If you get mad easily about Big Government wasting stimulus money…don’t read this…

[Coronita]

[quote=investor]
I don’t know. It’s hard to assign motives. I think most people realize that some form of federal government is neccesary, it’s just that the longer you work in government, the more you realize that it is almost impossible to control waste.So, you control it by reducing the size of gevernment.[/quote]

Ding ding ding…. Totally agree.
The issue with the way government organizations work is that they work on a $0 budget. What this means is that at the end of the year, you either spend your entire budget or risk having your budget cut next year. So usually, this leads to waste because you end up spending on things that you don’t need.

I had first hand experience with this, working at a non-profit company that got it’s budget from the DoD….At the end of the years, dept’s that didn’t still had budget surpluses would end up buying random computer equipment, blowing $100k+ on machines that eventually were never opened from the box and just stuck in a suppply room. I was an intern, and a Aplha machine for instance was given to me. When I told folks I didn’t need it..They said, don’t worry, it’s not free and not your money anyway…The government is paying for it….

[ltokuda]

As others have pointed out, it sounds like this article only counts the number of GOVERNMENT jobs that were saved/created by the stimulus. It does not consider the number for PRIVATE SECTOR jobs that may have been saved/created.

The Los Angeles controller who did the audit is just doing his job by limiting the scope of his report to government jobs. It is what it is. But you can’t really draw any conclusions about the overall effectiveness of the stimulus based on that report.

[ltokuda]

As others have pointed out, it sounds like this article only counts the number of GOVERNMENT jobs that were saved/created by the stimulus. It does not consider the number for PRIVATE SECTOR jobs that may have been saved/created.

The Los Angeles controller who did the audit is just doing his job by limiting the scope of his report to government jobs. It is what it is. But you can’t really draw any conclusions about the overall effectiveness of the stimulus based on that report.

[ltokuda]

As others have pointed out, it sounds like this article only counts the number of GOVERNMENT jobs that were saved/created by the stimulus. It does not consider the number for PRIVATE SECTOR jobs that may have been saved/created.

The Los Angeles controller who did the audit is just doing his job by limiting the scope of his report to government jobs. It is what it is. But you can’t really draw any conclusions about the overall effectiveness of the stimulus based on that report.

[ltokuda]

As others have pointed out, it sounds like this article only counts the number of GOVERNMENT jobs that were saved/created by the stimulus. It does not consider the number for PRIVATE SECTOR jobs that may have been saved/created.

The Los Angeles controller who did the audit is just doing his job by limiting the scope of his report to government jobs. It is what it is. But you can’t really draw any conclusions about the overall effectiveness of the stimulus based on that report.

[ltokuda]

As others have pointed out, it sounds like this article only counts the number of GOVERNMENT jobs that were saved/created by the stimulus. It does not consider the number for PRIVATE SECTOR jobs that may have been saved/created.

The Los Angeles controller who did the audit is just doing his job by limiting the scope of his report to government jobs. It is what it is. But you can’t really draw any conclusions about the overall effectiveness of the stimulus based on that report.

[gandalf]

[quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.

[gandalf]

[quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.

[gandalf]

[quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.

[gandalf]

[quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.

[gandalf]

[quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.

[joec]

[quote=gandalf][quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.[/quote]

A lot of hate is directed towards the government because the government collects your tax dollars…

People don’t care if other private companies waste money or pay out big bonuses if they don’t feel they are funding that lifestyle or paying the bill…

Same reason people are annoyed with government bailing out homeowners who ATMed their house.

[joec]

[quote=gandalf][quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.[/quote]

A lot of hate is directed towards the government because the government collects your tax dollars…

People don’t care if other private companies waste money or pay out big bonuses if they don’t feel they are funding that lifestyle or paying the bill…

Same reason people are annoyed with government bailing out homeowners who ATMed their house.

[joec]

[quote=gandalf][quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.[/quote]

A lot of hate is directed towards the government because the government collects your tax dollars…

People don’t care if other private companies waste money or pay out big bonuses if they don’t feel they are funding that lifestyle or paying the bill…

Same reason people are annoyed with government bailing out homeowners who ATMed their house.

[joec]

[quote=gandalf][quote=investor]With your ideals, I agree. The problem is how to incentivise the government workers/ system. If you could make government efficient, the UAW (whom I lump together with government, which you may not agree with) would put out competitive cars wouldn’t they?[/quote]

The ideals are correct but the criticisms here are cliche and misplaced.

Government can, and frequently does, serve a useful purpose. It is not ‘inherently’ bad or wasteful. Governmental organizations are the same as any other organization, a reflection of the people involved.

Let’s be clear. Inefficiency and waste occurs all the time in the private sector. So does collusion, corruption, business failure, bubbles, panics and even market failure. Tremendous inefficiencies.

Look at our INSOLVENT private sector banking industry which, absent meaningful government regulation, gambled away massive amounts of private deposits on ludicrous financial leverage schemes and nearly destroyed our economy.

Yeah, government is the problem. Heard it before. Whatever.[/quote]

A lot of hate is directed towards the government because the government collects your tax dollars…

People don’t care if other private companies waste money or pay out big bonuses if they don’t feel they are funding that lifestyle or paying the bill…

Same reason people are annoyed with government bailing out homeowners who ATMed their house.

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