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October 21, 2010 at 10:42 AM #622216October 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM #621173
jstoesz
Participantucodegen, not that I disagree with you, but your argument will fall on deaf ears on this one.
What becomes increasingly clear is not that they have no problem with O’Donnell’s power or any senators power to legislate their values, they are just angry at the specific values themselves. They are not angry at the fact that her views have no place in a discourse about government. They want too wish to implement their own views of society and legislate them down.
In the place of legislating God in society and education, they want to legislate secular humanism…
But what we should ask ourselves is why the government has a say in the matter at all. Using the government as a weapon against religion is as dumb as using government as a weapon against degrading social values. The federal governments constitutional role is one limited to very few things (not that anyone cares any more). As stated in the 10th amendment…
“The powers not (specifically) delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If we stick with a limited government, both stripes of fascists, have no leg to stand on. And People get to do what the hell they want with the life and property they earned. When people 3k miles away, Christine O’Donnell included, have their dirty fingers in every aspect of our life, We are screwed. And the corporations and public unions can go on screwing us with their help.
Rant over, back to your right vs left bash fest…
October 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM #621254Participantucodegen, not that I disagree with you, but your argument will fall on deaf ears on this one.
What becomes increasingly clear is not that they have no problem with O’Donnell’s power or any senators power to legislate their values, they are just angry at the specific values themselves. They are not angry at the fact that her views have no place in a discourse about government. They want too wish to implement their own views of society and legislate them down.
In the place of legislating God in society and education, they want to legislate secular humanism…
But what we should ask ourselves is why the government has a say in the matter at all. Using the government as a weapon against religion is as dumb as using government as a weapon against degrading social values. The federal governments constitutional role is one limited to very few things (not that anyone cares any more). As stated in the 10th amendment…
“The powers not (specifically) delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If we stick with a limited government, both stripes of fascists, have no leg to stand on. And People get to do what the hell they want with the life and property they earned. When people 3k miles away, Christine O’Donnell included, have their dirty fingers in every aspect of our life, We are screwed. And the corporations and public unions can go on screwing us with their help.
Rant over, back to your right vs left bash fest…
October 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM #621814Participantucodegen, not that I disagree with you, but your argument will fall on deaf ears on this one.
What becomes increasingly clear is not that they have no problem with O’Donnell’s power or any senators power to legislate their values, they are just angry at the specific values themselves. They are not angry at the fact that her views have no place in a discourse about government. They want too wish to implement their own views of society and legislate them down.
In the place of legislating God in society and education, they want to legislate secular humanism…
But what we should ask ourselves is why the government has a say in the matter at all. Using the government as a weapon against religion is as dumb as using government as a weapon against degrading social values. The federal governments constitutional role is one limited to very few things (not that anyone cares any more). As stated in the 10th amendment…
“The powers not (specifically) delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If we stick with a limited government, both stripes of fascists, have no leg to stand on. And People get to do what the hell they want with the life and property they earned. When people 3k miles away, Christine O’Donnell included, have their dirty fingers in every aspect of our life, We are screwed. And the corporations and public unions can go on screwing us with their help.
Rant over, back to your right vs left bash fest…
October 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM #621936Participantucodegen, not that I disagree with you, but your argument will fall on deaf ears on this one.
What becomes increasingly clear is not that they have no problem with O’Donnell’s power or any senators power to legislate their values, they are just angry at the specific values themselves. They are not angry at the fact that her views have no place in a discourse about government. They want too wish to implement their own views of society and legislate them down.
In the place of legislating God in society and education, they want to legislate secular humanism…
But what we should ask ourselves is why the government has a say in the matter at all. Using the government as a weapon against religion is as dumb as using government as a weapon against degrading social values. The federal governments constitutional role is one limited to very few things (not that anyone cares any more). As stated in the 10th amendment…
“The powers not (specifically) delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If we stick with a limited government, both stripes of fascists, have no leg to stand on. And People get to do what the hell they want with the life and property they earned. When people 3k miles away, Christine O’Donnell included, have their dirty fingers in every aspect of our life, We are screwed. And the corporations and public unions can go on screwing us with their help.
Rant over, back to your right vs left bash fest…
October 21, 2010 at 11:58 AM #622255Participantucodegen, not that I disagree with you, but your argument will fall on deaf ears on this one.
What becomes increasingly clear is not that they have no problem with O’Donnell’s power or any senators power to legislate their values, they are just angry at the specific values themselves. They are not angry at the fact that her views have no place in a discourse about government. They want too wish to implement their own views of society and legislate them down.
In the place of legislating God in society and education, they want to legislate secular humanism…
But what we should ask ourselves is why the government has a say in the matter at all. Using the government as a weapon against religion is as dumb as using government as a weapon against degrading social values. The federal governments constitutional role is one limited to very few things (not that anyone cares any more). As stated in the 10th amendment…
“The powers not (specifically) delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If we stick with a limited government, both stripes of fascists, have no leg to stand on. And People get to do what the hell they want with the life and property they earned. When people 3k miles away, Christine O’Donnell included, have their dirty fingers in every aspect of our life, We are screwed. And the corporations and public unions can go on screwing us with their help.
Rant over, back to your right vs left bash fest…
October 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM #621182afx114
Participantjstoesz, you are associating no-religion-in-schools as being the same thing anti-religion. They are not the same. How is not teaching creationism in school a “weapon against religion?” You can learn creationism in your church. The government does not prevent that. If they did, perhaps you would have an argument.
Secular humanism is based on the observable universe in which we live. Religion is based on belief and faith. Faith has no place in education. I’m curious, would you be OK with non-Christian creation myths being taught in school? Perhaps some Native American, Aztec, etc stories on where we come from? Which creation myths would you teach and why?
October 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM #621264Participantjstoesz, you are associating no-religion-in-schools as being the same thing anti-religion. They are not the same. How is not teaching creationism in school a “weapon against religion?” You can learn creationism in your church. The government does not prevent that. If they did, perhaps you would have an argument.
Secular humanism is based on the observable universe in which we live. Religion is based on belief and faith. Faith has no place in education. I’m curious, would you be OK with non-Christian creation myths being taught in school? Perhaps some Native American, Aztec, etc stories on where we come from? Which creation myths would you teach and why?
October 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM #621824Participantjstoesz, you are associating no-religion-in-schools as being the same thing anti-religion. They are not the same. How is not teaching creationism in school a “weapon against religion?” You can learn creationism in your church. The government does not prevent that. If they did, perhaps you would have an argument.
Secular humanism is based on the observable universe in which we live. Religion is based on belief and faith. Faith has no place in education. I’m curious, would you be OK with non-Christian creation myths being taught in school? Perhaps some Native American, Aztec, etc stories on where we come from? Which creation myths would you teach and why?
October 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM #621946Participantjstoesz, you are associating no-religion-in-schools as being the same thing anti-religion. They are not the same. How is not teaching creationism in school a “weapon against religion?” You can learn creationism in your church. The government does not prevent that. If they did, perhaps you would have an argument.
Secular humanism is based on the observable universe in which we live. Religion is based on belief and faith. Faith has no place in education. I’m curious, would you be OK with non-Christian creation myths being taught in school? Perhaps some Native American, Aztec, etc stories on where we come from? Which creation myths would you teach and why?
October 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM #622265Participantjstoesz, you are associating no-religion-in-schools as being the same thing anti-religion. They are not the same. How is not teaching creationism in school a “weapon against religion?” You can learn creationism in your church. The government does not prevent that. If they did, perhaps you would have an argument.
Secular humanism is based on the observable universe in which we live. Religion is based on belief and faith. Faith has no place in education. I’m curious, would you be OK with non-Christian creation myths being taught in school? Perhaps some Native American, Aztec, etc stories on where we come from? Which creation myths would you teach and why?
October 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM #621187gandalf
Participantjstoesz, the issue we’re talking about isn’t federal spending or reducing pork for corporations and unions.
It involves the teaching of Biblical Creationism in public school science class and decades of settled law surrounding the Establishment Clause that LIMIT the reach of BOTH federal and state governments (and all local governments that derive their powers from the state) — in matters of faith.
Science is science, the rational inquiry into a physical, experimental and experiential world. The Book of Genesis is religion. Every religion has a ‘Creation Story’. No amount of deception and legalisms will transform Adam and Eve into ‘Science’.
What our Constitution, Amendments and legal traditions in this country have upheld for decades, and what the right-wing fucktards are challenging, is the right to indoctrinate my children with their Christian beliefs.
Now, I may decide to raise my children a certain way, take them to church every Sunday. That’s fine. I want them to be good kids. I may even believe in Adam and Eve. But I don’t have the right to impose my religious beliefs on other kids in that classroom.
THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.
October 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM #621269Participantjstoesz, the issue we’re talking about isn’t federal spending or reducing pork for corporations and unions.
It involves the teaching of Biblical Creationism in public school science class and decades of settled law surrounding the Establishment Clause that LIMIT the reach of BOTH federal and state governments (and all local governments that derive their powers from the state) — in matters of faith.
Science is science, the rational inquiry into a physical, experimental and experiential world. The Book of Genesis is religion. Every religion has a ‘Creation Story’. No amount of deception and legalisms will transform Adam and Eve into ‘Science’.
What our Constitution, Amendments and legal traditions in this country have upheld for decades, and what the right-wing fucktards are challenging, is the right to indoctrinate my children with their Christian beliefs.
Now, I may decide to raise my children a certain way, take them to church every Sunday. That’s fine. I want them to be good kids. I may even believe in Adam and Eve. But I don’t have the right to impose my religious beliefs on other kids in that classroom.
THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.
October 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM #621829Participantjstoesz, the issue we’re talking about isn’t federal spending or reducing pork for corporations and unions.
It involves the teaching of Biblical Creationism in public school science class and decades of settled law surrounding the Establishment Clause that LIMIT the reach of BOTH federal and state governments (and all local governments that derive their powers from the state) — in matters of faith.
Science is science, the rational inquiry into a physical, experimental and experiential world. The Book of Genesis is religion. Every religion has a ‘Creation Story’. No amount of deception and legalisms will transform Adam and Eve into ‘Science’.
What our Constitution, Amendments and legal traditions in this country have upheld for decades, and what the right-wing fucktards are challenging, is the right to indoctrinate my children with their Christian beliefs.
Now, I may decide to raise my children a certain way, take them to church every Sunday. That’s fine. I want them to be good kids. I may even believe in Adam and Eve. But I don’t have the right to impose my religious beliefs on other kids in that classroom.
THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.
October 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM #621951Participantjstoesz, the issue we’re talking about isn’t federal spending or reducing pork for corporations and unions.
It involves the teaching of Biblical Creationism in public school science class and decades of settled law surrounding the Establishment Clause that LIMIT the reach of BOTH federal and state governments (and all local governments that derive their powers from the state) — in matters of faith.
Science is science, the rational inquiry into a physical, experimental and experiential world. The Book of Genesis is religion. Every religion has a ‘Creation Story’. No amount of deception and legalisms will transform Adam and Eve into ‘Science’.
What our Constitution, Amendments and legal traditions in this country have upheld for decades, and what the right-wing fucktards are challenging, is the right to indoctrinate my children with their Christian beliefs.
Now, I may decide to raise my children a certain way, take them to church every Sunday. That’s fine. I want them to be good kids. I may even believe in Adam and Eve. But I don’t have the right to impose my religious beliefs on other kids in that classroom.
THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT.
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