Inflation

[FlyerInHi]

Those who employ undocumented migrants pay them under the table. They don’t abide by labor laws anyway.

Plus people always look for better housing. Pay them more and they will upgrade housing.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]Again, we will see how LA works or doesn’t.[/quote]Yep, we will see soon enough. It’ll be interesting to see if small biz stay in LA or move to surrounding cities. I heard Glendale have already trying to court the businesses with the sale of lower min. wage.[/quote]

Watch Seattle. Same $15/hr, but goes into effect in 2017, three years before LA. Seattle’s results will be in before LA even takes effect.

[Anonymous]

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And regardless of immigration status, minimum wage workers cannot afford to buy real estate in Socal so this will have little effect on housing prices.
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It will push up rent prices on the low end and spill over up the economic ladder. Possibly good news for landlords.[/quote]

Maybe good for landlords, not going to benefit anybody else. In fact, higher rent is not a positive outcome for most people who aren’t landlords.

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu][quote=deadzone] And at least in Socal, a good portion of minimum wage workers are illegal immigrants. Much of their money is going home in remittances, not all going to our economy. [/quote]

Source?[/quote]

Common knowledge. I mean any business who doesn’t use E-verify (the majority) are susceptible to be hiring illegals without risk. Even E-verify isn’t necessarily going to stop the practice because employers still have to enforce it.

But look around, who is doing the minimum wage work around here? How many people to you know that work minimum wage jobs? Are they American? Doubt it.

Open up your eyes. No illegals do not just work “under the table”. I used to believe that too, I was naive. The immigration protests on labor day several years ago was a real wake up call.

[spdrun]

E-verify doesn’t have facial image data, other than for a small subset of green card holders. (And in the current political climate, there would be a lot of discomfort regarding privacy in sending state driving license data to the Feds and having them essentially create a national biometric ID database.)

Wouldn’t it be relatively easy to hire an illegal immigrant who holds a stolen or fake ID and has a valid SSN/name combo?

Not that I mind. I consider the privacy risks of the extension of biometric databases to be larger than the economic risks of a few tens of millions of illegals working in the US. If they can get across the fence and behave themselves, let ’em work.

[Anonymous]

[quote=spdrun]E-verify doesn’t have facial image data, other than for a small subset of green card holders. (And in the current political climate, there would be a lot of discomfort regarding privacy in sending state driving license data to the Feds and having them essentially create a national biometric ID database.)

Wouldn’t it be relatively easy to hire an illegal immigrant who holds a stolen or fake ID and has a valid SSN/name combo?

Not that I mind. I consider the privacy risks of the extension of biometric databases to be larger than the economic risks of a few tens of millions of illegals working in the US. If they can get across the fence and behave themselves, let ’em work.[/quote]

You are correct, that’s why I pointed out that even businesses that claim to use E-verify can easily hire illegals. And they do.

Anyway, the point is, like it or not, raising minimum wage is actually a wage hike for illegals.

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Plus people always look for better housing. Pay them more and they will upgrade housing.[/quote]

No they won’t. If you make the minimum (lowest) wage you’re going still going to live in lowest cost housing. Instead of getting that section 8 housing voucher it will come from your paycheck, but you aren’t moving on up.

[FlyerInHi]

Look around?
What is an American supposed to look and sound like?

On example: in LA, there are lots people who are trying to make it in the entertainment industry working minimum wage. They are highly talented by entertainment is too small of an industry for everyone.

You’re forgetting that a higher minimum wage will positively impact millions of lives. They will spend the increase into the economy, benefiting Walmart, Apple, car dealerships, landlords, and on and on. The human impact is enormous.

Citizenship doesn’t even matter in a humanitarian and economic context.

Besides, minimum wage increases will be phased in over years, so they will hardly affect consumer prices, because innovation will obviate labor costs.

Minimum wages increases are just indications that the economy is getting better and there is pressure for better pay, at least at the bottom of the labor pool.

[Anonymous]

great, so again the landlords are the ones who benefit. Not sure that is beneficial to the masses. Oh and Walmart too? Great, more work for Chinese sweatshops.

Oh and L.A. is not the best example to use. More illegals in L.A. than anywhere in the country. Higher minimum wage will just draw more illegal workers.

[FlyerInHi]

The lower masses get higher wages. They benefit. The economy benefits. Trickle up.

[recordsclerk]

Higher minimum will also work it’s way up the ladder. The next rung up, like myself is looking forward to higher minimum. Although it will wash out with higher rents and consumer goods, it will benefit those that have debt. It will also help out those that have bought housing, since inflation has little effect on your house payment.

[FlyerInHi]

Another good previous prediction by shoveler. Inflation and growth help clear the debt overhang.

[Anonymous]

You haven’t provided any examples of how anybody benefits except the lower wage worker (illegals in this State), land lords and Walmart.

[FlyerInHi]

Waiters and waitresses in LA, while they struggle to become stars.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Waiters and waitresses in LA, while they struggle to become stars.[/quote]

Another bad example, they make most of their wages with tips. Regardless, not sure why we should be subsidizing these Hollywood wannabe losers.

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