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December 4, 2011 at 8:28 PM #734019December 4, 2011 at 8:32 PM #734020
markmax33
Guest[quote=flu][quote=markmax33][quote=Hobie]Flu hit it with the one man comment. This the exact reason that Ross Perot lost. Top dog running a company is a dictatorship and you don’t have that with congress. Gotta work with congress. I’m not convinced Ron Paul can do that; and many people agree. That alone trumps any of his positions on the issues.
Speaking of Trump…. what say Ron???[/quote]
I need to Flu to agree with me on the suicide bomber’s motivation from the CIA and DOD and then I can describe what Ron Paul can do. It is really simple, you just have never thought of it.[/quote]
Yes yes, I’ve seen and read the Ron Paul viewpoints, and our disasterous middle east record.
You still didn’t answer my question. What would Ron Paul do when military action is needed? Try to “befriend” the other side??? That’s right, you have no answer..He ain’t going to win on the GOP ticket, because too many people perceive him as being weak. You can’t “befriend” irrational people. And this world is filled with irrationale people.
BTW: any politician that wants to last in this country knows damn well not to go against the grain when it comes to Israel, unless he/she wants to commit political suicide. Paul’s stance on Israel isn’t going to cut it. No surprise why media isn’t going give him the time and day…If you don’t know why, then you are just too naive…[/quote]
Again you call names like a child and don’t even know his stance. Ron Paul would go to the Congress and get the war authorized per constitution. He voted for the Bin Laden measure in 2001. You just aren’t educated on the topic Flu. Do you like going into wars that legal?
You are correct Ron Paul wants to trade with countries and not create enemies by imposing trade sanctions on them. That always leads to harsh feelings and war. Ron Paul didn’t invent that idea either. I’m not sure why you keep saying that. It was the ideas of the founding fathers. Can’t you do better than that Flu? You don’t come across very well right now.
If you’re so smart on Ron Paul, what is his stance on Israel?
December 4, 2011 at 9:00 PM #734022Guest[quote=Hobie]Bet me.
Don’t sidestep my point. Why did RP puss out with a debate moderated by Trump? Moderated??? ~s~NO~~w balls.[/quote]I’m sure you read the news. Do you take Trump seriously? He’s kind of a disgrace. He disgraced the Iowan voters earlier in the year when he bailed on an appearance and Ron Paul said that he would attend if Trump apologized and paid for it. I’m not sure how your are poking fun at Ron Paul when Trump was so offensive to the voters? You know Trump is doing this for publicity and it is going to be a spectacle. How would any legitimate candidate show up to a Trump debate?
December 4, 2011 at 9:01 PM #734021
CoronitaParticipant[quote=markmax33][quote=flu][quote=markmax33][quote=Hobie]Flu hit it with the one man comment. This the exact reason that Ross Perot lost. Top dog running a company is a dictatorship and you don’t have that with congress. Gotta work with congress. I’m not convinced Ron Paul can do that; and many people agree. That alone trumps any of his positions on the issues.
Speaking of Trump…. what say Ron???[/quote]
I need to Flu to agree with me on the suicide bomber’s motivation from the CIA and DOD and then I can describe what Ron Paul can do. It is really simple, you just have never thought of it.[/quote]
Yes yes, I’ve seen and read the Ron Paul viewpoints, and our disasterous middle east record.
You still didn’t answer my question. What would Ron Paul do when military action is needed? Try to “befriend” the other side??? That’s right, you have no answer..He ain’t going to win on the GOP ticket, because too many people perceive him as being weak. You can’t “befriend” irrational people. And this world is filled with irrationale people.
BTW: any politician that wants to last in this country knows damn well not to go against the grain when it comes to Israel, unless he/she wants to commit political suicide. Paul’s stance on Israel isn’t going to cut it. No surprise why media isn’t going give him the time and day…If you don’t know why, then you are just too naive…[/quote]
Again you call names like a child and don’t even know his stance. Ron Paul would go to the Congress and get the war authorized per constitution. He voted for the Bin Laden measure in 2001. You just aren’t educated on the topic Flu. Do you like going into wars that legal?
You are correct Ron Paul wants to trade with countries and not create enemies by imposing trade sanctions on them. That always leads to harsh feelings and war. Ron Paul didn’t invent that idea either. I’m not sure why you keep saying that. It was the ideas of the founding fathers. Can’t you do better than that Flu? You don’t come across very well right now.[/quote]
Wow, someone who has a self-proclaimed “MBA” with a thesis (Imagine that!) and from a family with PHD and MS (wow, you’re so smart, can I worship you), sure is naive when it comes to understanding why Ron Paul won’t ever get airtime….
Here’s a hint…
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-jewish-republicans/2011/12/04/id/419910
I think the U.S. currently sends about $3 billion (give and take) to Israel each year in guaranteed funding….Maybe you need to spend more time figuring out why that’s the case and why it hasn’t stopped…. And Israel is just one of many many many “interesting” examples…. Ignoring all special interests group is definitely the first step to political suicide in the U.S.
Ron Paul’s stance on Israel is the following.. Non-intervention.. And i quote
” Our foreign military aid to Israel is actually more like corporate welfare to the U.S. military industrial complex, as Israel is forced to purchase only U.S. products with the assistance. We send almost twice as much aid to other countries in the Middle East, which only insures increased militarization and the drive toward war.We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defen” Our foreign military aid to Israel is actually more like corporate welfare to the U.S. military industrial complex, as Israel is forced to purchase only U.S. products with the assistance. We send almost twice as much aid to other countries in the Middle East, which only insures increased militarization and the drive toward war.
We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defense. On foreign policy as well, the U.S. steps in to prevent Israel from engaging in dialogue with nations of which the U.S. administration disapproves.[
se. On foreign policy as well, the U.S. steps in to prevent Israel from engaging in dialogue with nations of which the U.S. administration disapproves.
Would you like the longer version too? Like I said all this “befriend” everyone and sing kumbaya ain’t going to cut it.
Obama is going to win..And you know, given the options today, it’s probably the best choice that leads to an effective government by essentially making the government closer to being deadlocked and being ineffective at making extreme decisions.
December 4, 2011 at 9:07 PM #734023Guest[quote=flu][quote=markmax33][quote=flu][quote=markmax33][quote=Hobie]Flu hit it with the one man comment. This the exact reason that Ross Perot lost. Top dog running a company is a dictatorship and you don’t have that with congress. Gotta work with congress. I’m not convinced Ron Paul can do that; and many people agree. That alone trumps any of his positions on the issues.
Speaking of Trump…. what say Ron???[/quote]
I need to Flu to agree with me on the suicide bomber’s motivation from the CIA and DOD and then I can describe what Ron Paul can do. It is really simple, you just have never thought of it.[/quote]
Yes yes, I’ve seen and read the Ron Paul viewpoints, and our disasterous middle east record.
You still didn’t answer my question. What would Ron Paul do when military action is needed? Try to “befriend” the other side??? That’s right, you have no answer..He ain’t going to win on the GOP ticket, because too many people perceive him as being weak. You can’t “befriend” irrational people. And this world is filled with irrationale people.
BTW: any politician that wants to last in this country knows damn well not to go against the grain when it comes to Israel, unless he/she wants to commit political suicide. Paul’s stance on Israel isn’t going to cut it. No surprise why media isn’t going give him the time and day…If you don’t know why, then you are just too naive…[/quote]
Again you call names like a child and don’t even know his stance. Ron Paul would go to the Congress and get the war authorized per constitution. He voted for the Bin Laden measure in 2001. You just aren’t educated on the topic Flu. Do you like going into wars that legal?
You are correct Ron Paul wants to trade with countries and not create enemies by imposing trade sanctions on them. That always leads to harsh feelings and war. Ron Paul didn’t invent that idea either. I’m not sure why you keep saying that. It was the ideas of the founding fathers. Can’t you do better than that Flu? You don’t come across very well right now.[/quote]
Wow, someone who has a self-proclaimed “MBA” with a thesis (Imagine that!) and from a family with PHD and MS (wow, you’re so smart, can I worship you), sure is naive when it comes to understanding why Ron Paul won’t ever get airtime….
Here’s a hint…
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/ron-paul-jewish-republicans/2011/12/04/id/419910
I think the U.S. currently sends about $3 billion (give and take) to Israel each year in guaranteed funding….Maybe you need to spend more time figuring out why that’s the case and why it hasn’t stopped…. And Israel is just one of many many many “interesting” examples…. Ignoring all special interests group is definitely the first step to political suicide in the U.S.
Ron Paul’s stance on Israel is the following.. Non-intervention.. And i quote
” Our foreign military aid to Israel is actually more like corporate welfare to the U.S. military industrial complex, as Israel is forced to purchase only U.S. products with the assistance. We send almost twice as much aid to other countries in the Middle East, which only insures increased militarization and the drive toward war.We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defen” Our foreign military aid to Israel is actually more like corporate welfare to the U.S. military industrial complex, as Israel is forced to purchase only U.S. products with the assistance. We send almost twice as much aid to other countries in the Middle East, which only insures increased militarization and the drive toward war.
We have adopted a foreign policy that has left Israel surrounded by militaristic nations while undermining Israel’s sovereignty by demanding that its foreign and defense policies be essentially pre-approved in Washington. That is a bad deal for Israel, as sovereign nations must determine on their own what is a most appropriate national defense. On foreign policy as well, the U.S. steps in to prevent Israel from engaging in dialogue with nations of which the U.S. administration disapproves.[
se. On foreign policy as well, the U.S. steps in to prevent Israel from engaging in dialogue with nations of which the U.S. administration disapproves.
Would you like the longer version too? Like I said all this “befriend” everyone and sing kumbaya ain’t going to cut it.
Obama is going to win..And you know, given the options today, it’s probably the best choice that leads to an effective government by essentially making the government closer to being deadlocked and being ineffective at making extreme decisions.[/quote]
Did you know that we give 8X the money to Israel’s enemies in foreign aid as we give Israel? We tell Israel how to negotiate her borders and tell her who she can bomb. How are we helping Israel? Are you even paying attention Flu? Your ideas are very extreme and don’t make much sense.
Lastly, why do we spend our blood and money to protect Israel with tax dollars? It’s not authorized in the constitution. What kind of sense does it make? What has Israel done for us? Why can’t the private citizens of the US donate to the homeland instead of taxing the rest of the population that doesn’t care about them? Are the 85% of Americans that don’t care about Israel anti-Semites because we don’t want to send foreign aid over there?
December 4, 2011 at 9:31 PM #734025Arraya
ParticipantWe don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. Obama just motioned in the direction of asking Israel to abide by international law and AIPAC spit venom all over the idea and shit money all over congress. Cairo speech Obama was quickly killed by Israel.
Though, Israel is probably the reason RP gets no airtime.
December 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM #734026Participant[quote=markmax33]
Did you know that we give 8X the money to Israel’s enemies in foreign aid as we give Israel? [/quote]
Which countriesDecember 4, 2011 at 9:41 PM #734027Guest[quote=Arraya]We don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. Obama just motioned in the direction of asking Israel to abide by international law and AIPAC spit venom all over the idea and shit money all over congress. Cairo speech Obama was quickly killed by Israel.
Though, Israel is probably the reason RP gets no airtime.[/quote]
Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.
December 4, 2011 at 9:46 PM #734028Guest[quote=Arraya][quote=markmax33]
Did you know that we give 8X the money to Israel’s enemies in foreign aid as we give Israel? [/quote]
Which countrieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid%5B/quote%5D
All the countries that are Muslim in the middle east if you add them up came to 8X. It was from an article from 2005 so things may have changed. When we eventually cut ties with Iraq and Afghanistan they will not be allies of Israel. Ron Paul’s thing says 2X, I guess things have changed or maybe it depends who is Israel’s enemy.
We’d be better off eliminate all aid to all of the countries and let them figure it out.
December 4, 2011 at 9:49 PM #734029SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]We don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. [/quote]
I really want to take this off topic, but you’ve bought into a narrative that isn’t quite consistent with facts. Israel’s borders haven’t changed for over 60 years since it declared it’s independence after it accepted a UN partition plan which was rejected by every surrounding political body and war on Israel was declared by each of them.
December 4, 2011 at 9:50 PM #734030Participant[quote=markmax33]Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]
Fucking racist bigot. You should be banned for spewing that Nazi propaganda.
December 4, 2011 at 10:19 PM #734031CoronitaParticipant[quote=markmax33]
Again it’s a shame 15% of the population controls that much of the media and controls the other 85%. That’s not what America was built on. Jewish Americans should be called anti-American when they attack us and control our media.[/quote]WTF? I thought the principle of what this country was built on was anyone could own any business…And I hope you’re not suggesting the Government does something about this, because that would be soooooo anti-Ron Paul principle.
But my point was, didn’t they teach you in your MBA program why there are so many different lobbying groups in Washington for? Why do you think ATT, Google, Intel, etc have lobbying groups? Why is there an lobbying group for Israel, why are there lobbying groups for Oil companies, tobacco companies, and why there is a lobbying group for Saudia Arabia? How is Ron Paul going to address all these? Just say no? Yeah, that’s going to get him elected….
Ron Paul can’t be a one man team. His foreign policy is going to make him unpopular among many many special interest groups, and that will doom him.
December 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM #734032CoronitaParticipantLol…. I thought this piece was classic from 2007…
A Ban on Ron Paul Supporters
By KATE PHILLIPSThe right-leaning side of the blogosphere, and especially some of the leading Repub-blogs, have been ablaze over the decision by RedState.com to bar comments and diaries from those enthusiastically Web-savvy and driven backers of Representative Ron Paul.
To recap first of all, Leon Wolfe over at RedState, under a headline that included “Life Is Really Not Fair,” wrote on Monday:
Effective immediately, new users may *not* shill for Ron Paul in any way shape, form or fashion. Not in comments, not in diaries, nada. If your account is less than 6 months old, you can talk about something else, you can participate in the other threads and be your zany libertarian self all you want, but you cannot pimp Ron Paul. Those with accounts more than six months old may proceed as normal.
Now, I could offer a long-winded explanation for *why* this new policy is being instituted, but I’m guessing that most of you can probably guess. Unless you lack the self-awareness to understand just how annoying, time-consuming, and bandwidth-wasting responding to the same idiotic arguments from a bunch of liberals pretending to be Republicans can be. Which, judging by your comment history, you really don’t understand, so allow me to offer an alternate explanation: we are a bunch of fascists and we’re upset that you’ve discovered where we keep the black helicopters, so we’re silencing you in an attempt to keep you from warning the rest of your brethren so we can round you all up and send you to re-education camps all at once.
December 4, 2011 at 10:43 PM #734033Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=Arraya]We don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. [/quote]
I really want to take this off topic, but you’ve bought into a narrative that isn’t quite consistent with facts. Israel’s borders haven’t changed for over 60 years since it declared it’s independence after it accepted a UN partition plan which was rejected by every surrounding political body and war on Israel was declared by each of them.[/quote]
They’ve been expanding settlements since the 70s. [img_assist|nid=14216|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=376|height=250]
The UN partition plan was not a good deal for the indigenous.
December 4, 2011 at 11:20 PM #734034KSMountain
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=Arraya]We don’t tell Israel anything about her borders – they have been breaking international law and expanding since inception, with every president since Ford(and all world leaders) asking them to stop. [/quote]
I really want to take this off topic, but you’ve bought into a narrative that isn’t quite consistent with facts. Israel’s borders haven’t changed for over 60 years since it declared it’s independence after it accepted a UN partition plan which was rejected by every surrounding political body and war on Israel was declared by each of them.[/quote]
Wait SK. It seems to me Israel’s borders changed *immensely* after the six-day war, which was 44 years ago. They drove all the way to the Suez Canal. Isn’t it true that they also captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights in that war? Not all of that territory has been “returned”.Here’s a link to a graphic, I don’t know how to do the cool image thing Arraya did:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Six_Day_War_Terrritories_2.pngAm I missing some way that that is not a change of borders?
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