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April 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM #12498April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190912
svelte
ParticipantJust as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!
Maybe I should be smug, too!
April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190935svelte
ParticipantJust as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!
Maybe I should be smug, too!
April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190964svelte
ParticipantJust as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!
Maybe I should be smug, too!
April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #190978svelte
ParticipantJust as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!
Maybe I should be smug, too!
April 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM #191025svelte
ParticipantJust as a side note: most every smug Prius owner that I know lives a kajillion miles from work. With my much shorter commute in my car that gets half the gas mileage of a Prius, I am actually using less natural resources than the Prius owner!
Maybe I should be smug, too!
April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190917LarryTheRenter
Participantyou are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…
ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..
April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190940LarryTheRenter
Participantyou are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…
ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..
April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190969LarryTheRenter
Participantyou are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…
ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..
April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #190983LarryTheRenter
Participantyou are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…
ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..
April 20, 2008 at 2:26 PM #191030LarryTheRenter
Participantyou are very right….Alot of being green is just “feel good” stuff….Saw Leonardo Decaprio buying into a new “green” multi-million dollar condo tower in Manhattan on CNN….Why not just not build the damn thing in the first place if you really want to be green…
ALso just like this whole biofeul debacle..All it is doing is causing food prices to rise and using up alot of carbon atoms to fertilize, farm and transport the corn..
April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #190972SDEngineer
ParticipantWell, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.
The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.
April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #190996SDEngineer
ParticipantWell, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.
The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.
April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #191024SDEngineer
ParticipantWell, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.
The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.
April 20, 2008 at 4:14 PM #191038SDEngineer
ParticipantWell, biofuel does have the one advantage that it’s not releasing “trapped” carbon – growing the plants for the fuel fixes the same amount of carbon from the atmosphere that it releases once burned – to that extent, it’s largely zero-sum, as opposed to burning oil, which was nicely sequestered in long term deposits. It’s really not a good long term solution though because as you noted, every hectare used to grow fuel crops is one fewer hectare that can be used to grow food crops, thus it results in inflation of food costs.
The future will probably go more towards a hydrogen economy with the energy to crack that hydrogen provided by solar, nuclear, wind, and geothermal sources – but thats still quite a ways off.
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