Ocean Beach – Condominiumized?

[OceanBeachLooking]

My wife and I are looking to retire to SD and have been looking at various locations. We are attracted to Ocean Beach and recently looked at a property listed as a “Single Family Property” on the MLS with zoning listed as R1. However, in talking with the agent we are starting to hear that the property is actually condominiumized with a front single family dwelling (the one listed) and with another single family dwelling on the back of the property. We’re confused. Anyone familiar with SD/Ocean Beach property please advise. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Run away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Wow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.

[jpinpb]

They’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.

Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).

[OceanBeachLooking]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

[jpinpb]

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.

[NotCranky]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though.

[NotCranky]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though.

[NotCranky]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though.

[NotCranky]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though.

[NotCranky]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

Good question indeed. This is going to be tough. In many cases these properties used to be fee simple ownership of two or more houses on one parcel(apn) that were “condominiumized” so that the units could be sold separately in the height of the bubble. So returning to that status might be possible but the city would probably want the units to meet current standards for density, setbacks etc or go through a variance process, all likely a real hard deal or impossible. I don’t really see anything but economic loss and emotional suffering in doing such a thing.I believe 2 Condominiums is a”higher and better use” than a 2 on 1.
Getting the property from a condo to separate sell-able fee simple properties is going to be even harder, although it might create more equity. The city always gets money for this stuff and these projects drive the economy a little through employment for third parties such as surveyors and engineers,so with building/development down hard maybe there are less roadblocks than there normally are to getting things done. I doubt it though.

[jpinpb]

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.

[jpinpb]

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.

[jpinpb]

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.

[jpinpb]

Good question. I don’t know if there’s a way. Buying both places is a way to go around it, I guess. One way.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

[OceanBeachLooking]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

[OceanBeachLooking]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

[OceanBeachLooking]

Is there any way to un-condominiumize?

[jpinpb]

They’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.

Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).

[jpinpb]

They’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.

Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).

[jpinpb]

They’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.

Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).

[jpinpb]

They’re doing that in PB too. Splitting the lots. I laugh at the prices, also. It is a recipe for trouble. I don’t know how the city can approve these things, but greed goes everywhere and I’m sure they got some money for the splitting of the lots. The hell w/the homeowners. Let them figure it out.

Can you imagine owning your place and behind you (or in front) the owner rents it out to some college frat kids partying and trashing the place? No thanks. Your recourse, to call the police or absent owner (like he’ll give a crap as long as he gets his rent).

[OceanBeachLooking]

Wow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Wow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Wow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Wow, sounds like a potential disaster. Are there people really buying these places? And by the way, how could it be listed as a single family property rather than a condo? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Run away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.

[Anonymous]

Run away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.

[Anonymous]

Run away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.

[Anonymous]

Run away and don’t look back. As the owner of a condo in a 2-unit condo association, both owners will be bound by the association’s CCR’s but each will be 100% responsible for enforcing said CCR’s against the other owner, along with associated legal costs.

[Anonymous]

I thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!

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[OceanBeachLooking]

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.

[OceanBeachLooking]

Thanks everyone for the great feedback. We’ll give this place a ‘miss’ and keep looking for the right home for our retirement. It would seem that time is on our side.

[Anonymous]

I thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!

-ambletext

[Anonymous]

I thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!

-ambletext

[Anonymous]

I thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!

-ambletext

[Anonymous]

I thought I would chime in here…long time reader, first time poster. I purchased and owned and after 5 years sold one of these single family homes that was “condominiumized” in OB. Luckily, we did not have any of the problems that have been mentioned. This arrangement is not all that uncommon in Ocean Beach or Pacific Beach for that matter…..although, it sounds absolutely bizarre from an out of town perspective. Our lot was split back in the 80’s….they were able to then build a large home in the back (the alley) and sold the small home (our 600 sq foot monster!) on the front of the street. The CCR’s were very generic….basic upkeep, no HOA fees or dues…just general guidelines. In all honesty, the 5 years we lived there we never really saw the owner. The back home was rented out by the original owner….the renters were ok…not great, but ok. A fence divided the two yards. There was an easement where we could access the alley on one side and an easement on the other side where they could access the front of the street. All of it was fenced and gated, so it’s not like someone was cutting through your yard per se. In all honesty, condidering how close homes in OB tend to be, the whole condominium issue was a non-issue for us. One thing you might want to check out is how much you can build up on your part of the lot….if memory serves, the back home had maxed out what it could build, but the front home (ours) still had room for additional sq footage per the city based on the total sq foot of the lot. I may be off there….but it’s been awhile and I recall something like that when speaking to a city building permit issuer at one point. At any rate….my experiece did not mirror some of the poster’s comments and concerns, but that was a different time (2005) and I could see how some of these individual issues could come up. I guess my recommendation is to research carefully, see who the co-owners are, their likelihood of staying or leaving/renting out, etc….but I would not necessarily exclude the property. If you aim for simplicity and the market is certainly different now…it may be better to avoid this type of arrangement. (At the same time….you can get a lot more house for your money in other areas aside from OB…but that’s an individual decision….it’s hard at times to not like OB and I can see why you might want to live there). Best of luck!

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