will crisscross the region and high rise condo in Lhasa will be worth more than houses in middle America.

[/quote]

Just because America did it does not mean China can do it now. This is classic Chinese rhetoric. Every time there’s another Uyghur arrest, or another report of discrimination, or statistic of economic apartheid, China just simply repeat the same argument you are posing: “well you guys did it years ago too.”

btw, I agree, give China a few more years and Tibet would be fully integrated. Potala Palace in Lhasa would still be there, but I doubt Tibetan would even be spoken and I doubt you can even tell a “Tibetan” apart from a Han Chinese anymore. The assimilation process and the complete destruction of thousand year plus civilization would be fully complete. You want to give China more time to complete the process?

[quote=FlyerInHi]

I haven’t been to Tibet yet, but I have been to Xinjiang. The local Uyghur people don’t particularly care for Chinese rule but they prefer the prosperity of China over next door kazhakstan. There are gleaming new airports and developments thanks to China. Urumqi airport is better than San Diego’s, Carrefour hypermakets and plenty of consumer goods. And the uyghurs benefit from autonomous laws such as the right to carry knives on their belts, and affirmative action admissions to China’s top universities.[/quote]

Your understanding of the world is so skin deep. Did you really just say the subjugation of 10 million people, the systematic suppression of their language, the outright discrimination and frequent jailing without charges are all ok because there’s a shiny new airport, a few Carrefour, and there’s a written policy for affirmative action?

China actually arranged a full last minute tourist boycott of an entire city just because somewhere within that city there was a film festival where a Uyghur film was being featured. This is the extent of the media crackdown.

As for the Uyghurs and where they get their inspirations. East Turkestan independence movement started gaining momentum primarily due to Kazakhstan’s independence. That’s when China cracked down even more and started transporting even more Han Chinese migrants to Xinjiang.

you are essentially turning a blind eye to all of the human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing and assimilation policies as well as environmental destruction happening all over China. When did you become part of their on-line 50 cent army?

[scaredyclassic]

free tibet.

[ocrenter]

[quote=scaredyclassic]free tibet.[/quote]

Not according to Brian. I think he was protesting the Dalai Lama along with the Chinese students.

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