OT: Battle Ground Zero: Murrieta: Invasion of America

[spdrun]

If that’s true, that seems a little too convenient, in addition to the note in Arabic on the unexploded pressure cooker. Which brings me back to Mr. van der Lubbe burning down the Reichstag.

Either the world’s biggest moron or a patsy.

[Coronita]

[quote=bearishgurl]Thanks for posting an accurate description of NYPD’s thorough, boots-on-the-ground investigation and apprehension of Rahmani, spd. This kind of material on the forum keeps the tin-foil hat wearers (ex: flu aka flu-redux aka bullishgurl, et al and others) in check :=0[/quote]

Ok, I’ll do something that YOU NEVER DO. I’ll admit, I was wrong about this, because I haven’t followed it closely this story closely.

So I stand corrected.

When was the last time you admitted you were wrong? Ever? And you certainly have been wrong many many times, haven’t you.

You see this is exactly why you are a hypocrite. You point fingers when people are wrong, and you are the worst offender and never admit when you are, even when facts clearly indicate you are wrong. And on top of that, not only were you just wrong, you added your touch of racism on top of that, in the last couple of post of off topics, when you went above and beyond your usual “wrong” That’s something you’ll never be able to take back. In hindsight, I’m glad you made those posts. Because now I understand you a lot better.

But whatever. I am finding out, that I am a much more positive and happy person when I’m not spending so much time with so many old people who are so negative and bitter. And at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is the scoreboard of net worth out in 2016 versus net worth in 2008/9…. And that, for me, makes me a very happy person.

So…..Whatever floats your boat, BG. Enjoy!

[Coronita]

Very very interesting article

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/immigration-attitudes-cnn-kff-poll/index.html

I wonder how many people can relate…..

It’s very interesting on the split in opinion goes between people with education and people without, though no surprise there.

[CA renter]

[quote=flu]Very very interesting article

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/22/us/immigration-attitudes-cnn-kff-poll/index.html

I wonder how many people can relate…..

It’s very interesting on the split in opinion goes between people with education and people without, though no surprise there.[/quote]

This split isn’t due to the less formally educated people being “dumb rubes,” but because they are the ones who bear the greatest costs of these demographic changes. They’re the ones competing for housing and jobs with any new low-SES entrants into the country. They also become less politically and socially powerful as these demographic shifts occur.

As noted with the responses to my comment about people from Beverly Hills and La Jolla, wealthier people can feel free to bathe in self-righteousness as they are free to agree with the politically-correct narrative because they know that their money will buffer them from most/all of the problems associated with these changes.

Note that when more educated people are affected in a similar way (like with H-1B visas), they also oppose those changes.

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter]This split isn’t due to the less formally educated people being “dumb rubes,” […][/quote]

You do know that the article was about Alabama?

[FlyerInHi]

CArenter you seem to conflate immigrants coming to steal jobs with refugees seeking asylum. People in imperial beach are protesting against refugees who aren’t even coming to their community.

[CA renter]

[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]This split isn’t due to the less formally educated people being “dumb rubes,” […][/quote]

You do know that the article was about Alabama?[/quote]

I’m referring to the issue of low/low-mid SES people who oppose illegal immigration, massive influxes of refugees, etc. It doesn’t matter if they live in California, Alabama, England, Germany, Italy, China, etc. It also doesn’t matter if the influx comes from Mexico, China, India, Syria, Libya, Somalia, etc. The reasons are almost always the same: the native people in the lower-SES groups are the ones who are displaced when these demographic shifts occur, and that’s why they so strongly oppose these policies. It has far more to do with economics and political/social power than it has to do with “racism” and “xenophobia.”

[Anonymous]

[quote=”CA Renter”]he reasons are almost always the same: the native people in the lower-SES groups are the ones who are displaced when these demographic shifts occur[/quote]

Interesting choices of words.

Who are the “native people” here in Southern California?

Who is concerned about being “displaced” by Syrian refugees?

[CA renter]

People who were born and raised here, particularly those from a lower-SES.

No need to fish, Pri. I’m not mincing words or being opaque in any way. There is nothing nefarious about what I’m saying, no matter how hard you try to twist things in that head of yours.

[Anonymous]

You used the word “displaced” – not me. Who is being displaced?

Do you have an example of actual people that have been displaced?

[CA renter]

You claim to have a grasp of economic principles. Stop acting stupid, and do some research for a change.

[Anonymous]

That’s one of your goto “I don’t really have an answer” responses.

“Go do some research,” “I’m smarter than you,” and other ad hominems.

Words have meaning. The word displaced has a meaning in geopolitics. A dire meaning.

People have been displaced in American history. Some of the displacements have been humanitarian disasters. But there is no displacement of Americans occurring today, certainly not in Southern California. You can relax, nobody is going to displace you or anyone like you.

Mexicans crossing the border to do manual labor or Syrian refugees displaced by a horrific war (hey, there’s that word again…) are not displacing any Americans. There’s no evidence that they are. You certainly haven’t even tried to present any evidence. (You don’t seem to understand this, but ad hominem comments and innuendo about certain neighborhoods doesn’t count as evidence … “do some research” is not a counter argument – it’s a cop out.)

The demographics of Southern California are changing as it has been for over two centuries. Some people would like to believe that it should be locked in time – specifically the time that they grew up here. Their argument, based mostly on nostalgia, has no merit.

In this thread and others you have alluded so some privilege that you claim because you are a “native” Californian. It’s a pathetic argument, but maybe you use it because it’s all you have. For any US citizen, the place you were born means nothing. Any American is free to live here, vote here, and influence policy here.

If the outcome of this process is a policy based on compassion and inclusion, you’re just going to have to live with it.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=harvey] . . . Mexicans crossing the border to do manual labor or Syrian refugees displaced by a horrific war (hey, there’s that word again…) are not displacing any Americans. There’s no evidence that they are. You certainly haven’t even tried to present any evidence . . . [/quote]You’re misstating the facts, again, pri_dk . . . as to be expected, coming from you. I happen to know several American citizens of 3 different races (and mixtures thereof) who can’t seem to land positions they sought at local hotels (ex: housekeeping, desk clerk, restaurant hostess or kitchen prep work, etc) due to being passed over for hiring in favor of Mexican Nationals (with or without a “legitimate” right to work in the US), nearly ALL of whom reside in MX! This not only happens in hospitality . . . it happens in professional offices as well (ex: medical, dental and law).

Perhaps you should venture out of your perch in the IE a little more often so you can have the opportunity to speak to regular US citizens who live closer to the Int’l Border. I think you will find that there is a lot of involuntary underemployment and unemployment of US citizens who live on the US side of the border (who have far higher living costs than the sieve of mostly Mexican Nationals crossing the border every day for work).

[CA renter]

Thank you, BG. It seems that Pri is completely unable to do any research of his own, while expecting others to spoon-feed him every single fact and detail.

Pri, not only are you the king of ad hominem attacks on this site, you have a reputation of misquoting and twisting other people’s words into something they’ve never said — often twisting them into the exact opposite of what they’ve said. You regularly use the quote feature and fill in other people’s quotes with words that are entirely yours, and yours alone.

Many Piggs have simply stopped engaging with you because you so regularly misquote and misrepresent what they are saying.

You are the #1 resident troll here (congratulations, you’re #1!). I’ve not blocked you because I want to know what everyone is saying. As I’ve stated before, even a troll can make a valuable contribution every once in awhile. But you bring trolling to a totally different level.

Edited to add: Here is the definition of “displace.” Perhaps your wife should buy you a dictionary for your next birthday since you always seem to have a problem with definitions and reading comprehension.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/displace

[Coronita]

Don’t let facts get in the way of the hate….

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/29/news/economy/american-farm-workers/index.html

The worker shortage facing America’s farmers

A recent Pew Research report found that more Mexican immigrants are now leaving the U.S. than coming into the country, citing tougher enforcement of immigration laws and the slow economic recovery here in the U.S. (The report accounted for both documented and undocumented immigrants).
With fewer workers, farm owners say costs are rising and they often must leave unpicked fruit to rot in the fields. Many producers are even opting to leave the U.S. for countries with lower costs and fewer regulations, said Tom Nassif, CEO of Western Growers, a trade organization that represents farm owners both in the U.S. and abroad.
“We’re pretty much begging for workers. It’s very bleak,” he said.

The competition for workers has sent average farm worker wages up 5% in the past year, to $12 an hour, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture figures. That’s $2 higher than California’s $10 minimum wage, with some farmers saying they pay as much as $15 an hour, according to Nassif.

And costs keep rising. Two weeks ago, California expanded its overtime rules to include migrant farm workers. That means farm owners must pay one and half times the employee’s regular rate after they have worked a certain number of consecutive hours.

With increased competition for labor, workers are also asking for and winning better working conditions, such as a 15-minute shade break for each hour of work.
“If they don’t like how they’re being treated or what they’re being paid, they’ll just go to another farm,” said Nassif.

Still, the increased pay, improved working conditions and overtime benefits have failed to attract many American workers.
“Of the 300 workers I have in the field, two are Americans,” said Joe Del Bosque, a farm owner in Firebaugh, California.

So much for Obama’s open border silliness. Older folks on fixed income, be prepared for a lot higher food costs. But hey, now you can put your money where your mouth is (literally and figuratively)… Looks like even the loaves of bread past the expiration date will be more expensive.

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