OMG – Someone please control Christine O’donnell

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[quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jstoesz]All of this follows to the elemental problem with public schools…They are a one size fits all legislative control arm from Washington. In one of the most intimate aspects of our lives. There are no choices (I guess they are limited with charter schools and the financially prohibitive private schools). If people can go where they choose, this debate we are having is moot.[/quote]

The elemental problem seems to be that you have no clue what you’re talking about. There is no legislative control of classroom curricula from Washington. It is all determined at the state or local level. And you can send your children where you chose. Either the public school in your area (many actually provide choices within your district) or you can elect to send them to private school. Or even home school them. That choice is yours.

[quote=jstoesz] The solution to this problem is freedom not more regulation. I am sure you want your child to go to a secular humanist school. I have no problem with that. But should you have a problem if I want to send my kid to a Muslim school? Why is your Religon more protected than mine? The absence of a religion is still a religion.[/quote]

Nobody is keeping you from sending your children to a Muslim school if you so choose. But with minor exception, that Muslim school (or any other parochial school) cannot receive direct federal or state funding.

(And the assertion that the absence of religion is a religion is absurd. In the rhetorical sense, it begs the question. It is a logical fallacy which assumes that everyone must have faith. I don’t, thank you. I don’t begrudge you having yours. It simply isn’t mine.)

[SK in CV]

[quote=jstoesz]All of this follows to the elemental problem with public schools…They are a one size fits all legislative control arm from Washington. In one of the most intimate aspects of our lives. There are no choices (I guess they are limited with charter schools and the financially prohibitive private schools). If people can go where they choose, this debate we are having is moot.[/quote]

The elemental problem seems to be that you have no clue what you’re talking about. There is no legislative control of classroom curricula from Washington. It is all determined at the state or local level. And you can send your children where you chose. Either the public school in your area (many actually provide choices within your district) or you can elect to send them to private school. Or even home school them. That choice is yours.

[quote=jstoesz] The solution to this problem is freedom not more regulation. I am sure you want your child to go to a secular humanist school. I have no problem with that. But should you have a problem if I want to send my kid to a Muslim school? Why is your Religon more protected than mine? The absence of a religion is still a religion.[/quote]

Nobody is keeping you from sending your children to a Muslim school if you so choose. But with minor exception, that Muslim school (or any other parochial school) cannot receive direct federal or state funding.

(And the assertion that the absence of religion is a religion is absurd. In the rhetorical sense, it begs the question. It is a logical fallacy which assumes that everyone must have faith. I don’t, thank you. I don’t begrudge you having yours. It simply isn’t mine.)

[SK in CV]

[quote=jstoesz]All of this follows to the elemental problem with public schools…They are a one size fits all legislative control arm from Washington. In one of the most intimate aspects of our lives. There are no choices (I guess they are limited with charter schools and the financially prohibitive private schools). If people can go where they choose, this debate we are having is moot.[/quote]

The elemental problem seems to be that you have no clue what you’re talking about. There is no legislative control of classroom curricula from Washington. It is all determined at the state or local level. And you can send your children where you chose. Either the public school in your area (many actually provide choices within your district) or you can elect to send them to private school. Or even home school them. That choice is yours.

[quote=jstoesz] The solution to this problem is freedom not more regulation. I am sure you want your child to go to a secular humanist school. I have no problem with that. But should you have a problem if I want to send my kid to a Muslim school? Why is your Religon more protected than mine? The absence of a religion is still a religion.[/quote]

Nobody is keeping you from sending your children to a Muslim school if you so choose. But with minor exception, that Muslim school (or any other parochial school) cannot receive direct federal or state funding.

(And the assertion that the absence of religion is a religion is absurd. In the rhetorical sense, it begs the question. It is a logical fallacy which assumes that everyone must have faith. I don’t, thank you. I don’t begrudge you having yours. It simply isn’t mine.)

[SK in CV]

[quote=jstoesz]All of this follows to the elemental problem with public schools…They are a one size fits all legislative control arm from Washington. In one of the most intimate aspects of our lives. There are no choices (I guess they are limited with charter schools and the financially prohibitive private schools). If people can go where they choose, this debate we are having is moot.[/quote]

The elemental problem seems to be that you have no clue what you’re talking about. There is no legislative control of classroom curricula from Washington. It is all determined at the state or local level. And you can send your children where you chose. Either the public school in your area (many actually provide choices within your district) or you can elect to send them to private school. Or even home school them. That choice is yours.

[quote=jstoesz] The solution to this problem is freedom not more regulation. I am sure you want your child to go to a secular humanist school. I have no problem with that. But should you have a problem if I want to send my kid to a Muslim school? Why is your Religon more protected than mine? The absence of a religion is still a religion.[/quote]

Nobody is keeping you from sending your children to a Muslim school if you so choose. But with minor exception, that Muslim school (or any other parochial school) cannot receive direct federal or state funding.

(And the assertion that the absence of religion is a religion is absurd. In the rhetorical sense, it begs the question. It is a logical fallacy which assumes that everyone must have faith. I don’t, thank you. I don’t begrudge you having yours. It simply isn’t mine.)

[SK in CV]

[quote=jstoesz]All of this follows to the elemental problem with public schools…They are a one size fits all legislative control arm from Washington. In one of the most intimate aspects of our lives. There are no choices (I guess they are limited with charter schools and the financially prohibitive private schools). If people can go where they choose, this debate we are having is moot.[/quote]

The elemental problem seems to be that you have no clue what you’re talking about. There is no legislative control of classroom curricula from Washington. It is all determined at the state or local level. And you can send your children where you chose. Either the public school in your area (many actually provide choices within your district) or you can elect to send them to private school. Or even home school them. That choice is yours.

[quote=jstoesz] The solution to this problem is freedom not more regulation. I am sure you want your child to go to a secular humanist school. I have no problem with that. But should you have a problem if I want to send my kid to a Muslim school? Why is your Religon more protected than mine? The absence of a religion is still a religion.[/quote]

Nobody is keeping you from sending your children to a Muslim school if you so choose. But with minor exception, that Muslim school (or any other parochial school) cannot receive direct federal or state funding.

(And the assertion that the absence of religion is a religion is absurd. In the rhetorical sense, it begs the question. It is a logical fallacy which assumes that everyone must have faith. I don’t, thank you. I don’t begrudge you having yours. It simply isn’t mine.)

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.[/quote]

The sharks see the violence inherent in the system.

They know.

They oppress nobody.

They just eat them.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.[/quote]

The sharks see the violence inherent in the system.

They know.

They oppress nobody.

They just eat them.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.[/quote]

The sharks see the violence inherent in the system.

They know.

They oppress nobody.

They just eat them.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=urbanrealtor][quote=zk][quote=jstoesz] Why is your Religon more protected than mine?.[/quote]

I think the point that is missing from this discussion (I don’t know for sure, I haven’t read the whole thing) is:

The problem isn’t that creationism is taught or mentioned in school. The problem is that some want creationism taught as science. Creationism is not science, it is religion. If it’s taught as religion (as in, some people believe in creationism, some people belive in apotamkin, some people believe in the tooth fairy. These are all faith-based beliefs), then I think there’d be a lot less opposition. Especially if it were part of a program to educate children on all the religions of the world.

To teach creationism as science is to misinform our children, and I can’t see how that would be a good idea.[/quote]

I am moving to a shark based system of creation.[/quote]

The sharks see the violence inherent in the system.

They know.

They oppress nobody.

They just eat them.

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