Landlords who try to sneak a home sale past tenants…

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Uneven,

The concern here is that the LL will give any notice at all. No one wants the sheriff to show up at thier door and tell them that they have one hour to move.

There is mountians of antedotal evidence that this a real possibility. In fact, there is an active forum post on it right now (ok the situation is a little different from the above).

But like I said everything is hinged on that. There is obvious deception on the part of the LL. So it easy to say this may happen.

Also you stated a 30 day agreement. That is a one-sided contract. Most renters rent feeling that as long as they maintian thier side of the lease that the property will be available to live in. No renter rents base of the prospect of having to move on the LL terms (if this was common then the contracted would have renter protections as well). Also if the renter breaks the contract there are protectionist provision for the LL. Usually early lease termination results in a 1 to 1.5 monthly rent penalty. How is this fair if the LL decides to pull out of his side of the agreement early? I know the renter signed a contract without a protection clause for them but most of us have never had the rug pulled out from underneath them. So how is that fair? Both parties made agreements and one side is not honoring that comittment.

Lastly, you threaten litagation. How? Why? Someone gave your tenent information based in the public domain. The tenent know has that information and will make a decision from that. If they break their agreement then you have an actionable item against the tenent but to go after the person that informed the tenent? They had no gag order against them and did not act in any offendable or profitable way (if there is a lawyer here I would love to hear case study).

As you said business is business.

I don’t care how desperate the LL is. That is his business and he chose his path. The renter simple want a house over his head.

No one here is bashing LLs for the sake of bashing LLs as you accuse. Many of the ppl here are LLs or property managers but if you are acting in a way that dispicable… well… Someone just evened the odds.

Besides you don’t know what the hardship will be to the tenent either.

So why so touchy on the matter (and I don’t mean that to be offensive).

CE

[PCinSD]

[quote=uneven]Once again we need to bash the evil landlord and protect the innocent tenants. None of us know the situation the landlord is in. Maybe things got desperate. Maybe it won’t sell for months or more and there’s no need to spook the tenants. I would inform my tenants, but there’s no law requiring me to. If it’s a month to month lease, it can be broken by “either” party for any reason. So if the landlord changes plans and gives them 30 days to move out, he’s evil and if the tenant changes plans and moves out in 30 days he’s a hero? Business is business. Otherwise, let’s turn it all over to the heavenly state to manage it all for us and we can lives on Candycane lane. If anyone intentionally notified my tenants maliciously like you did, I’d sue them for interfering with my right to conduct business. You don’t know all the facts and pretending you do and acting on that makes you more self righteous than the evil landlord.[/quote]

I’m leaning toward agreeing with you on this one. Most people on this site are assuming that the landlord is an irresponsible speculator and is now going to shaft the tenants. But landlords have been selling their properties way before the recent real estate boom/bust. They have every right to list the property and are under no contractual obligation to inform the tenants. Who knows, may the tenant is the deadbeat?

I can understand everyone’s anger, but it appears somewhat misplaced. I’m sure 8bit’s heart was in the right place – but he likely just committed a federal offense. No biggee, since there isn’t a bunch of mailbox police roaming around. Not a risk I would’ve taken, tho.

[PCinSD]

[quote=uneven]Once again we need to bash the evil landlord and protect the innocent tenants. None of us know the situation the landlord is in. Maybe things got desperate. Maybe it won’t sell for months or more and there’s no need to spook the tenants. I would inform my tenants, but there’s no law requiring me to. If it’s a month to month lease, it can be broken by “either” party for any reason. So if the landlord changes plans and gives them 30 days to move out, he’s evil and if the tenant changes plans and moves out in 30 days he’s a hero? Business is business. Otherwise, let’s turn it all over to the heavenly state to manage it all for us and we can lives on Candycane lane. If anyone intentionally notified my tenants maliciously like you did, I’d sue them for interfering with my right to conduct business. You don’t know all the facts and pretending you do and acting on that makes you more self righteous than the evil landlord.[/quote]

I’m leaning toward agreeing with you on this one. Most people on this site are assuming that the landlord is an irresponsible speculator and is now going to shaft the tenants. But landlords have been selling their properties way before the recent real estate boom/bust. They have every right to list the property and are under no contractual obligation to inform the tenants. Who knows, may the tenant is the deadbeat?

I can understand everyone’s anger, but it appears somewhat misplaced. I’m sure 8bit’s heart was in the right place – but he likely just committed a federal offense. No biggee, since there isn’t a bunch of mailbox police roaming around. Not a risk I would’ve taken, tho.

[PCinSD]

[quote=uneven]Once again we need to bash the evil landlord and protect the innocent tenants. None of us know the situation the landlord is in. Maybe things got desperate. Maybe it won’t sell for months or more and there’s no need to spook the tenants. I would inform my tenants, but there’s no law requiring me to. If it’s a month to month lease, it can be broken by “either” party for any reason. So if the landlord changes plans and gives them 30 days to move out, he’s evil and if the tenant changes plans and moves out in 30 days he’s a hero? Business is business. Otherwise, let’s turn it all over to the heavenly state to manage it all for us and we can lives on Candycane lane. If anyone intentionally notified my tenants maliciously like you did, I’d sue them for interfering with my right to conduct business. You don’t know all the facts and pretending you do and acting on that makes you more self righteous than the evil landlord.[/quote]

I’m leaning toward agreeing with you on this one. Most people on this site are assuming that the landlord is an irresponsible speculator and is now going to shaft the tenants. But landlords have been selling their properties way before the recent real estate boom/bust. They have every right to list the property and are under no contractual obligation to inform the tenants. Who knows, may the tenant is the deadbeat?

I can understand everyone’s anger, but it appears somewhat misplaced. I’m sure 8bit’s heart was in the right place – but he likely just committed a federal offense. No biggee, since there isn’t a bunch of mailbox police roaming around. Not a risk I would’ve taken, tho.

[PCinSD]

[quote=uneven]Once again we need to bash the evil landlord and protect the innocent tenants. None of us know the situation the landlord is in. Maybe things got desperate. Maybe it won’t sell for months or more and there’s no need to spook the tenants. I would inform my tenants, but there’s no law requiring me to. If it’s a month to month lease, it can be broken by “either” party for any reason. So if the landlord changes plans and gives them 30 days to move out, he’s evil and if the tenant changes plans and moves out in 30 days he’s a hero? Business is business. Otherwise, let’s turn it all over to the heavenly state to manage it all for us and we can lives on Candycane lane. If anyone intentionally notified my tenants maliciously like you did, I’d sue them for interfering with my right to conduct business. You don’t know all the facts and pretending you do and acting on that makes you more self righteous than the evil landlord.[/quote]

I’m leaning toward agreeing with you on this one. Most people on this site are assuming that the landlord is an irresponsible speculator and is now going to shaft the tenants. But landlords have been selling their properties way before the recent real estate boom/bust. They have every right to list the property and are under no contractual obligation to inform the tenants. Who knows, may the tenant is the deadbeat?

I can understand everyone’s anger, but it appears somewhat misplaced. I’m sure 8bit’s heart was in the right place – but he likely just committed a federal offense. No biggee, since there isn’t a bunch of mailbox police roaming around. Not a risk I would’ve taken, tho.

[PCinSD]

[quote=uneven]Once again we need to bash the evil landlord and protect the innocent tenants. None of us know the situation the landlord is in. Maybe things got desperate. Maybe it won’t sell for months or more and there’s no need to spook the tenants. I would inform my tenants, but there’s no law requiring me to. If it’s a month to month lease, it can be broken by “either” party for any reason. So if the landlord changes plans and gives them 30 days to move out, he’s evil and if the tenant changes plans and moves out in 30 days he’s a hero? Business is business. Otherwise, let’s turn it all over to the heavenly state to manage it all for us and we can lives on Candycane lane. If anyone intentionally notified my tenants maliciously like you did, I’d sue them for interfering with my right to conduct business. You don’t know all the facts and pretending you do and acting on that makes you more self righteous than the evil landlord.[/quote]

I’m leaning toward agreeing with you on this one. Most people on this site are assuming that the landlord is an irresponsible speculator and is now going to shaft the tenants. But landlords have been selling their properties way before the recent real estate boom/bust. They have every right to list the property and are under no contractual obligation to inform the tenants. Who knows, may the tenant is the deadbeat?

I can understand everyone’s anger, but it appears somewhat misplaced. I’m sure 8bit’s heart was in the right place – but he likely just committed a federal offense. No biggee, since there isn’t a bunch of mailbox police roaming around. Not a risk I would’ve taken, tho.

[uneven]

Like I said, we don’t know the agreement or the circumstances for either party. If it’s month to month, then it is 30 day notice for both sides. If its a longer term, then there is legal recourse available if either party breaks the agreement. I’m sorry if it sounds callous, but if you have a month to month agreement, but assume you’ll be there forever is both naive and irresponsible. Renters don’t tend to care about leaving a LL with a vacancy for months (although I’ve had some very nice ones that have helped find new people)

My threat of litigation may have no merit, but if you willfully and maliciously attempt to interfere with someone’s right to conduct business, its against the law. One could say “I was only informing him of public information” but the real question is “why?” If you’ve highlighted things and otherwise made it seem that there is some wrong doing going on with the intent to enrage a tenant or encourage them to take action against the LL, then it’s malicious. That was my point.

My 2 cents, in this market, a tenant’s hardships (having to find a new place) is much more desirable then a LL hardship. But I’m not going to take sides. My whole point is we do not have info and can not throw anyone under a bus. And it’s not right to interfere in this, by assuming the tenant is little red riding hood.

I’m not too worked up… I just get this way sometimes =) I’ve been on both sides of this for the last several years as a tenant and a land lord. It’s just there’s always 2 sides to things.

[uneven]

Like I said, we don’t know the agreement or the circumstances for either party. If it’s month to month, then it is 30 day notice for both sides. If its a longer term, then there is legal recourse available if either party breaks the agreement. I’m sorry if it sounds callous, but if you have a month to month agreement, but assume you’ll be there forever is both naive and irresponsible. Renters don’t tend to care about leaving a LL with a vacancy for months (although I’ve had some very nice ones that have helped find new people)

My threat of litigation may have no merit, but if you willfully and maliciously attempt to interfere with someone’s right to conduct business, its against the law. One could say “I was only informing him of public information” but the real question is “why?” If you’ve highlighted things and otherwise made it seem that there is some wrong doing going on with the intent to enrage a tenant or encourage them to take action against the LL, then it’s malicious. That was my point.

My 2 cents, in this market, a tenant’s hardships (having to find a new place) is much more desirable then a LL hardship. But I’m not going to take sides. My whole point is we do not have info and can not throw anyone under a bus. And it’s not right to interfere in this, by assuming the tenant is little red riding hood.

I’m not too worked up… I just get this way sometimes =) I’ve been on both sides of this for the last several years as a tenant and a land lord. It’s just there’s always 2 sides to things.

[uneven]

Like I said, we don’t know the agreement or the circumstances for either party. If it’s month to month, then it is 30 day notice for both sides. If its a longer term, then there is legal recourse available if either party breaks the agreement. I’m sorry if it sounds callous, but if you have a month to month agreement, but assume you’ll be there forever is both naive and irresponsible. Renters don’t tend to care about leaving a LL with a vacancy for months (although I’ve had some very nice ones that have helped find new people)

My threat of litigation may have no merit, but if you willfully and maliciously attempt to interfere with someone’s right to conduct business, its against the law. One could say “I was only informing him of public information” but the real question is “why?” If you’ve highlighted things and otherwise made it seem that there is some wrong doing going on with the intent to enrage a tenant or encourage them to take action against the LL, then it’s malicious. That was my point.

My 2 cents, in this market, a tenant’s hardships (having to find a new place) is much more desirable then a LL hardship. But I’m not going to take sides. My whole point is we do not have info and can not throw anyone under a bus. And it’s not right to interfere in this, by assuming the tenant is little red riding hood.

I’m not too worked up… I just get this way sometimes =) I’ve been on both sides of this for the last several years as a tenant and a land lord. It’s just there’s always 2 sides to things.

[uneven]

Like I said, we don’t know the agreement or the circumstances for either party. If it’s month to month, then it is 30 day notice for both sides. If its a longer term, then there is legal recourse available if either party breaks the agreement. I’m sorry if it sounds callous, but if you have a month to month agreement, but assume you’ll be there forever is both naive and irresponsible. Renters don’t tend to care about leaving a LL with a vacancy for months (although I’ve had some very nice ones that have helped find new people)

My threat of litigation may have no merit, but if you willfully and maliciously attempt to interfere with someone’s right to conduct business, its against the law. One could say “I was only informing him of public information” but the real question is “why?” If you’ve highlighted things and otherwise made it seem that there is some wrong doing going on with the intent to enrage a tenant or encourage them to take action against the LL, then it’s malicious. That was my point.

My 2 cents, in this market, a tenant’s hardships (having to find a new place) is much more desirable then a LL hardship. But I’m not going to take sides. My whole point is we do not have info and can not throw anyone under a bus. And it’s not right to interfere in this, by assuming the tenant is little red riding hood.

I’m not too worked up… I just get this way sometimes =) I’ve been on both sides of this for the last several years as a tenant and a land lord. It’s just there’s always 2 sides to things.

[uneven]

Like I said, we don’t know the agreement or the circumstances for either party. If it’s month to month, then it is 30 day notice for both sides. If its a longer term, then there is legal recourse available if either party breaks the agreement. I’m sorry if it sounds callous, but if you have a month to month agreement, but assume you’ll be there forever is both naive and irresponsible. Renters don’t tend to care about leaving a LL with a vacancy for months (although I’ve had some very nice ones that have helped find new people)

My threat of litigation may have no merit, but if you willfully and maliciously attempt to interfere with someone’s right to conduct business, its against the law. One could say “I was only informing him of public information” but the real question is “why?” If you’ve highlighted things and otherwise made it seem that there is some wrong doing going on with the intent to enrage a tenant or encourage them to take action against the LL, then it’s malicious. That was my point.

My 2 cents, in this market, a tenant’s hardships (having to find a new place) is much more desirable then a LL hardship. But I’m not going to take sides. My whole point is we do not have info and can not throw anyone under a bus. And it’s not right to interfere in this, by assuming the tenant is little red riding hood.

I’m not too worked up… I just get this way sometimes =) I’ve been on both sides of this for the last several years as a tenant and a land lord. It’s just there’s always 2 sides to things.

[CDMA ENG]

Well month-to-month’s are usually drawing a premium too. Your paying a “option” so to speak.

Believe me I am not pro-renter. I took care of my uncle’s low rent properties in college and now that a tenent can be the scum of the earth too.

But I just couldn’t see this guy/gal as being honest and up front. There are plenty of LLs in craigslist that state up front the property is for sale and usually discount the rent pretty heavily on those conditions. Both parties know what is involved and there is full disclosure.

That is an honest deal.

I would just be pissed if the LL came to me and said get out. I FRIGGING HATE MOVING beyond anything!

Well… everyone is happy now…

Lets go get a beer!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Well month-to-month’s are usually drawing a premium too. Your paying a “option” so to speak.

Believe me I am not pro-renter. I took care of my uncle’s low rent properties in college and now that a tenent can be the scum of the earth too.

But I just couldn’t see this guy/gal as being honest and up front. There are plenty of LLs in craigslist that state up front the property is for sale and usually discount the rent pretty heavily on those conditions. Both parties know what is involved and there is full disclosure.

That is an honest deal.

I would just be pissed if the LL came to me and said get out. I FRIGGING HATE MOVING beyond anything!

Well… everyone is happy now…

Lets go get a beer!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Well month-to-month’s are usually drawing a premium too. Your paying a “option” so to speak.

Believe me I am not pro-renter. I took care of my uncle’s low rent properties in college and now that a tenent can be the scum of the earth too.

But I just couldn’t see this guy/gal as being honest and up front. There are plenty of LLs in craigslist that state up front the property is for sale and usually discount the rent pretty heavily on those conditions. Both parties know what is involved and there is full disclosure.

That is an honest deal.

I would just be pissed if the LL came to me and said get out. I FRIGGING HATE MOVING beyond anything!

Well… everyone is happy now…

Lets go get a beer!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Well month-to-month’s are usually drawing a premium too. Your paying a “option” so to speak.

Believe me I am not pro-renter. I took care of my uncle’s low rent properties in college and now that a tenent can be the scum of the earth too.

But I just couldn’t see this guy/gal as being honest and up front. There are plenty of LLs in craigslist that state up front the property is for sale and usually discount the rent pretty heavily on those conditions. Both parties know what is involved and there is full disclosure.

That is an honest deal.

I would just be pissed if the LL came to me and said get out. I FRIGGING HATE MOVING beyond anything!

Well… everyone is happy now…

Lets go get a beer!

CE

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