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May 4, 2011 at 4:28 PM #693502May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM #692417
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ParticipantThe fact that the US government is sponsoring various groups through time-space continuum is not a secret. Serbian ‘revolutionaries’ from y2k were receiving training in Budapest. Then moved on to consult in Ukraine and Egipt. Before that there were Iran, Chile, etc. I am not saying that every policy is debated in blogosphere before it is persued. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly. Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? And they all feel great about what’s going on right now, so they will keep quiet? What would a published photo prove to you? Like you could tell it’s not Osama because he does not have the birthmark that you remember seeing the last time you met him?
May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM #692493ParticipantThe fact that the US government is sponsoring various groups through time-space continuum is not a secret. Serbian ‘revolutionaries’ from y2k were receiving training in Budapest. Then moved on to consult in Ukraine and Egipt. Before that there were Iran, Chile, etc. I am not saying that every policy is debated in blogosphere before it is persued. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly. Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? And they all feel great about what’s going on right now, so they will keep quiet? What would a published photo prove to you? Like you could tell it’s not Osama because he does not have the birthmark that you remember seeing the last time you met him?
May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM #693095ParticipantThe fact that the US government is sponsoring various groups through time-space continuum is not a secret. Serbian ‘revolutionaries’ from y2k were receiving training in Budapest. Then moved on to consult in Ukraine and Egipt. Before that there were Iran, Chile, etc. I am not saying that every policy is debated in blogosphere before it is persued. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly. Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? And they all feel great about what’s going on right now, so they will keep quiet? What would a published photo prove to you? Like you could tell it’s not Osama because he does not have the birthmark that you remember seeing the last time you met him?
May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM #693241ParticipantThe fact that the US government is sponsoring various groups through time-space continuum is not a secret. Serbian ‘revolutionaries’ from y2k were receiving training in Budapest. Then moved on to consult in Ukraine and Egipt. Before that there were Iran, Chile, etc. I am not saying that every policy is debated in blogosphere before it is persued. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly. Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? And they all feel great about what’s going on right now, so they will keep quiet? What would a published photo prove to you? Like you could tell it’s not Osama because he does not have the birthmark that you remember seeing the last time you met him?
May 4, 2011 at 8:49 PM #693592ParticipantThe fact that the US government is sponsoring various groups through time-space continuum is not a secret. Serbian ‘revolutionaries’ from y2k were receiving training in Budapest. Then moved on to consult in Ukraine and Egipt. Before that there were Iran, Chile, etc. I am not saying that every policy is debated in blogosphere before it is persued. But your original suggestion that Osama has died back in 2002 is silly. Did people in three administration and a number of Osama’s buddies, wives and children know about, yet conspired not to disclose it until Obama decided that he needed a boost 2 years before elections? And they all feel great about what’s going on right now, so they will keep quiet? What would a published photo prove to you? Like you could tell it’s not Osama because he does not have the birthmark that you remember seeing the last time you met him?
May 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM #692442SK in CV
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]
I wonder where UBL’s skull will end up?[/quote]
I wonder where his massive CD collection of show tunes ends up.
May 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM #692518Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]
I wonder where UBL’s skull will end up?[/quote]
I wonder where his massive CD collection of show tunes ends up.
May 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM #693119Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]
I wonder where UBL’s skull will end up?[/quote]
I wonder where his massive CD collection of show tunes ends up.
May 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM #693267Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]
I wonder where UBL’s skull will end up?[/quote]
I wonder where his massive CD collection of show tunes ends up.
May 4, 2011 at 9:57 PM #693617Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]
I wonder where UBL’s skull will end up?[/quote]
I wonder where his massive CD collection of show tunes ends up.
May 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM #692462briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy. With what William McNeill’s calls The Care and Repair of Public Myth. It’s seen as necessary for a functional society – which there is an element of truth to that.
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I would agree with ever-present conspiring. We could call it systemic survival.
Sure, the people within the establishment will do what it takes to perpetuate that establishment.
The military wants periodic wars, the cops need criminals, the prison guards want more prisoners, car-makers want more drivers, etc… everything is self-reinforcing.
Even within a family, despite some infighting or disagreements, the members will act with self-perservation in mind.
America will do what it takes to preserve our world dominance. Nothing wrong with that. That’s why there should be continuity in foreign policy, and politics should stop at the water’s edge; so we can maximize our foreign policy efforts.
Self-preservation and organizational growth automatically create some unspoken rules by which to operate. But I doubt very much that TPTB have the wherewithal, time and organizational structure to fix every single event.
Certain things happen at random. Then those events can be capitalized upon, spun, or acted upon, to further some purposes, or not.
It’s also interesting to note that the “conspiring” can be self-destructive. For example the “conspiring” of all the special interest groups to strenghten their own benefits is weakening our country as a whole. There aren’t “super conspirators” keeping all the special interest groups in line so that we remain the world’s super power.
May 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM #692538Guest[quote=Arraya]
So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy. With what William McNeill’s calls The Care and Repair of Public Myth. It’s seen as necessary for a functional society – which there is an element of truth to that.
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I would agree with ever-present conspiring. We could call it systemic survival.
Sure, the people within the establishment will do what it takes to perpetuate that establishment.
The military wants periodic wars, the cops need criminals, the prison guards want more prisoners, car-makers want more drivers, etc… everything is self-reinforcing.
Even within a family, despite some infighting or disagreements, the members will act with self-perservation in mind.
America will do what it takes to preserve our world dominance. Nothing wrong with that. That’s why there should be continuity in foreign policy, and politics should stop at the water’s edge; so we can maximize our foreign policy efforts.
Self-preservation and organizational growth automatically create some unspoken rules by which to operate. But I doubt very much that TPTB have the wherewithal, time and organizational structure to fix every single event.
Certain things happen at random. Then those events can be capitalized upon, spun, or acted upon, to further some purposes, or not.
It’s also interesting to note that the “conspiring” can be self-destructive. For example the “conspiring” of all the special interest groups to strenghten their own benefits is weakening our country as a whole. There aren’t “super conspirators” keeping all the special interest groups in line so that we remain the world’s super power.
May 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM #693138Guest[quote=Arraya]
So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy. With what William McNeill’s calls The Care and Repair of Public Myth. It’s seen as necessary for a functional society – which there is an element of truth to that.
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I would agree with ever-present conspiring. We could call it systemic survival.
Sure, the people within the establishment will do what it takes to perpetuate that establishment.
The military wants periodic wars, the cops need criminals, the prison guards want more prisoners, car-makers want more drivers, etc… everything is self-reinforcing.
Even within a family, despite some infighting or disagreements, the members will act with self-perservation in mind.
America will do what it takes to preserve our world dominance. Nothing wrong with that. That’s why there should be continuity in foreign policy, and politics should stop at the water’s edge; so we can maximize our foreign policy efforts.
Self-preservation and organizational growth automatically create some unspoken rules by which to operate. But I doubt very much that TPTB have the wherewithal, time and organizational structure to fix every single event.
Certain things happen at random. Then those events can be capitalized upon, spun, or acted upon, to further some purposes, or not.
It’s also interesting to note that the “conspiring” can be self-destructive. For example the “conspiring” of all the special interest groups to strenghten their own benefits is weakening our country as a whole. There aren’t “super conspirators” keeping all the special interest groups in line so that we remain the world’s super power.
May 4, 2011 at 10:42 PM #693287Guest[quote=Arraya]
So, I would say that conspiring is a systemic tendency. And public perception molding and mass psychology is well understood in the halls of power. Kind of, ever-present conspiring, rather than one big over-arching conspiracy. With what William McNeill’s calls The Care and Repair of Public Myth. It’s seen as necessary for a functional society – which there is an element of truth to that.
[/quote]
I would agree with ever-present conspiring. We could call it systemic survival.
Sure, the people within the establishment will do what it takes to perpetuate that establishment.
The military wants periodic wars, the cops need criminals, the prison guards want more prisoners, car-makers want more drivers, etc… everything is self-reinforcing.
Even within a family, despite some infighting or disagreements, the members will act with self-perservation in mind.
America will do what it takes to preserve our world dominance. Nothing wrong with that. That’s why there should be continuity in foreign policy, and politics should stop at the water’s edge; so we can maximize our foreign policy efforts.
Self-preservation and organizational growth automatically create some unspoken rules by which to operate. But I doubt very much that TPTB have the wherewithal, time and organizational structure to fix every single event.
Certain things happen at random. Then those events can be capitalized upon, spun, or acted upon, to further some purposes, or not.
It’s also interesting to note that the “conspiring” can be self-destructive. For example the “conspiring” of all the special interest groups to strenghten their own benefits is weakening our country as a whole. There aren’t “super conspirators” keeping all the special interest groups in line so that we remain the world’s super power.
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