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March 13, 2008 at 5:35 PM #12098
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March 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM #169012
Anonymous
GuestRun away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM #169016
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantWow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.
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March 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM #169032
jpinpb
ParticipantThey’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.
Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).
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March 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM #169061
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
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March 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM #169119
jpinpb
ParticipantGood question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.
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March 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM #169151
NotCranky
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though. -
March 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM #169484
NotCranky
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though. -
March 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM #169487
NotCranky
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though. -
March 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM #169510
NotCranky
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though. -
March 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM #169587
NotCranky
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though. -
March 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM #169449
jpinpb
ParticipantGood question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.
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March 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM #169452
jpinpb
ParticipantGood question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.
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March 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM #169475
jpinpb
ParticipantGood question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.
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March 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM #169552
jpinpb
ParticipantGood question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.
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March 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM #169393
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
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March 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM #169396
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
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March 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM #169420
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
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March 13, 2008 at 7:36 PM #169498
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantIs there any way to un-condominiumize?
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March 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM #169362
jpinpb
ParticipantThey’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.
Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).
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March 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM #169367
jpinpb
ParticipantThey’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.
Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).
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March 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM #169390
jpinpb
ParticipantThey’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.
Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).
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March 13, 2008 at 6:31 PM #169469
jpinpb
ParticipantThey’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.
Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).
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March 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM #169346
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantWow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM #169354
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantWow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM #169375
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantWow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM #169454
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantWow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM #169344
Anonymous
GuestRun away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM #169348
Anonymous
GuestRun away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM #169370
Anonymous
GuestRun away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.
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March 13, 2008 at 5:49 PM #169448
Anonymous
GuestRun away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.
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March 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM #169369
Anonymous
GuestI thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!
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March 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM #169576
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantThanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.
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March 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM #169909
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantThanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.
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March 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM #169912
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantThanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.
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March 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM #169935
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantThanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.
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March 14, 2008 at 12:44 PM #170014
OceanBeachLooking
ParticipantThanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.
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March 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM #169699
Anonymous
GuestI thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!
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March 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM #169703
Anonymous
GuestI thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!
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March 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM #169725
Anonymous
GuestI thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!
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March 14, 2008 at 8:44 AM #169802
Anonymous
GuestI thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!
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