Mandolin Del Sur

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]
You’d be interested in an HOA rule under the Torrey Hills Master Association.

Paraphrased:

“No owner shall convert his/her garage into a place of storage and vehicles shall not be parked on the drive unless there are more vehicles than can be accomodated inside the garage.”

Basically, this means if you unless you have 3+ cars or drive a Hummer H1, technically you’re suppose to garage all your cars before you start parking on the driveway…Fortunately, this rule is never enforced. But it does make a convenient excuse for getting a third or fourth car 🙂

There are no rules against car washing.

[/quote]
Does this apply to all of Torrey Hills? If that’s the case, I don’t think I can ever live there. I’m kind of a pack rat, so I like to keep things in my garage, just in case I need it in the future. I guess you can’t be a pack rat and live in these new communities huh? What if you’re in the process of remodeling and you’re using your garage as a place to store all of your materials?[/quote]

Well different parts of “Torrey Hills” are under different HOA’s. Torrey Hills MA is actually the lesser of the HOA nazi’s. They have a bunch of rules, but unless you have a pesky neighbor that complains, they really don’t enforce that much. So plenty of neighbors are a pack rat and park both of their cars outside. Fortunately, there aren’t a lot of retired old seniors here who just report people…. IF you started working on your car with the garage door open, you might get a few evil eyes but no one is going to say anything. Putting a clunker on the driveway on blocks would be a no-no though. (I think it’s a san diego law anyway that you can’t do that)

Parts that border the Carmel Country Highland (I know, I get a kick out of the name too…what’s next Carmel Valley Plateau?) are under a different HOA…I heard those HOA’s are HOA nazi’s. I have friends that live in Derby Hills/Saratoga area and they routinely get letters from the HOA…Anything from leaving your trash cans out too long for 1 extra day…To your contractors hanging too large of an advertising sign outside while he’s remodeling.

[UCGal]

[quote=PKMAN]As my HOA explains:
No parking on driveway if the length of the driveway is less than that of the car. HOA does not want the car to extend out to the sidewalk. But then again, most driveways in the community are less than 15 feet, OK for small cars, barely adequate for mid-size and simply aren’t sufficient for full-size and pickups. And yes, most families have garage full of stuffs and thus could only park one car in it, or none at all. This is one rule that most residences will not support and thus everybody’s ignoring it so far.[/quote]

Just an FYI – It’s illegal in California to block the sidewalk with your car. The issue is for disabled… not to mention moms with strollers, kids on bikes, etc.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22500.htm

22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places:
< snip >
(e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced, or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway.

(f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches.

[UCGal]

[quote=PKMAN]As my HOA explains:
No parking on driveway if the length of the driveway is less than that of the car. HOA does not want the car to extend out to the sidewalk. But then again, most driveways in the community are less than 15 feet, OK for small cars, barely adequate for mid-size and simply aren’t sufficient for full-size and pickups. And yes, most families have garage full of stuffs and thus could only park one car in it, or none at all. This is one rule that most residences will not support and thus everybody’s ignoring it so far.[/quote]

Just an FYI – It’s illegal in California to block the sidewalk with your car. The issue is for disabled… not to mention moms with strollers, kids on bikes, etc.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22500.htm

22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places:
< snip >
(e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced, or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway.

(f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches.

[UCGal]

[quote=PKMAN]As my HOA explains:
No parking on driveway if the length of the driveway is less than that of the car. HOA does not want the car to extend out to the sidewalk. But then again, most driveways in the community are less than 15 feet, OK for small cars, barely adequate for mid-size and simply aren’t sufficient for full-size and pickups. And yes, most families have garage full of stuffs and thus could only park one car in it, or none at all. This is one rule that most residences will not support and thus everybody’s ignoring it so far.[/quote]

Just an FYI – It’s illegal in California to block the sidewalk with your car. The issue is for disabled… not to mention moms with strollers, kids on bikes, etc.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22500.htm

22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places:
< snip >
(e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced, or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway.

(f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches.

[UCGal]

[quote=PKMAN]As my HOA explains:
No parking on driveway if the length of the driveway is less than that of the car. HOA does not want the car to extend out to the sidewalk. But then again, most driveways in the community are less than 15 feet, OK for small cars, barely adequate for mid-size and simply aren’t sufficient for full-size and pickups. And yes, most families have garage full of stuffs and thus could only park one car in it, or none at all. This is one rule that most residences will not support and thus everybody’s ignoring it so far.[/quote]

Just an FYI – It’s illegal in California to block the sidewalk with your car. The issue is for disabled… not to mention moms with strollers, kids on bikes, etc.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22500.htm

22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places:
< snip >
(e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced, or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway.

(f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches.

[UCGal]

[quote=PKMAN]As my HOA explains:
No parking on driveway if the length of the driveway is less than that of the car. HOA does not want the car to extend out to the sidewalk. But then again, most driveways in the community are less than 15 feet, OK for small cars, barely adequate for mid-size and simply aren’t sufficient for full-size and pickups. And yes, most families have garage full of stuffs and thus could only park one car in it, or none at all. This is one rule that most residences will not support and thus everybody’s ignoring it so far.[/quote]

Just an FYI – It’s illegal in California to block the sidewalk with your car. The issue is for disabled… not to mention moms with strollers, kids on bikes, etc.

http://dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc22500.htm

22500. No person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle whether attended or unattended, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the directions of a peace officer or official traffic control device, in any of the following places:
< snip >
(e) In front of a public or private driveway, except that a bus engaged as a common carrier, schoolbus, or a taxicab may stop to load or unload passengers when authorized by local authorities pursuant to an ordinance.

In unincorporated territory, where the entrance of a private road or driveway is not delineated by an opening in a curb or by other curb construction, so much of the surface of the ground as is paved, surfaced, or otherwise plainly marked by vehicle use as a private road or driveway entrance, shall constitute a driveway.

(f) On any portion of a sidewalk, or with the body of the vehicle extending over any portion of a sidewalk, except electric carts when authorized by local ordinance, as specified in Section 21114.5. Lights, mirrors, or devices that are required to be mounted upon a vehicle under this code may extend from the body of the vehicle over the sidewalk to a distance of not more than 10 inches.

[Ren]

[quote=SandraL][quote=Ren]
HOAs can be a good thing. They prevent your neighbor from painting his house purple, or parking a giant boat in his front yard.
[/quote]
As one of those evil people who painted their house purple, I think HOA’s are for jerks who need a better hobby than getting their undies in a wad over decor differences. I’m all for keeping people from letting their property turn into a trash pile, but there’s a line that gets crossed when people start to nitpick over crap like basketball hoops in the front or house color. HOA’s are all too often run by conservative Nazi’s with nothing better to do than make sure their neighbors are following the “rules.”[/quote]

I never said anyone was evil. HOAs are useful for the jerks, like me, who DO appreciate a neighborhood that is kept aesthetically pleasing. Some neighborhoods are designed from the ground up with this in mind, and they look great the way they are. For those types of neighborhoods, one person painting their house purple would ruin the look that us jerks enjoy and even hurt resale values. For people who aren’t that into appearances, there are plenty of HOA-free neighborhoods to choose from. I live in one now, thankfully temporarily, where a brown house with a waist-high brown lawn is right next to a sky-blue house with a white picket fence, which is next to a yellow house with what looks like a tugboat in the driveway, and let’s not forget the house across the street, with the life-sized horse statue in the front yard. You might call it “character”, but tastes are subjective, and I think it looks like crap. Luckily there is enough variety that everyone can find a neighborhood they like.

Of course, HOAs do sometimes cross the line into Nazism, which is why it’s a good idea to know their rules before buying.

[Ren]

[quote=SandraL][quote=Ren]
HOAs can be a good thing. They prevent your neighbor from painting his house purple, or parking a giant boat in his front yard.
[/quote]
As one of those evil people who painted their house purple, I think HOA’s are for jerks who need a better hobby than getting their undies in a wad over decor differences. I’m all for keeping people from letting their property turn into a trash pile, but there’s a line that gets crossed when people start to nitpick over crap like basketball hoops in the front or house color. HOA’s are all too often run by conservative Nazi’s with nothing better to do than make sure their neighbors are following the “rules.”[/quote]

I never said anyone was evil. HOAs are useful for the jerks, like me, who DO appreciate a neighborhood that is kept aesthetically pleasing. Some neighborhoods are designed from the ground up with this in mind, and they look great the way they are. For those types of neighborhoods, one person painting their house purple would ruin the look that us jerks enjoy and even hurt resale values. For people who aren’t that into appearances, there are plenty of HOA-free neighborhoods to choose from. I live in one now, thankfully temporarily, where a brown house with a waist-high brown lawn is right next to a sky-blue house with a white picket fence, which is next to a yellow house with what looks like a tugboat in the driveway, and let’s not forget the house across the street, with the life-sized horse statue in the front yard. You might call it “character”, but tastes are subjective, and I think it looks like crap. Luckily there is enough variety that everyone can find a neighborhood they like.

Of course, HOAs do sometimes cross the line into Nazism, which is why it’s a good idea to know their rules before buying.

[Ren]

[quote=SandraL][quote=Ren]
HOAs can be a good thing. They prevent your neighbor from painting his house purple, or parking a giant boat in his front yard.
[/quote]
As one of those evil people who painted their house purple, I think HOA’s are for jerks who need a better hobby than getting their undies in a wad over decor differences. I’m all for keeping people from letting their property turn into a trash pile, but there’s a line that gets crossed when people start to nitpick over crap like basketball hoops in the front or house color. HOA’s are all too often run by conservative Nazi’s with nothing better to do than make sure their neighbors are following the “rules.”[/quote]

I never said anyone was evil. HOAs are useful for the jerks, like me, who DO appreciate a neighborhood that is kept aesthetically pleasing. Some neighborhoods are designed from the ground up with this in mind, and they look great the way they are. For those types of neighborhoods, one person painting their house purple would ruin the look that us jerks enjoy and even hurt resale values. For people who aren’t that into appearances, there are plenty of HOA-free neighborhoods to choose from. I live in one now, thankfully temporarily, where a brown house with a waist-high brown lawn is right next to a sky-blue house with a white picket fence, which is next to a yellow house with what looks like a tugboat in the driveway, and let’s not forget the house across the street, with the life-sized horse statue in the front yard. You might call it “character”, but tastes are subjective, and I think it looks like crap. Luckily there is enough variety that everyone can find a neighborhood they like.

Of course, HOAs do sometimes cross the line into Nazism, which is why it’s a good idea to know their rules before buying.

[Ren]

[quote=SandraL][quote=Ren]
HOAs can be a good thing. They prevent your neighbor from painting his house purple, or parking a giant boat in his front yard.
[/quote]
As one of those evil people who painted their house purple, I think HOA’s are for jerks who need a better hobby than getting their undies in a wad over decor differences. I’m all for keeping people from letting their property turn into a trash pile, but there’s a line that gets crossed when people start to nitpick over crap like basketball hoops in the front or house color. HOA’s are all too often run by conservative Nazi’s with nothing better to do than make sure their neighbors are following the “rules.”[/quote]

I never said anyone was evil. HOAs are useful for the jerks, like me, who DO appreciate a neighborhood that is kept aesthetically pleasing. Some neighborhoods are designed from the ground up with this in mind, and they look great the way they are. For those types of neighborhoods, one person painting their house purple would ruin the look that us jerks enjoy and even hurt resale values. For people who aren’t that into appearances, there are plenty of HOA-free neighborhoods to choose from. I live in one now, thankfully temporarily, where a brown house with a waist-high brown lawn is right next to a sky-blue house with a white picket fence, which is next to a yellow house with what looks like a tugboat in the driveway, and let’s not forget the house across the street, with the life-sized horse statue in the front yard. You might call it “character”, but tastes are subjective, and I think it looks like crap. Luckily there is enough variety that everyone can find a neighborhood they like.

Of course, HOAs do sometimes cross the line into Nazism, which is why it’s a good idea to know their rules before buying.

[Ren]

[quote=SandraL][quote=Ren]
HOAs can be a good thing. They prevent your neighbor from painting his house purple, or parking a giant boat in his front yard.
[/quote]
As one of those evil people who painted their house purple, I think HOA’s are for jerks who need a better hobby than getting their undies in a wad over decor differences. I’m all for keeping people from letting their property turn into a trash pile, but there’s a line that gets crossed when people start to nitpick over crap like basketball hoops in the front or house color. HOA’s are all too often run by conservative Nazi’s with nothing better to do than make sure their neighbors are following the “rules.”[/quote]

I never said anyone was evil. HOAs are useful for the jerks, like me, who DO appreciate a neighborhood that is kept aesthetically pleasing. Some neighborhoods are designed from the ground up with this in mind, and they look great the way they are. For those types of neighborhoods, one person painting their house purple would ruin the look that us jerks enjoy and even hurt resale values. For people who aren’t that into appearances, there are plenty of HOA-free neighborhoods to choose from. I live in one now, thankfully temporarily, where a brown house with a waist-high brown lawn is right next to a sky-blue house with a white picket fence, which is next to a yellow house with what looks like a tugboat in the driveway, and let’s not forget the house across the street, with the life-sized horse statue in the front yard. You might call it “character”, but tastes are subjective, and I think it looks like crap. Luckily there is enough variety that everyone can find a neighborhood they like.

Of course, HOAs do sometimes cross the line into Nazism, which is why it’s a good idea to know their rules before buying.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

Those empty lots with the lamposts on the streets in Del Sur have been that way since 2004. I know because we moved to 4s in march 2005 and started looking there in 2004.

Del Sur’s plan is to build all the way over to the Highschool, complete with commercial space and shopping. If you go into the current builders there, some have a site plan for the whole place (why this isnt up on the web is beyond me). The golf course was scrapped, as was the hotel to go with it. That was supposed to go in near the bridge at the low point on Camino del sur in the middle of the del sur and the east gate of Santaluz. That would have been a nice addition.

I think it will be a good 8-10 years before del sur is built out.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

Those empty lots with the lamposts on the streets in Del Sur have been that way since 2004. I know because we moved to 4s in march 2005 and started looking there in 2004.

Del Sur’s plan is to build all the way over to the Highschool, complete with commercial space and shopping. If you go into the current builders there, some have a site plan for the whole place (why this isnt up on the web is beyond me). The golf course was scrapped, as was the hotel to go with it. That was supposed to go in near the bridge at the low point on Camino del sur in the middle of the del sur and the east gate of Santaluz. That would have been a nice addition.

I think it will be a good 8-10 years before del sur is built out.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

Those empty lots with the lamposts on the streets in Del Sur have been that way since 2004. I know because we moved to 4s in march 2005 and started looking there in 2004.

Del Sur’s plan is to build all the way over to the Highschool, complete with commercial space and shopping. If you go into the current builders there, some have a site plan for the whole place (why this isnt up on the web is beyond me). The golf course was scrapped, as was the hotel to go with it. That was supposed to go in near the bridge at the low point on Camino del sur in the middle of the del sur and the east gate of Santaluz. That would have been a nice addition.

I think it will be a good 8-10 years before del sur is built out.

[LAAFTERHOURS]

Those empty lots with the lamposts on the streets in Del Sur have been that way since 2004. I know because we moved to 4s in march 2005 and started looking there in 2004.

Del Sur’s plan is to build all the way over to the Highschool, complete with commercial space and shopping. If you go into the current builders there, some have a site plan for the whole place (why this isnt up on the web is beyond me). The golf course was scrapped, as was the hotel to go with it. That was supposed to go in near the bridge at the low point on Camino del sur in the middle of the del sur and the east gate of Santaluz. That would have been a nice addition.

I think it will be a good 8-10 years before del sur is built out.

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