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[quote=flu][quote=briansd1][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian hates Christians, so anyone holding that set of beliefs should be held as an object of ridicule, which then sadly overlooks nearly two millennia of knowledge, including the basis for the Western Canon.[/quote]

I don’t hate Christians. I pity them. They can pray all they want, but they should please stop shoving religion down our collective throats.

Millenia of knowledge or blind faith? Today’s world is science based.

I’m all for meditation, and I myself attempt to be calm and zen. But petitioning God for miracles is coo-coo.[/quote]

Prove God doesn’t exist.[/quote]this is why I find it hilarious for an atheist to rail on religious people for believing in God, when they themselves also believe in the lack of a God. They can’t prove God doesn’t exist just as much as a religious person being able to prove that God does exist.

[briansd1]

I don’t need to prove that God exists because I’m not the petitioning him for miracles.

The burden of proof is on the believers.

Praying all you want but keep religion away from public discourse. End all special rights for religious organizations.

[an]

[quote=briansd1]I don’t need to prove that God exists because I’m not the petitioning him for miracles.

The burden of proof is on the believers.

Praying all you want but keep religion away from public discourse. End all special rights for religious organizations.[/quote]
It wouldn’t be called a belief if you can prove it, now would it? You believe God doesn’t exist. That’s also a belief, because you can’t prove it.

[SK in CV]

[quote=AN]It wouldn’t be called a belief if you can prove it, now would it? You believe God doesn’t exist. That’s also a belief, because you can’t prove it.[/quote]

Some athiests don’t believe that god doesn’t exist. I’m pretty honey badger about the whole thing. I just don’t give a shit.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]Allan, I fail to see how your list proves that prayer is knowledge based.

Scientists who are Christians discovered many things. That speaks to the science itself, not to the religion.

In fact, those scientists knew that research and knowledge was more important than petitioning God for miracles.[/quote]

Why should we assume they didn’t petition god for the skills and intelligence to make those discoveries?

Don’t get me wrong, I think all religions have their wackos including the atheists.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=AN]It wouldn’t be called a belief if you can prove it, now would it? You believe God doesn’t exist. That’s also a belief, because you can’t prove it.[/quote]

Some athiests don’t believe that god doesn’t exist. I’m pretty honey badger about the whole thing. I just don’t give a shit.[/quote]
Good for you. A couple of people I know who are atheists are very adamant that God doesn’t exist and laugh at people for believing in a God that they can’t prove. I shut them up pretty quickly when I ask them to prove that God doesn’t exist, since their belief that God doesn’t exist is no different than those who believe God does exist.

The point is not whether you believe God exist or not. The point is, there are many things in this world today that we still can’t prove. So, many if not all of us have something we believe in, even when we can’t prove it. It doesn’t make you coo-coo for believing in things that can’t be proven.

[briansd1]

Fine, believe whatever you want. But don’t ask me to pay for it with special tax treatments for religious organizations.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=AN]
The point is not whether you believe God exist or not. The point is, there are many things in this world today that we still can’t prove. So, many if not all of us have something we believe in, even when we can’t prove it. It doesn’t make you coo-coo for believing in things that can’t be proven.[/quote]

AN: Brian wants to believe in a modern, science-based “Progressive” world, but you’re correct: There are many, many things in the world we still cannot prove and Science alone does not provide all the answers. Moreover, with “pure” Science you get eugenics, the Tuskegee Experiments and Peter Singer.

I’m sure if you asked Brian, he’d be fully supportive of quantum physics as a discipline, but uncomfortable with how close it strays to spirituality (God Particle, anyone?) in some of its explanations. As it begins the systematic destruction of classical Newtonian physics, it also illustrates that NO science is settled and what we don’t know dwarfs what we do know.

Taking the mendacious approach of denying God simply because you think you’re “too smart”, ignores the role of spirituality (not religion) in science and also robs the world of wonder (by embracing the soulless god of pure science.)

[livinincali]

[quote=AN]

Good for you. A couple of people I know who are atheists are very adamant that God doesn’t exist and laugh at people for believing in a God that they can’t prove. I shut them up pretty quickly when I ask them to prove that God doesn’t exist, since their belief that God doesn’t exist is no different than those who believe God does exist.
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There’s been some great philosophical debates on the existence of god. One of the better ones I heard against the existence of god goes something like this.

You get the believer in the existence of god to agree that god is all powerful, all knowing, and benevolent. Then you say well if that is true then our current society must be the best of all possible societies, which most don’t want to accept. Most people believe there should be or can be a much better world.

You’re left with 3 choices now. Accept that god exists but isn’t the combination of all powerful, all knowing, and benevolent which is usually easiest choice for a believer (It’s not too bad to accept that god might not be as benevolent as you think). Accept that this is the best of all possible societies which a really hard core believer might accept. Accept that god doesn’t exist, which no believer would do if faced with this argument.

[scaredyclassic]

i gotta admit, i do feel better wearing my yarmulke.

We may not be able to to prove the existence or nonexistence of yahweh, but, I think I can prove he’s a pretty cantankerous fellow who sometimes does not care about people and what happens to individuals.

[all]

[quote=AN] I shut them up pretty quickly when I ask them to prove that God doesn’t exist, since their belief that God doesn’t exist is no different than those who believe God does exist.[/quote]

Reminds me of something I heard on a basketball court when I was a kid – you have 50% chance to make any shot – you either make it, or you don’t.

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