Iraq

[zk]

“After all, the study subjects were from Massachusetts, home of ‘Cut and run Kerry.’

Hey, maybe that explains why he voted for the war before he voted against it; big reduction in hormone levels between votes!”

Ha ha. good joke. What takes more testosterone, fighting in combat (Kerry) or sending men to their deaths for no good reason from the comfort of your office(Bush)?

[Anonymous]

zk is right. You folks who continue to support Bush after all that has happened just refuse to see reality. Just blame everyting on the so called liberal media. The liberals are the source of all evil, the administration has done nothing wrong.

You guys obviously listen to too much Rush Limbaugh. Why anyone actually listens to that guy is amazing. This guy is a college dropout, never served in the military and has no expertise on any subject. On top of that he is a fat ass with an annoying arrogant voice. Oh, and Hannity is also a college dropout with no military service.

The Republicans are supposedly the party that supports the military but you wouldn’t know that by the Bush adminstration. Name one person in the current adminstration who has ever seen any combat duty? In fact, the only one in the current adminstration who ever served active duty is Rumsfield. Of course Bush had Colin Powell in his first administration but pushed him out because he was too smart.

[Anonymous]

Bush served in Texas Air National Guard. The various air National Guard units were subject to service in Vietnam during the war:

http://www.ang.af.mil/history/PhotoHistory/vietnam/IaPhuCat.asp

Bush did his duty.  'Big Bill' did not.

What do Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush, Sr. have in common?  Navy!

[zk]

Bush served in the ANG. That’s your answer to “Kerry served in combat and Bush didn’t?”

He used his father’s pull to get him an assignment that would greatly reduce his chances of ending up in combat. Let others without connections put their lives on the line. Very impressive.

“Bush did his duty. ‘Big Bill’ did not.”

It’s highly debatable that Bush did his duty. Using connections to avoid combat isn’t my idea of doing one’s duty. It is true that Clinton didn’t do his duty. But what does any of this have to do with Clinton?

[zk]

And while we’re on the subject of Iraq, I’d like to ask all the supporters of the war:

What have we gotten/will we get from the war in Iraq?

Why have thousands of our finest people died? Why have tens of thousands been maimed? Less importantly, but still important, why have we spent hundreds of billions (trillions if you don’t just count the actual operating costs of the war that congress has approved, but also count the long-term care of injured soldiers, the lost production from them, and all other ancilliary costs of war)?

For what purpose?

[CardiffBaseball]

Who the hell listens to Limbaugh? I sure as hell don’t.

You libs need to get over the idea, that we sit and salivate taking orders from Rush and O’Reilly. I can’t remember the last time I listened to Rush, I’d say 5-6 years ago. So who cares if he is a dropout.

Do I have to listen to some egghead Phd tell me it’s my duty to support affirmative action?

Well shoot, at least this bullshitter is educated, Rush is a dummy!!”

Lastly, I love your support for the soldiers, and especially what they could have done productively if not for this war. What you fail to understand is that the purpose of soldiers, is not to do a job and get the GI Bill. The purpose of the soldiers, is simply to kill the enemy. Kill, Kill, and kill some more. If I had a nickel for every time one of our colonels got pissed off and screamed at us, You know why we fill out this paperwork? To kill Russians, that’s why. Sure maybe one day instead of paperwork it was more pushups, or getting more planes off the ground, but the message was you are here to support the mission against the commie pricks. All that’s changed, is you are now here to support the mission against radical muslims instead of commies.

[Anonymous]

The mission in Iraq has clearly failed because if anything it has increased the number of radical muslims in the region (at least according to the CIA, but what do they know?). Oh, and by the way, Iraq was never connected to Al Queda or 9/11 in the first place so what Mission were we fulfulling with this invasion???

I agree with jg on affirmative action, in fact many of these so called liberal causes make my blood boil. However, the monumental screw up by this adminstration’s policy in Iraq should be equally upsetting to all parties. Just because you are registered as a Republican, does that mean you lose your ability to think for yourself and are only allowed to agree with the party? Even when the leadership has proven to be incompetent?

The problem with Bush and his adminstration is they take no accountability for any of this. Militarily this is a complete debacle, yet neither the Commander in Chief or Secdef take any responsibility or even admit the obvious that this was/is a bad mistake.

[zk]

“What you fail to understand is that the purpose of soldiers, is not to do a job and get the GI Bill… All that’s changed, is you are now here to support the mission against radical muslims instead of commies.”

What makes you think I fail to understand what the job of a soldier is? Where did I say there job was anything other than to defeat the enemy and protect our country? My point wasn’t that their deaths are a problem because they now can’t perform their duties. My point was that their deaths are a problem because now they’re dead, and for no reason.

Which brings me back to my question, the one nobody seems to be able to answer: Why?

(And by the way, the reason I generally won’t bring up Limbaugh or Hannity is that I wouldn’t assume that anyone listens to them anymore than I’d assume anyone has an IQ of 80. Which is about the IQ it would take to listen to them and not see them for the ridiculous, mindless buffoons that they are. Of course, if somebody admits to me that they admire one of those clowns, that’s a different story. But nobody ever admits that. Sometimes I’ll listen to them for as long as I can stomach just to see what they’re saying. And it’s always the same: whiny mocking of “liberals,” downplaying the bush administration’s incompetence, blaming the results of the bush administration’s incompetence on somebody else, and mindlessly promoting the republican platform (god forbid they should have an original idea that doesn’t conform to the conservative agenda). And callers who’s motto is “dittos.” As in, I can just ditto what you say, Rush, because I can’t think for myself. That may be the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard. Who would be proud of saying “dittos?” And Hannity and Limbaugh’s partisanship is extreme to the point of ridiculousness. Can you even imagine if a democrat were president and congress were democratic and they were doing the exact same thing that bush/congress are doing? The exact same thing. Every action, every speech, every vote? These clowns would be livid. Their reaction would be exactly the opposite of what it is now. Because they can’t think for themselves. All they know is, everything the conservatives do is right, and everything the liberals do is wrong. And they’ll use some tortured logic and some crazy spin to try and make it sound that way. Unfortunately, huge numbers of people in this country can’t seem to see through the flaws in their logic and the spin on their curveballs. Anyway, I just wasted 10 minutes of my life typing about 2 wastes of time and energy. I regret that.)

[Anonymous]

zk, I’ve read the data on Iraq and Al-Qaeda: Salman Pak, meetings between Atta and Iraqi intelligence in the run up to 9/11, potential movement of WMDs to Syria, etc. You probably have, too. Such will never convince you and the libs, and you guys have shown nothing to convince me. We just read the same facts differently. Kind of like belief in God or not.

It takes time to sort out truth; the Verona transcripts came out decades after the events took place, giving documentary proof to many strongly suspected activities. Purportedly, the Saddam-era Iraqis were great recordkeepers; it will be interesting to read the book, when it comes out in 10-15 years, that lays out the full range of evidence. Until then, lots of us believe that we must act.

And, I’ll admit, I don’t care if you guys ever get onboard. This is a 50% + 1 country (actually, plurality country: Big Bill never reached 50%). You’re protected by the Bill of Rights. Until you get Hillary or Barak elected (good Lord forbid!), enjoy your time in the wilderness.

[Anonymous]

This takes 10 minutes to read (very tough for you libs and daytraders) but provides a perspective, straight from the horse's mouth, on a real, unheralded success of the war:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009165

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Jg

Could you be right about everything? One party controls White house, Congress and Supreme Court, but everything wrong with this country is liberal media’s fault? When President Bush says there were no WMD, are you saying that he’s a lib (stupid) or are you saying he is a Manchurian candidate? Thats sounds like liberal conspiracy theory. Why dont you call the Secret Service? I’m sure they will be happy to investigate (you).

PS
Vast majority doesn’t care about Iraq. Most people dont have any ties to it. Dow is at a high, taxes are low. most common search on Internet is for entertainment. People dont care for news. Its boring. Lets start a thread on Paris H and well get more hits!

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Why dont we have war bonds, VA bonds to pay for helping troops when they return, etc? How about a simple US stamp for 40-43 cents to help troops like breast cancer stamp? (if there is such a stamp, then I missed it)

[Anonymous]

jg, people like you are the problem with this country, you think totally in terms of black and white. Labeling poeple “liberals” as if that is a bad word. You obviously learned this from Rush Limbaugh because he cultivated this art of stereotyping that there are only two ways to think. The world is more complicated than “liberal” vs. “conservative”. Most people do not belive in extremist views like the media tries to exploit for ratings. For example, just becuase most people think Bush is a jackass doesn’t make them “libs”. What the hell does that mean anyway?

Regarding Iraq ties to Al Queda, you are clearly smoking crack if you believe there is a connection. According to Richard Clark,the CIA did not believe Iraq had WMD nor that they were involved with Al Queda. Are Richard Clark and the CIA part of a vast “liberal conspiracy”? Beyond this, nobody else in the entire world believed Iraq had WMD. If our own intelligence did not make this connection, nor did the intelligence of the rest of the world, don’t you find that a little odd? Come on, pull your head out of the right wing sand and use some common sense.

[Anonymous]

I dunno; seems like a few folks — 77 Senators and the U.N. — believed back then that Saddam had WMDs:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/11/iraq.us/

Please see Senator Daschle's comments 2/3rds the way down. 

I bet that you are one of the best Monday morning quarterbacks around, dz!

[zk]

jg,

If the 9/11 commission couldn’t find evidence of links between al quaeda and Iraq, chances are there weren’t any. If that dick Cheney can’t provide any evidence except saying it over and over again, there probably isn’t any evidence. In fact, the only reason so many people believe it’s true is that Cheney repeated it so often. The fact is that Bush and Cheney lied to us. And thousands died as a result. I don’t understand why that doesn’t make you angry or at least sad. It makes me a lot of both. I really don’t understand how someone can support our troops and our president. He’s getting them killed.

Yes, some senators backed the resolution allowing bush to attack Iraq. They, also, were mislead about intelligence regarding WMD.

You talk about history taking a while to judge presidents. I would bet all my money that in 30 years, GWB will be ranked by historians in the bottom 5. If I had to guess, I’d say he’ll be last.

I’m not a monday morning qb. I said (and blogged) before the war that going into iraq, a war of choice, would accomplish nothing except to turn moderate muslims into radical ones. And I was right then. And I’m right now. And I’ll be right in 30 years.

And if all you can come up with is “al qaeda had ties to iraq” and “some democrats believed there were wmds,” then I think that deep down inside you know I’m right.

Bush invaded iraq because that’s what he and the neocons have wanted to do for a decade. 9/11 was just an excuse. History will make that clear even to those who refuse to see it now.

Stand up and do what’s right for your country. Vote the people who have destroyed our country and killed our countrymen out of office. To do anything else would be very unpatriotic.

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