Italy convicts 23 Americans

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http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/

Craig Murray, the rector of the University of Dundee in Scotland and until 2004 the UK’s ambassador to Uzbekistan, said the CIA not only relied on confessions gleaned through extreme torture, it sent terror war suspects to Uzbekistan as part of its extraordinary rendition program.

“I’m talking of people being raped with broken bottles,” he said at a lecture late last month that was re-broadcast by the Real News Network. “I’m talking of people having their children tortured in front of them until they sign a confession. I’m talking of people being boiled alive. And the intelligence from these torture sessions was being received by the CIA, and was being passed on.”

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Murray asserts that the primary motivation for US and British military involvement in central Asia has to do with large natural gas deposits in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. As evidence, he points to the plans to build a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan that would allow Western oil companies to avoid Russia and Iran when transporting natural gas out of the region.

Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan’s natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

“The consultant who was organizing this for Unocal was a certain Mr. Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan,” Murray noted.

Murray said part of the motive in hyping up the threat of Islamic terrorism in Uzbekistan through forced confessions was to ensure the country remained on-side in the war on terror, so that the pipeline could be built.

[gandalf]

If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.

[gandalf]

If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.

[gandalf]

If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.

[gandalf]

If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.

[gandalf]

If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=gandalf]If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.[/quote]

Gandalf: If the Bush/Cheney effort was ineffective, why is Obama continuing/following their policies?

Gitmo remains open. Rendition continues. Drone strikes continue. Patriot I/II remain in effect. Large scale commitment in Iraq continues. Supposed “thorough investigations of intelligence practices during the Bush Administration” by Eric Holder and the DOJ have either been tabled or significantly watered down.

I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=gandalf]If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.[/quote]

Gandalf: If the Bush/Cheney effort was ineffective, why is Obama continuing/following their policies?

Gitmo remains open. Rendition continues. Drone strikes continue. Patriot I/II remain in effect. Large scale commitment in Iraq continues. Supposed “thorough investigations of intelligence practices during the Bush Administration” by Eric Holder and the DOJ have either been tabled or significantly watered down.

I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=gandalf]If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.[/quote]

Gandalf: If the Bush/Cheney effort was ineffective, why is Obama continuing/following their policies?

Gitmo remains open. Rendition continues. Drone strikes continue. Patriot I/II remain in effect. Large scale commitment in Iraq continues. Supposed “thorough investigations of intelligence practices during the Bush Administration” by Eric Holder and the DOJ have either been tabled or significantly watered down.

I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=gandalf]If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.[/quote]

Gandalf: If the Bush/Cheney effort was ineffective, why is Obama continuing/following their policies?

Gitmo remains open. Rendition continues. Drone strikes continue. Patriot I/II remain in effect. Large scale commitment in Iraq continues. Supposed “thorough investigations of intelligence practices during the Bush Administration” by Eric Holder and the DOJ have either been tabled or significantly watered down.

I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=gandalf]If we had any character, the trial would have taken place on American soil. If we had any sense, we wouldn’t have done it in the first place.

Bush / Cheney effort against AQ was ineffective. Made for TV bullshit.[/quote]

Gandalf: If the Bush/Cheney effort was ineffective, why is Obama continuing/following their policies?

Gitmo remains open. Rendition continues. Drone strikes continue. Patriot I/II remain in effect. Large scale commitment in Iraq continues. Supposed “thorough investigations of intelligence practices during the Bush Administration” by Eric Holder and the DOJ have either been tabled or significantly watered down.

I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.[/quote]

Obama has no choice but to continue policies for national security reason before extricating us from the mess in an honorable fashion.

If you buy a house with Chinese drywall, you’re stuck with it. It becomes an albatross but you still have to keep on making the payments while you find some way to repair and sell it without dumping the toxic mess on someone else’s lap.

The wise thing would have been not to buy that house to begin with.

Turning the ship of state is slow process.

Policies implemented by previous administrations have lives of their own (bureaucracy, entrenched interests, subordinates who implemented the policies and will fight reversal, etc…) and it takes time to reverse course.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.[/quote]

Obama has no choice but to continue policies for national security reason before extricating us from the mess in an honorable fashion.

If you buy a house with Chinese drywall, you’re stuck with it. It becomes an albatross but you still have to keep on making the payments while you find some way to repair and sell it without dumping the toxic mess on someone else’s lap.

The wise thing would have been not to buy that house to begin with.

Turning the ship of state is slow process.

Policies implemented by previous administrations have lives of their own (bureaucracy, entrenched interests, subordinates who implemented the policies and will fight reversal, etc…) and it takes time to reverse course.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.[/quote]

Obama has no choice but to continue policies for national security reason before extricating us from the mess in an honorable fashion.

If you buy a house with Chinese drywall, you’re stuck with it. It becomes an albatross but you still have to keep on making the payments while you find some way to repair and sell it without dumping the toxic mess on someone else’s lap.

The wise thing would have been not to buy that house to begin with.

Turning the ship of state is slow process.

Policies implemented by previous administrations have lives of their own (bureaucracy, entrenched interests, subordinates who implemented the policies and will fight reversal, etc…) and it takes time to reverse course.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
I’m sorry, but Obama, for all the rhetoric and promises, has done little to change his predecessor’s policies and, in point of fact, is continuing them or expanding them.[/quote]

Obama has no choice but to continue policies for national security reason before extricating us from the mess in an honorable fashion.

If you buy a house with Chinese drywall, you’re stuck with it. It becomes an albatross but you still have to keep on making the payments while you find some way to repair and sell it without dumping the toxic mess on someone else’s lap.

The wise thing would have been not to buy that house to begin with.

Turning the ship of state is slow process.

Policies implemented by previous administrations have lives of their own (bureaucracy, entrenched interests, subordinates who implemented the policies and will fight reversal, etc…) and it takes time to reverse course.

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