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August 18, 2022 at 4:22 PM #826593August 18, 2022 at 5:35 PM #826594scaredyclassicParticipant
[quote=flyer]Yes, Scaredy, I think most of us who are aware of the issues facing the future of our earth are trying to do all we can as individuals, but, until ALL of the major players, per the link below, globally, are on board and are taking action to make changes, our individual efforts will remain a drop in the bucket. That said, we all have to keep trying.
https://news.yahoo.com/what-are-the-major-contributors-to-climate-change-204535627.html%5B/quote%5D
Really? Doing all we can do? Really?
MARC maron riffing on the subject, “we did everything we could”. pretty funny.
not one less airplane trip. gotta get to europe, before the world ends.
It is absolutely immoral to eat any meat or dairy at this moment in time.
August 18, 2022 at 6:19 PM #826596flyerParticipantYes, scaredy, short of not living, we are trying to do everything we can, but, apparently, we are grossly uninformed, so please let us all know exactly what you and any other “authorities” you would care to quote, are doing to save the earth, and we can all try to follow suit. I’ll make sure we definitely make some life changes based upon your suggestions, so not to worry.
August 18, 2022 at 6:30 PM #826597scaredyclassicParticipantThe percentage of greenhouse gases from meat alone not dairy contributing to global warming is disputed but the UN says 15percebt. Others say considerably higher…25-30 percent. Google meat and global warming. Not an obscure topic. Dairy is a fucking nightmare.
Simple to stop it all instantly. Just….stop…
August 18, 2022 at 9:54 PM #826598flyerParticipantWe’ve pretty much checked those boxes also + water conservation, electric cars, along with others which are now used less, biking + e-bikes for longer jaunts, green appliances, green heating and cooling systems, gardening, all organic foods for the most part, no plastic or single use–and that’s the short list.
The airlines are definitely polluters, but, like most, we still fly, and hope to see the new supersonics around 2030, which “may” be carbon neutral. Used to fly on the Concorde, and, although not climate friendly, definitely fantastic experiences. American Airlines, from which I retired early in my 50’s a couple of years ago, offered great pilot retirement packages during the pandemic, and have now just ordered 20 supersonics this week.
Will new N.C.-made supersonic jets really be carbon-neutral? It depends, experts say
August 19, 2022 at 12:18 AM #826599anParticipantNuclear war killing off 1/2 of the earth population and the other 1/2 experience a depression worst than a great depression will solve it. We all could go back to mud hut and farm for our own food. Hunter and gatherer roots.
August 19, 2022 at 6:28 AM #826600scaredyclassicParticipantPeople hate any change. Just asking people to give up cars and meat isn’t quite mud huts …
It’s all so sick.
August 19, 2022 at 1:36 PM #826601anParticipantEvolution suck. Damn you science.
August 19, 2022 at 7:27 PM #826607flyerParticipantYes, nothing and no one lasts forever. We can also add this scenario to our possible apocalyptic future, but there is still some hope:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/weather/california-megaflood-study/index.html
August 23, 2022 at 1:59 PM #826617gzzParticipantFlyer, I don’t think the supersonic plane is actually going to happen.
A large passenger jet realistically costs over $15 billion to get to the production stage, and profits are so thin this requires massive gov subsidies to even hit breakeven.
What the market really wants is cheap, even if is a little slower and more crowded. The other big trend is the decline of hub and spoke.
Personally I don’t mind the normal transatlantic flight time. Have a meal, watch a movie, take a nap, and I’m there.
Now my two transpacific flights I’d pay extra to shorten. All four of my Transpacific legs were LAX to Taipei on China Air.
August 23, 2022 at 7:10 PM #826619flyerParticipantShould be interesting to see if it does happen, as orders are being taken by the major carriers, per:
We lived all over the world when I was flying internationally early in my career, after college, (until I was senior enough to call it in on reserve and fly about once a month, lol.) Have also flown many private jets, so I think the market is there, especially among a certain niche.
Imo, they won’t need the masses looking for cheap fares to be successful. Along with others in their target demographic, a considerable number of private jet owners would love to get rid of their expenses, and yet, still enjoy a luxury experience. I know we, and many others, enjoyed flying on the supersonic Concorde, which was retired in 2003, so I’m optimistic about this new incarnation, but only time will tell.
August 27, 2022 at 1:29 PM #826639phasterParticipant[quote=flyer]
The airlines are definitely polluters, but, like most, we still fly, and hope to see the new supersonics around 2030, which “may” be carbon neutral. Used to fly on the Concorde, and, although not climate friendly, definitely fantastic experiences. American Airlines, from which I retired early in my 50’s a couple of years ago, offered great pilot retirement packages during the pandemic, and have now just ordered 20 supersonics this week.Will new N.C.-made supersonic jets really be carbon-neutral? It depends, experts say
[/quote]IMHO new supersonic transports around 2030 won’t happen AND the technical reason being before an airframe can be built, one needs a suitable power plant from a manufacturer such as GE, rolls-royce or pratt & whitney
long story short none of these companies is going to bet the farm on developing a suitable power plant for a supersonic transport so dreams of mach 1+ travel,… is just more wishful thinking
sure flying is fun but ever stop and realize that the majority of humanity has never traveled in an airplane???
actually started flying myself (as a pilot) while still in high school, and have always been interested in flying (starting off as a toddler) because basically one of my uncles had an aircraft charter service (and the family lived on an airfield)
then there is the fact my dad and his friends were aero space engineers,… so I grew up listening to stories of how the j58 was tested to destruction in a pratt & whitney test cell so “operational” data could be obtained
FYI the j58 was used on something people might have heard of,… the YF12 and its more famous relative the SR71 “blackbird”
anyway years ago had an epiphany that that my flying hobby is pretty environmentally destructive when I was in a yak 52 and just for shits and giggle did a quick chemical combustion calculation
basically the yak @ takeoff power settings burns 35 GPH,… so since burning one gal of gasoline releases about 20 lbs of CO2,… just flying round the pattern for touch & go’s releases large amounts of CO2 (that will stay in the atmosphere for upwards of a thousand years “trapping infrared” radiation)
bottom line,… because of humanity releasing thousands of gigatons of CO2 which traps “infrared” radiation,… this is causing,…
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Yes, nothing and no one lasts forever. We can also add this scenario to our possible apocalyptic future, but there is still some hope:https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/weather/california-megaflood-study/index.html
[/quote]as a pilot calculating fuel burn becomes second nature because if an aircraft runs out of gas, it no longer is able to stay aloft
same idea should be applied to “water”
in other words if we burn up our supply of water,… organized society “crashes”
PS a megaflood (in california) due to atmospheric rivers causing all kinds of damage is just another example of people in general not considering (or preparing for) systemic failures,… said another way, as a pilot you have trained to deal w/ various emergencies,… point being people have not trained to deal w/ climatic emergencies so at some point “shit will hit the fan” and create an avoidable catastrophe
August 27, 2022 at 6:31 PM #826640flyerParticipantYou definitely make some very good points, and as a person with degrees from MIT, I definitely could have made other career choices, but flying and real estate investment were in my blood, so, I went with those. Retired early from American Airlines during the pandemic, but will continue in real estate investment until we pass everything along to our kids
Knowing what I know now, my choices would have likely been different wrt aviation. Other than continuing to fly, in both our professional and personal lives, we’ve gone about as green as you can go, but that’s still just a drop in the bucket. Every person and every industry will need to be on board in order to save our planet, and profound changes will be required from each. Only time will tell if our efforts were successful.
August 28, 2022 at 6:52 AM #826641scaredyclassicParticipant[quote=flyer]You definitely make some very good points, and as a person with degrees from MIT, I definitely could have made other career choices, but flying and real estate investment were in my blood, so, I went with those. Retired early from American Airlines during the pandemic, but will continue in real estate investment until we pass everything along to our kids
Knowing what I know now, my choices would have likely been different wrt aviation. Other than continuing to fly, in both our professional and personal lives, we’ve gone about as green as you can go, but that’s still just a drop in the bucket. Every person and every industry will need to be on board in order to save our planet, and profound changes will be required from each. Only time will tell if our efforts were successful.[/quote]
Unless each person gives up meat, cars, buying shit and having kids, we are screwed, which means we are screwed. I hate cars and I still need to use one next week.
Fuck it, let’s just get on with it and all go to heaven, where the supplies are plentiful. The suckers after us can deal with it.
August 28, 2022 at 4:53 PM #826642flyerParticipantI’m afraid you might be right, scaredy, but we can all keep trying.
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