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March 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM #680362March 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM #679213
Ren
Participant[quote=frenchlambda]… From there, the only cure is total abstinence. He must stay away from alcohol, period.[/quote]
This applies to some people, but not all. Those with more addictive personalities may find total abstinence helpful.
Others will do just fine by cutting WAY back, and slowly so it isn’t so painful. The more you drink over the long term, the more addicted you’ll be, and vice versa. Like many college age people I drank enormous amounts of beer and was a total slob (sounds familiar), and when I noticed that the cravings had become physical (I needed a beer), it was a short jump to conclude that I was an alcoholic, and I admitted it. However, instead of throwing myself into rehab or AA meetings, I cut back extremely slowly, over many years.
Fast forward 15 years. I rarely drink now, a few at family gatherings and the occasional (once or twice/year) drunkfest with buddies. I experience zero cravings for a drink, ever. If I ever was an alcoholic, and I believe I was, I am not now. And I’m genetically predisposed to it.
March 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM #679268Participant[quote=frenchlambda]… From there, the only cure is total abstinence. He must stay away from alcohol, period.[/quote]
This applies to some people, but not all. Those with more addictive personalities may find total abstinence helpful.
Others will do just fine by cutting WAY back, and slowly so it isn’t so painful. The more you drink over the long term, the more addicted you’ll be, and vice versa. Like many college age people I drank enormous amounts of beer and was a total slob (sounds familiar), and when I noticed that the cravings had become physical (I needed a beer), it was a short jump to conclude that I was an alcoholic, and I admitted it. However, instead of throwing myself into rehab or AA meetings, I cut back extremely slowly, over many years.
Fast forward 15 years. I rarely drink now, a few at family gatherings and the occasional (once or twice/year) drunkfest with buddies. I experience zero cravings for a drink, ever. If I ever was an alcoholic, and I believe I was, I am not now. And I’m genetically predisposed to it.
March 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM #679878Participant[quote=frenchlambda]… From there, the only cure is total abstinence. He must stay away from alcohol, period.[/quote]
This applies to some people, but not all. Those with more addictive personalities may find total abstinence helpful.
Others will do just fine by cutting WAY back, and slowly so it isn’t so painful. The more you drink over the long term, the more addicted you’ll be, and vice versa. Like many college age people I drank enormous amounts of beer and was a total slob (sounds familiar), and when I noticed that the cravings had become physical (I needed a beer), it was a short jump to conclude that I was an alcoholic, and I admitted it. However, instead of throwing myself into rehab or AA meetings, I cut back extremely slowly, over many years.
Fast forward 15 years. I rarely drink now, a few at family gatherings and the occasional (once or twice/year) drunkfest with buddies. I experience zero cravings for a drink, ever. If I ever was an alcoholic, and I believe I was, I am not now. And I’m genetically predisposed to it.
March 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM #680016Participant[quote=frenchlambda]… From there, the only cure is total abstinence. He must stay away from alcohol, period.[/quote]
This applies to some people, but not all. Those with more addictive personalities may find total abstinence helpful.
Others will do just fine by cutting WAY back, and slowly so it isn’t so painful. The more you drink over the long term, the more addicted you’ll be, and vice versa. Like many college age people I drank enormous amounts of beer and was a total slob (sounds familiar), and when I noticed that the cravings had become physical (I needed a beer), it was a short jump to conclude that I was an alcoholic, and I admitted it. However, instead of throwing myself into rehab or AA meetings, I cut back extremely slowly, over many years.
Fast forward 15 years. I rarely drink now, a few at family gatherings and the occasional (once or twice/year) drunkfest with buddies. I experience zero cravings for a drink, ever. If I ever was an alcoholic, and I believe I was, I am not now. And I’m genetically predisposed to it.
March 21, 2011 at 3:20 PM #680367Participant[quote=frenchlambda]… From there, the only cure is total abstinence. He must stay away from alcohol, period.[/quote]
This applies to some people, but not all. Those with more addictive personalities may find total abstinence helpful.
Others will do just fine by cutting WAY back, and slowly so it isn’t so painful. The more you drink over the long term, the more addicted you’ll be, and vice versa. Like many college age people I drank enormous amounts of beer and was a total slob (sounds familiar), and when I noticed that the cravings had become physical (I needed a beer), it was a short jump to conclude that I was an alcoholic, and I admitted it. However, instead of throwing myself into rehab or AA meetings, I cut back extremely slowly, over many years.
Fast forward 15 years. I rarely drink now, a few at family gatherings and the occasional (once or twice/year) drunkfest with buddies. I experience zero cravings for a drink, ever. If I ever was an alcoholic, and I believe I was, I am not now. And I’m genetically predisposed to it.
March 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM #679223urbanrealtor
ParticipantFor any who care:
About 15 months ago, I called the police to have my brother arrested.
He was dodging a no-bail warrant (for possession of meth) and using my father’s place as a hiding spot.
When we tossed his room we recovered about 600 used insulin needles.
He is not a diabetic.
He is a heroin addict (among other things).
We did not know that until then.
Makes me wonder if getting high with my little brother was a bad idea back when I was 19.
After getting out of jail, he tried to harm both me and my father.
My dad had to get a restraining order against him.
I have been going to Al Anon for several years (that is the group for family and friends of addicts).
While I like watching Charlie Sheen flame out as much as the next guy, its pretty hard when its someone you care about acting that way.
Its astounding how base and child-like an intelligent person can become when intoxication becomes such a large part of their world.
Anyway, my 2 bits.March 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM #679278ParticipantFor any who care:
About 15 months ago, I called the police to have my brother arrested.
He was dodging a no-bail warrant (for possession of meth) and using my father’s place as a hiding spot.
When we tossed his room we recovered about 600 used insulin needles.
He is not a diabetic.
He is a heroin addict (among other things).
We did not know that until then.
Makes me wonder if getting high with my little brother was a bad idea back when I was 19.
After getting out of jail, he tried to harm both me and my father.
My dad had to get a restraining order against him.
I have been going to Al Anon for several years (that is the group for family and friends of addicts).
While I like watching Charlie Sheen flame out as much as the next guy, its pretty hard when its someone you care about acting that way.
Its astounding how base and child-like an intelligent person can become when intoxication becomes such a large part of their world.
Anyway, my 2 bits.March 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM #679888ParticipantFor any who care:
About 15 months ago, I called the police to have my brother arrested.
He was dodging a no-bail warrant (for possession of meth) and using my father’s place as a hiding spot.
When we tossed his room we recovered about 600 used insulin needles.
He is not a diabetic.
He is a heroin addict (among other things).
We did not know that until then.
Makes me wonder if getting high with my little brother was a bad idea back when I was 19.
After getting out of jail, he tried to harm both me and my father.
My dad had to get a restraining order against him.
I have been going to Al Anon for several years (that is the group for family and friends of addicts).
While I like watching Charlie Sheen flame out as much as the next guy, its pretty hard when its someone you care about acting that way.
Its astounding how base and child-like an intelligent person can become when intoxication becomes such a large part of their world.
Anyway, my 2 bits.March 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM #680026ParticipantFor any who care:
About 15 months ago, I called the police to have my brother arrested.
He was dodging a no-bail warrant (for possession of meth) and using my father’s place as a hiding spot.
When we tossed his room we recovered about 600 used insulin needles.
He is not a diabetic.
He is a heroin addict (among other things).
We did not know that until then.
Makes me wonder if getting high with my little brother was a bad idea back when I was 19.
After getting out of jail, he tried to harm both me and my father.
My dad had to get a restraining order against him.
I have been going to Al Anon for several years (that is the group for family and friends of addicts).
While I like watching Charlie Sheen flame out as much as the next guy, its pretty hard when its someone you care about acting that way.
Its astounding how base and child-like an intelligent person can become when intoxication becomes such a large part of their world.
Anyway, my 2 bits.March 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM #680377ParticipantFor any who care:
About 15 months ago, I called the police to have my brother arrested.
He was dodging a no-bail warrant (for possession of meth) and using my father’s place as a hiding spot.
When we tossed his room we recovered about 600 used insulin needles.
He is not a diabetic.
He is a heroin addict (among other things).
We did not know that until then.
Makes me wonder if getting high with my little brother was a bad idea back when I was 19.
After getting out of jail, he tried to harm both me and my father.
My dad had to get a restraining order against him.
I have been going to Al Anon for several years (that is the group for family and friends of addicts).
While I like watching Charlie Sheen flame out as much as the next guy, its pretty hard when its someone you care about acting that way.
Its astounding how base and child-like an intelligent person can become when intoxication becomes such a large part of their world.
Anyway, my 2 bits.March 21, 2011 at 4:09 PM #679232briansd1
GuestInteresting feedback from everyone.
Thankfully this friend is gainfully employed and he makes a good living. So he doesn’t need financial help (I don’t think that I would give money to anyone but my own brothers or parents).
Like I said before, my friend needs security clearance for his job and he knows it. When he goes to work, he will sober up for a few days. But when he’s off (which could be a period of a week or more), he’ll start drinking again, until he has to show up for work. But if he can’t sober up, he’ll call in sick.
Yes, I realize that alcoholism is a sickness. But what’s the line between sickness and self-control? Alcoholism is not like cancer. There is a will-power element.
This person never goes an extended amount of time without a drink.
I’ve been with my friend before where it seems like he vegges frequently. He complains about headaches if he has to keep on moving all day, like hiking or even walking in town. That guy can’t even walk 1 mile without getting upset. Would rather take taxi.
This guy is very smart. I didn’t put things together until I saw his house. It’s not dirty but extremely messy. There was a pile of empty beer bottles. Some empty hard liquor bottles too.
It seems like if you cannot stop drinking for at least 72 hours, you could be considered an alcoholic. That’s when there’s a problem.
Symptoms most commonly occur within 72 hours after the last drink, but may occur up to 7 – 10 days after the last drink. Symptoms may get worse rapidly, and can include:
Body tremors
Mental status changesAnyway, I doubt this guy will go to AA or even a psychologist because that would jeopardize his job.
March 21, 2011 at 4:09 PM #679288GuestInteresting feedback from everyone.
Thankfully this friend is gainfully employed and he makes a good living. So he doesn’t need financial help (I don’t think that I would give money to anyone but my own brothers or parents).
Like I said before, my friend needs security clearance for his job and he knows it. When he goes to work, he will sober up for a few days. But when he’s off (which could be a period of a week or more), he’ll start drinking again, until he has to show up for work. But if he can’t sober up, he’ll call in sick.
Yes, I realize that alcoholism is a sickness. But what’s the line between sickness and self-control? Alcoholism is not like cancer. There is a will-power element.
This person never goes an extended amount of time without a drink.
I’ve been with my friend before where it seems like he vegges frequently. He complains about headaches if he has to keep on moving all day, like hiking or even walking in town. That guy can’t even walk 1 mile without getting upset. Would rather take taxi.
This guy is very smart. I didn’t put things together until I saw his house. It’s not dirty but extremely messy. There was a pile of empty beer bottles. Some empty hard liquor bottles too.
It seems like if you cannot stop drinking for at least 72 hours, you could be considered an alcoholic. That’s when there’s a problem.
Symptoms most commonly occur within 72 hours after the last drink, but may occur up to 7 – 10 days after the last drink. Symptoms may get worse rapidly, and can include:
Body tremors
Mental status changesAnyway, I doubt this guy will go to AA or even a psychologist because that would jeopardize his job.
March 21, 2011 at 4:09 PM #679898GuestInteresting feedback from everyone.
Thankfully this friend is gainfully employed and he makes a good living. So he doesn’t need financial help (I don’t think that I would give money to anyone but my own brothers or parents).
Like I said before, my friend needs security clearance for his job and he knows it. When he goes to work, he will sober up for a few days. But when he’s off (which could be a period of a week or more), he’ll start drinking again, until he has to show up for work. But if he can’t sober up, he’ll call in sick.
Yes, I realize that alcoholism is a sickness. But what’s the line between sickness and self-control? Alcoholism is not like cancer. There is a will-power element.
This person never goes an extended amount of time without a drink.
I’ve been with my friend before where it seems like he vegges frequently. He complains about headaches if he has to keep on moving all day, like hiking or even walking in town. That guy can’t even walk 1 mile without getting upset. Would rather take taxi.
This guy is very smart. I didn’t put things together until I saw his house. It’s not dirty but extremely messy. There was a pile of empty beer bottles. Some empty hard liquor bottles too.
It seems like if you cannot stop drinking for at least 72 hours, you could be considered an alcoholic. That’s when there’s a problem.
Symptoms most commonly occur within 72 hours after the last drink, but may occur up to 7 – 10 days after the last drink. Symptoms may get worse rapidly, and can include:
Body tremors
Mental status changesAnyway, I doubt this guy will go to AA or even a psychologist because that would jeopardize his job.
March 21, 2011 at 4:09 PM #680036GuestInteresting feedback from everyone.
Thankfully this friend is gainfully employed and he makes a good living. So he doesn’t need financial help (I don’t think that I would give money to anyone but my own brothers or parents).
Like I said before, my friend needs security clearance for his job and he knows it. When he goes to work, he will sober up for a few days. But when he’s off (which could be a period of a week or more), he’ll start drinking again, until he has to show up for work. But if he can’t sober up, he’ll call in sick.
Yes, I realize that alcoholism is a sickness. But what’s the line between sickness and self-control? Alcoholism is not like cancer. There is a will-power element.
This person never goes an extended amount of time without a drink.
I’ve been with my friend before where it seems like he vegges frequently. He complains about headaches if he has to keep on moving all day, like hiking or even walking in town. That guy can’t even walk 1 mile without getting upset. Would rather take taxi.
This guy is very smart. I didn’t put things together until I saw his house. It’s not dirty but extremely messy. There was a pile of empty beer bottles. Some empty hard liquor bottles too.
It seems like if you cannot stop drinking for at least 72 hours, you could be considered an alcoholic. That’s when there’s a problem.
Symptoms most commonly occur within 72 hours after the last drink, but may occur up to 7 – 10 days after the last drink. Symptoms may get worse rapidly, and can include:
Body tremors
Mental status changesAnyway, I doubt this guy will go to AA or even a psychologist because that would jeopardize his job.
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