ot: Bin laden is dead

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy. With what William McNeill’s calls The Care and Repair of Public Myth. It’s seen as necessary for a functional society – which there is an element of truth to that.

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I would agree with ever-present conspiring. We could call it systemic survival.

Sure, the people within the establishment will do what it takes to perpetuate that establishment.

The military wants periodic wars, the cops need criminals, the prison guards want more prisoners, car-makers want more drivers, etc… everything is self-reinforcing.

Even within a family, despite some infighting or disagreements, the members will act with self-perservation in mind.

America will do what it takes to preserve our world dominance. Nothing wrong with that. That’s why there should be continuity in foreign policy, and politics should stop at the water’s edge; so we can maximize our foreign policy efforts.

Self-preservation and organizational growth automatically create some unspoken rules by which to operate. But I doubt very much that TPTB have the wherewithal, time and organizational structure to fix every single event.

Certain things happen at random. Then those events can be capitalized upon, spun, or acted upon, to further some purposes, or not.

It’s also interesting to note that the “conspiring” can be self-destructive. For example the “conspiring” of all the special interest groups to strenghten their own benefits is weakening our country as a whole. There aren’t “super conspirators” keeping all the special interest groups in line so that we remain the world’s super power.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha]. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly.[/quote]

I did not suggest it. I mentioned it was what was suggested. I thought it to be a possibility. Less so now, but honestly, I haven’t thought it through yet. I certainly don’t think I was insane for thinking it. Not with his propaganda value. I may very well have been wrong, which I am often, and I am ok with that. It would not change my mind about the machinations of power and the theater that goes along with it, though.

[quote=captcha]
Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? [/quote]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. But, I don’t think Obama decides much. The system runs the president not the other way around. The “war on terror” is the public rationale, but pre-planned, geo-strategic aims are the real reason for being in the ME, that have little to do with stopping terrorist attacks. That’s just a side business that feeds into the propaganda arm of the war.

[quote=captcha]
What would a published photo prove to you?/quote]

I’m not sure.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha]. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly.[/quote]

I did not suggest it. I mentioned it was what was suggested. I thought it to be a possibility. Less so now, but honestly, I haven’t thought it through yet. I certainly don’t think I was insane for thinking it. Not with his propaganda value. I may very well have been wrong, which I am often, and I am ok with that. It would not change my mind about the machinations of power and the theater that goes along with it, though.

[quote=captcha]
Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? [/quote]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. But, I don’t think Obama decides much. The system runs the president not the other way around. The “war on terror” is the public rationale, but pre-planned, geo-strategic aims are the real reason for being in the ME, that have little to do with stopping terrorist attacks. That’s just a side business that feeds into the propaganda arm of the war.

[quote=captcha]
What would a published photo prove to you?/quote]

I’m not sure.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha]. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly.[/quote]

I did not suggest it. I mentioned it was what was suggested. I thought it to be a possibility. Less so now, but honestly, I haven’t thought it through yet. I certainly don’t think I was insane for thinking it. Not with his propaganda value. I may very well have been wrong, which I am often, and I am ok with that. It would not change my mind about the machinations of power and the theater that goes along with it, though.

[quote=captcha]
Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? [/quote]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. But, I don’t think Obama decides much. The system runs the president not the other way around. The “war on terror” is the public rationale, but pre-planned, geo-strategic aims are the real reason for being in the ME, that have little to do with stopping terrorist attacks. That’s just a side business that feeds into the propaganda arm of the war.

[quote=captcha]
What would a published photo prove to you?/quote]

I’m not sure.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha]. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly.[/quote]

I did not suggest it. I mentioned it was what was suggested. I thought it to be a possibility. Less so now, but honestly, I haven’t thought it through yet. I certainly don’t think I was insane for thinking it. Not with his propaganda value. I may very well have been wrong, which I am often, and I am ok with that. It would not change my mind about the machinations of power and the theater that goes along with it, though.

[quote=captcha]
Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? [/quote]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. But, I don’t think Obama decides much. The system runs the president not the other way around. The “war on terror” is the public rationale, but pre-planned, geo-strategic aims are the real reason for being in the ME, that have little to do with stopping terrorist attacks. That’s just a side business that feeds into the propaganda arm of the war.

[quote=captcha]
What would a published photo prove to you?/quote]

I’m not sure.

[Arraya]

[quote=captcha]. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly.[/quote]

I did not suggest it. I mentioned it was what was suggested. I thought it to be a possibility. Less so now, but honestly, I haven’t thought it through yet. I certainly don’t think I was insane for thinking it. Not with his propaganda value. I may very well have been wrong, which I am often, and I am ok with that. It would not change my mind about the machinations of power and the theater that goes along with it, though.

[quote=captcha]
Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? [/quote]

Not quite sure what you are saying here. But, I don’t think Obama decides much. The system runs the president not the other way around. The “war on terror” is the public rationale, but pre-planned, geo-strategic aims are the real reason for being in the ME, that have little to do with stopping terrorist attacks. That’s just a side business that feeds into the propaganda arm of the war.

[quote=captcha]
What would a published photo prove to you?/quote]

I’m not sure.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy.
[/quote]

I believe that the most vast and most perverse of all ever-present conspiracies aimed at public perception molding and mass psychology is religion.

Religion keeps the masses entertained and distracted while the conspirators are free to act as they wish.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy.
[/quote]

I believe that the most vast and most perverse of all ever-present conspiracies aimed at public perception molding and mass psychology is religion.

Religion keeps the masses entertained and distracted while the conspirators are free to act as they wish.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy.
[/quote]

I believe that the most vast and most perverse of all ever-present conspiracies aimed at public perception molding and mass psychology is religion.

Religion keeps the masses entertained and distracted while the conspirators are free to act as they wish.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy.
[/quote]

I believe that the most vast and most perverse of all ever-present conspiracies aimed at public perception molding and mass psychology is religion.

Religion keeps the masses entertained and distracted while the conspirators are free to act as they wish.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]

So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy.
[/quote]

I believe that the most vast and most perverse of all ever-present conspiracies aimed at public perception molding and mass psychology is religion.

Religion keeps the masses entertained and distracted while the conspirators are free to act as they wish.

[NotCranky]

I don’t expect lots of large longstanding conspiracies except a consiracy to hold power. It plays out with a lot of baiting weaknesses, lies/spin, rabble rousing, demoralizing and other typical propaganda(you might throw the religious beat downs in there). “Patriotism” is the biggest abuse of all. People call bin laden a coward, and he might be, but what about the Clintons,the Bushes and Obama, where have they ever proved that they are not “cowards”?

[NotCranky]

I don’t expect lots of large longstanding conspiracies except a consiracy to hold power. It plays out with a lot of baiting weaknesses, lies/spin, rabble rousing, demoralizing and other typical propaganda(you might throw the religious beat downs in there). “Patriotism” is the biggest abuse of all. People call bin laden a coward, and he might be, but what about the Clintons,the Bushes and Obama, where have they ever proved that they are not “cowards”?

[NotCranky]

I don’t expect lots of large longstanding conspiracies except a consiracy to hold power. It plays out with a lot of baiting weaknesses, lies/spin, rabble rousing, demoralizing and other typical propaganda(you might throw the religious beat downs in there). “Patriotism” is the biggest abuse of all. People call bin laden a coward, and he might be, but what about the Clintons,the Bushes and Obama, where have they ever proved that they are not “cowards”?

[NotCranky]

I don’t expect lots of large longstanding conspiracies except a consiracy to hold power. It plays out with a lot of baiting weaknesses, lies/spin, rabble rousing, demoralizing and other typical propaganda(you might throw the religious beat downs in there). “Patriotism” is the biggest abuse of all. People call bin laden a coward, and he might be, but what about the Clintons,the Bushes and Obama, where have they ever proved that they are not “cowards”?

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