OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

[Rich Toscano]

[quote=threadkiller] It would be interesting to see if Mormon’s or other non alcohol drinkers live longer or have better health in general.[/quote]

This one’s already been answered… they do not (live longer, anyway):

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html

In fact, according to that study, even heavy drinkers outlive non-drinkers.

[bearishgurl]

My own experience bears Rich’s article out. Of the two dozen relatives I’ve lost to death over the last 20 years, all except for three were non-drinkers . . . lifelong abstainers (we are not Mormon). The three who were previous heavy drinkers lived to be 38, 40 and 73. None of their causes of death were alcohol-related.

The rest died at age 83, 82, 67 and below . . . half below age 50, due to a combination of bad genes, smoking and bad luck :=(

[bearishgurl]

My own experience bears Rich’s article out. Of the two dozen relatives I’ve lost to death over the last 20 years, all except for three were non-drinkers . . . lifelong abstainers (we are not Mormon). The three who were previous heavy drinkers lived to be 38, 40 and 73. None of their causes of death were alcohol-related.

The rest died at age 83, 82, 67 and below . . . half below age 50, due to a combination of bad genes, smoking and bad luck :=(

[bearishgurl]

My own experience bears Rich’s article out. Of the two dozen relatives I’ve lost to death over the last 20 years, all except for three were non-drinkers . . . lifelong abstainers (we are not Mormon). The three who were previous heavy drinkers lived to be 38, 40 and 73. None of their causes of death were alcohol-related.

The rest died at age 83, 82, 67 and below . . . half below age 50, due to a combination of bad genes, smoking and bad luck :=(

[bearishgurl]

My own experience bears Rich’s article out. Of the two dozen relatives I’ve lost to death over the last 20 years, all except for three were non-drinkers . . . lifelong abstainers (we are not Mormon). The three who were previous heavy drinkers lived to be 38, 40 and 73. None of their causes of death were alcohol-related.

The rest died at age 83, 82, 67 and below . . . half below age 50, due to a combination of bad genes, smoking and bad luck :=(

[bearishgurl]

My own experience bears Rich’s article out. Of the two dozen relatives I’ve lost to death over the last 20 years, all except for three were non-drinkers . . . lifelong abstainers (we are not Mormon). The three who were previous heavy drinkers lived to be 38, 40 and 73. None of their causes of death were alcohol-related.

The rest died at age 83, 82, 67 and below . . . half below age 50, due to a combination of bad genes, smoking and bad luck :=(

[briansd1]

Interesting Time article.
The key is social interaction with friends and family. The French, Italians, Greeks have it right.

I doubt that it’s good to drink until collapse, all alone at home, watching porn on the Net.

One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html#ixzz1HIuTsLDF

[briansd1]

Interesting Time article.
The key is social interaction with friends and family. The French, Italians, Greeks have it right.

I doubt that it’s good to drink until collapse, all alone at home, watching porn on the Net.

One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html#ixzz1HIuTsLDF

[briansd1]

Interesting Time article.
The key is social interaction with friends and family. The French, Italians, Greeks have it right.

I doubt that it’s good to drink until collapse, all alone at home, watching porn on the Net.

One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html#ixzz1HIuTsLDF

[briansd1]

Interesting Time article.
The key is social interaction with friends and family. The French, Italians, Greeks have it right.

I doubt that it’s good to drink until collapse, all alone at home, watching porn on the Net.

One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html#ixzz1HIuTsLDF

[briansd1]

Interesting Time article.
The key is social interaction with friends and family. The French, Italians, Greeks have it right.

I doubt that it’s good to drink until collapse, all alone at home, watching porn on the Net.

One important reason is that alcohol lubricates so many social interactions, and social interactions are vital for maintaining mental and physical health. As I pointed out last year, nondrinkers show greater signs of depression than those who allow themselves to join the party.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2014332,00.html#ixzz1HIuTsLDF

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

[outtamojo]

[quote=Rustico]Yes JP, I have read up on it.There were other influences from books read and people I have met along the way, but the most comprehensive argument for this point of view that I have come across is “The Truth about Addiction and Recovery”.

Scaredy’s comments about teaching or learning moderation(or not) at some cultural level are also covered in the book. Some individual people,even groups of people, are just better prepared by various kinds of histories, to become extremely addicted to something than others are,but probably without any genetic differences to attribute. Is bulimia/Anorexia genetic because it is largely an American Phenomena?

Belief that it is the ethnicity of the people , without an attempt to debunk with a study of culture/histories can create some self fulfilling prophecy problems that lead to this speculation/confirmation bias with regard to genetics and problem drinking, crack cocaine use or abuse of anything else. Alcoholism depends on weaknesses of all kinds, but the problem drinking is still a symptom not a disease.[/quote]

Here is some info on the genetics of NON-alcoholics. There is a drug available that makes you feel terrible when you drink, which, on the flip side of this topic, is how I feel when I drink. Yeah, that’s why some don’t really join the party : (, all it takes is a few sips.
http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v17n3/p18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetaldehyde_dehydrogenase

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram

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