ObamaCare…coming soon

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[quote=dbapig][quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]

Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?

I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?

Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.[/quote]
Did you even read my post?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[SD Realtor]

[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.[/quote]

Yes I think we can. Again, my argument is not against reform. What I am trying to state is that once this is done, it is quite possible that it can NEVER be undone. Thus to say well if we study it and NOTHING gets done then I think it is preferable then getting something done that could very well be worse. I am in agreement that the country is essentially run by corporations. That while the “intent” is to provide competition to existing plans, it is not a stretch that many of these plans will indeed go away.

Take a look at the Hawaii (Obamas birthstate) mandated healthcare and look what happened there.

My argument is not against reform but it IS FOR a well thought out plan.

Once it is done, we will live with it. I would like to get a much better understanding of it.

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

So is this what you guys are advocating? The *&*&$# bill is so complex that nimbus congressman are not going to even read it. However yes we must pass it because if we do not then nothing will ever pass. I am just sorry I don’t agree with this philosophy. I am sorry that the govt has fkd up in the past but please just have the guy read the damn bill okay?

[Zeitgeist]

Amen to that SDR. I wrote Conyers and told him that if it was too complex and too long for him to have the time to read and understand, then he should not sign it! I was nice. Normally, if a person cannot do their job, they are either over worked or incompetent. I was not sure which one it was, so I just suggested the bill be redone. Maybe they do have too much to read. If that is the case, then they need more time to read it. This is not rocket science.

[Zeitgeist]

Amen to that SDR. I wrote Conyers and told him that if it was too complex and too long for him to have the time to read and understand, then he should not sign it! I was nice. Normally, if a person cannot do their job, they are either over worked or incompetent. I was not sure which one it was, so I just suggested the bill be redone. Maybe they do have too much to read. If that is the case, then they need more time to read it. This is not rocket science.

[Zeitgeist]

Amen to that SDR. I wrote Conyers and told him that if it was too complex and too long for him to have the time to read and understand, then he should not sign it! I was nice. Normally, if a person cannot do their job, they are either over worked or incompetent. I was not sure which one it was, so I just suggested the bill be redone. Maybe they do have too much to read. If that is the case, then they need more time to read it. This is not rocket science.

[Zeitgeist]

Amen to that SDR. I wrote Conyers and told him that if it was too complex and too long for him to have the time to read and understand, then he should not sign it! I was nice. Normally, if a person cannot do their job, they are either over worked or incompetent. I was not sure which one it was, so I just suggested the bill be redone. Maybe they do have too much to read. If that is the case, then they need more time to read it. This is not rocket science.

[Zeitgeist]

Amen to that SDR. I wrote Conyers and told him that if it was too complex and too long for him to have the time to read and understand, then he should not sign it! I was nice. Normally, if a person cannot do their job, they are either over worked or incompetent. I was not sure which one it was, so I just suggested the bill be redone. Maybe they do have too much to read. If that is the case, then they need more time to read it. This is not rocket science.

[blahblahblah]

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

It’s the same as with the Patriot Act. Remember when Michael Moore interviewed Conyers in “Fahrenheit 911” and asked him if he had read the Patriot Act before voting to approve it? He said something to the effect of — “Sit down, my son. We don’t read most of the legislation we vote on.” These bills come out of think tanks funded by corporate interests. Corporate lobbyists jawbone congressmen all day long about the importance of passing the stuff they’ve written and how they’ll be sure to get more campaign contributions if they play along. It’s the best government money can buy!

[blahblahblah]

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

It’s the same as with the Patriot Act. Remember when Michael Moore interviewed Conyers in “Fahrenheit 911” and asked him if he had read the Patriot Act before voting to approve it? He said something to the effect of — “Sit down, my son. We don’t read most of the legislation we vote on.” These bills come out of think tanks funded by corporate interests. Corporate lobbyists jawbone congressmen all day long about the importance of passing the stuff they’ve written and how they’ll be sure to get more campaign contributions if they play along. It’s the best government money can buy!

[blahblahblah]

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

It’s the same as with the Patriot Act. Remember when Michael Moore interviewed Conyers in “Fahrenheit 911” and asked him if he had read the Patriot Act before voting to approve it? He said something to the effect of — “Sit down, my son. We don’t read most of the legislation we vote on.” These bills come out of think tanks funded by corporate interests. Corporate lobbyists jawbone congressmen all day long about the importance of passing the stuff they’ve written and how they’ll be sure to get more campaign contributions if they play along. It’s the best government money can buy!

[blahblahblah]

Here… You have John Conyers himself saying

“What good is reading the bill if it’s a thousand pages and you don’t have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?”

It’s the same as with the Patriot Act. Remember when Michael Moore interviewed Conyers in “Fahrenheit 911” and asked him if he had read the Patriot Act before voting to approve it? He said something to the effect of — “Sit down, my son. We don’t read most of the legislation we vote on.” These bills come out of think tanks funded by corporate interests. Corporate lobbyists jawbone congressmen all day long about the importance of passing the stuff they’ve written and how they’ll be sure to get more campaign contributions if they play along. It’s the best government money can buy!

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