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December 29, 2016 at 9:34 PM #804698December 29, 2016 at 9:51 PM #804699
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GuestArgue with a fool and the world will not see the difference.
One thing we know for sure:
CA Renter definitely has no clue who Tyler Durden is.
December 30, 2016 at 2:26 PM #804697zk
Participant[quote=CA renter]ZK, you really need to look in the mirror. You’re projecting your weaknesses onto others.[/quote]
I challenge you to back up what you say (about ad hominem attacks) and you can’t, so you attack me (and with the “adult” version of “I know you are but what am I,” no less). Isn’t that exactly what I (and others) have been saying you do? And somehow this helps your case?
September 7, 2017 at 12:32 PM #807828gogogosandiego
ParticipantThe Fake Americans Russia Created to Influence the Election
The Russian information attack on the election did not stop with the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails or the fire hose of stories, true, false and in between, that battered Mrs. Clinton on Russian outlets like RT and Sputnik. Far less splashy, and far more difficult to trace, was Russia’s experimentation on Facebook and Twitter, the American companies that essentially invented the tools of social media and, in this case, did not stop them from being turned into engines of deception and propaganda.
An investigation by The New York Times, and new research from the cybersecurity firm FireEye, reveals some of the mechanisms by which suspected Russian operators used Twitter and Facebook to spread anti-Clinton messages and promote the hacked material they had leaked. On Wednesday, Facebook officials disclosed that they had shut down several hundred accounts that they believe were created by a Russian company linked to the Kremlin and used to buy $100,000 in ads pushing divisive issues during and after the American election campaign.
On Twitter, as on Facebook, Russian fingerprints are on hundreds or thousands of fake accounts that regularly posted anti-Clinton messages. Many were automated Twitter accounts, called bots, that sometimes fired off identical messages seconds apart — and in the exact alphabetical order of their made-up names, according to the FireEye researchers. On Election Day, for instance, they found that one group of Twitter bots sent out the hashtag #WarAgainstDemocrats more than 1,700 times.
Russia has been quite open about playing its hacking card. In February last year, at a conference in Moscow, a top cyberintelligence adviser to President Vladimir V. Putin hinted that Russia was about to unleash a devastating information attack on the United States.
“We are living in 1948,” said the adviser, Andrey Krutskikh, referring to the eve of the first Soviet atomic bomb test, in a speech reported by The Washington Post. “I’m warning you: We are at the verge of having something in the information arena that will allow to us to talk to the Americans as equals.”
February 7, 2018 at 12:03 AM #809197CA renter
ParticipantAh, I see that pri’s pocket poster made another visit in September.
‘Russians Bots’ Is Latest Smear Campaign Against Sanders Progressives
BTW, a $100,000 advertising budget on FB won’t even win you a city council race in a podunk town. And most of those ads never even mentioned a candidate, with many of those “ads” being videos of puppies, kittens, etc.
Here are some of the most salacious “ads” on Facebook:
I also happen to know the person who started the “Russian bot on FB” myth and can confirm that he was lying about his credentials (he was never an admin on any of the FB pages he mentions in his stories) and his entire story has been refuted by the actual admins of the FB groups and pages that he cited as being “overrun by Russian bots.”
‘Russians Bots’ Is Latest Smear Campaign Against Sanders Progressives
February 7, 2018 at 2:19 AM #809198ParticipantHere’s some investigative news about the anonymous (and, at the time, brand-new) organization that got front-page coverage on the Washington Post. This is the organization that sparked the “fake news” narrative.
Our FB pages and groups were inundated with their spam when they went live.
By George Eliason
A little over a year ago, the deep state graced the world with PropOrNot. Thanks to them, 2017 became the year of fake news. Every news website and opinion column now had the potential to be linked to the Steele dossier and Trump collusion with Russia. Every journalist was either “with us or against us.” Anyone who challenged the Russiagate narrative became Russia’s trolls.
Unpacking the Shadowy Outfit Behind 2017’s Biggest Fake News Story
February 7, 2018 at 2:23 AM #809199ParticipantAs to the story of “Russian hacking” of the DNC’s servers…
The DNC refused to turn over their server(s) to the FBI and other intelligence agencies when they discovered their server(s) were hacked. Instead, they hired a private company, CrowdStrike, to do the research. The DNC paid this company to say what the DNC wanted them to say. It is this company’s reports and conclusions that the intelligence agencies have relied on to determine that “the Russians did it.”
Dmitri Alperovitch is the CTO and one of the co-founders of CrowdStrike. “Dmitri Alperovitch is a nonresident senior fellow with the Cyber Statecraft Initiative at the Atlantic Council’s Brent Scowcroft Center on International Security.”
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/people/dmitri-alperovitch
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/experts/list/dmitri-alperovitch
From Wikipedia:
“The Atlantic Council is a think tank in the field of international affairs. Founded in 1961, it provides a forum for international political, business, and intellectual leaders. It manages ten regional centers and functional programs related to international security and global economic prosperity. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.
It is a member of the Atlantic Treaty Association.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council
The Atlantic Council is a staunchly globalist, capitalist, pro-Western, pro-NATO think tank. They are very anti-Russian (that’s essentially why they were founded).
There is no way anyone could describe CrowdStrike as a neutral source of information regarding “Russian hacking.”
February 7, 2018 at 8:50 AM #809202GuestFebruary 8, 2018 at 2:58 PM #809228ucodegen
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February 8, 2018 at 3:10 PM #809227Participant[quote=zk][quote=CA renter]
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-17/real-meaning-1-year-anniversary-occupy-wall-street
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That article is your defense of ZH?
Wow. You’re kind of making my point for me.[/quote]
Really.. just saw these comments. I don’t know why the segment was not showing up on the ‘active’ for me back then. BTW, you might want to reconsider wrt DoD considering protests as low-level terrorism – see this – a warning by ACLU to DoD, and ZeroHedge was publishing it while MSM was largely silent.
https://www.aclu.org/files/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf
Which brings me to the question: What is the real purpose of the First Amendment? To know about what each ‘media star’ is doing in their personal life and how well they ‘twerk’, or what may run against the intents of the founders of this nation and the will of the people. Enslavement can easily be accomplished by progressive marginalization of rights, much like a frog an be fried by by slowly bringing up the temperature of the pan till its too late.
Personally I prefer too much ‘noise’ to someone autocratically deciding what is propaganda and what is not.
February 8, 2018 at 4:05 PM #809230Guest“Enslavement” lol.
February 8, 2018 at 6:39 PM #809233Participant[quote=harvey]”Enslavement” lol.[/quote]
Taking an extreme point – what would you call the life of the North Koreans. The North Korean government has complete control of their press – with their propaganda machines continually running overtime. What or who determines for them, what is “fake news”? (rhetorical question really – Korean Central Broadcasting System).The underlying point is that a free press is truly required for a free society. Here are some nice reads: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press
It is easy to try to mock what I said about enslavement, however history has shown that controlling people’s access to information – even with the intent of ‘protecting’ the people, actually leads to unnecessary reduction in the people’s freedoms. When taken to far, that actually does become enslavement. One needs to be careful of why something is being ‘censored’, and if it is really justified.
February 8, 2018 at 8:14 PM #809234GuestI’ve been a card-carrying member of the ACLU for more than a decade. (Yes, I literally carry the card.) I get why we have a Bill of Rights and actively work to support it. So here’s how it works:
1st Amendment protects the speech of US residents.
It doesn’t protect foreign governments.
If you really are worried about creeping totalitarianism, I suggest you look toward president “let’s have a military parade.”
February 8, 2018 at 10:13 PM #809235Participant[quote=harvey]
1st Amendment protects the speech of US residents.It doesn’t protect foreign governments.
[/quote]That is where it kind of gets interesting.. some of the protections of the constitution have been extended to non-citizens as well as non-residents via Supreme Court. Non-residents and non-citizens which happen to be citizens of foreign nations. At this point, we need to be careful of any attempt to pick and choose which.
While I agree that foreign govs. should not be afforded the same freedom, I also realize that much that is not good can be maneuvered under the umbrella of protecting against the acts of that foreign gov. (ie. like North Korea claiming that the US and just about everyone else is out to get them — so they must censor their public from seeing life outside of North Korea). It is a matter of degree.. but how much is healthy? And how much of ‘Trust Me’ from the government leads to being blindly lead?
Some are whigs, liberals, democrats, call them what you please. Others are tories, serviles, aristocrats, &c. The latter fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society; the former consider the people as the safest depository of power in the last resort; they cherish them therefore, and wish to leave in them all the powers to the exercise of which they are competent
— Jeffersons comment to William Short
Ironically, sometimes I feel that the current democrats/liberals have traded places with the former tories due to their wish of more government control. Sounds almost like how some feel that the ‘despicables’ shouldn’t have a right to vote.Think of this.. how much over-reach has occurred through the Patriot Act, and how much has the Constitution been trampled on under the guise of protecting the citizens of the US. How much have we actually been protected? How much has been swept under the rug as ‘secret’, ‘top secret’ which is really just ’embarassing’ or ‘awkward’ to the current or previous administrations. Classifications only intent was to protect the nation and its people – not politicians and governmental 3 lettered administrations from scrutiny. The other question might also be, how much has this also been the justification to use military force to potentially benefit certain companies at the expense of other nations and potentially the lives of citizens of other nations.
As for the gov’s “Trust Me”, I prefer to trust but always be able to verify.
February 9, 2018 at 6:50 AM #809236Guest[quote=ucodegen][quote=harvey]
1st Amendment protects the speech of US residents.It doesn’t protect foreign governments.
[/quote]That is where it kind of gets interesting.. some of the protections of the constitution have been extended to non-citizens as well as non-residents via Supreme Court. Non-residents and non-citizens which happen to be citizens of foreign nations.
[/quote]Lol, that’s complete bullshit.
You’re clearly more concerned about the imaginary First Amendment rights of Vladimir Putin than you are about a real US president that tells the American people that we can only trust the White House as source of information.
They’ve got you. Hook, line, sinker.
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