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  • November 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM #481559
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    [quote=kev374]
    I disagree. The amount of knowledge, creative thinking and deadline pressures you have to deal with on some of these Engineering projects is far greater than any high school teacher will experience I can tell you that. [/quote]
    I spent two years teaching HS math and CS between 1996 and 1998. I would do it again if I had to, but it was way more stressful than the rest of my career, including 15 years of software engineering.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM #480731
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    [quote=meadandale]My niece is in the IE (Corona/Riverside area) and she’s pulling in over $90k for 9 months teaching 1st freaking grade.

    Yeah, I’d say that some of our teachers are just a tad overpaid.[/quote]

    Has she been teaching for 25 years? That’s how long you have to teach in Corona-Norco USD to make over 90K/yr. Is she in a different district?

    November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM #480898
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    [quote=meadandale]My niece is in the IE (Corona/Riverside area) and she’s pulling in over $90k for 9 months teaching 1st freaking grade.

    Yeah, I’d say that some of our teachers are just a tad overpaid.[/quote]

    Has she been teaching for 25 years? That’s how long you have to teach in Corona-Norco USD to make over 90K/yr. Is she in a different district?

    November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM #481261
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    [quote=meadandale]My niece is in the IE (Corona/Riverside area) and she’s pulling in over $90k for 9 months teaching 1st freaking grade.

    Yeah, I’d say that some of our teachers are just a tad overpaid.[/quote]

    Has she been teaching for 25 years? That’s how long you have to teach in Corona-Norco USD to make over 90K/yr. Is she in a different district?

    November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM #481341
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    [quote=meadandale]My niece is in the IE (Corona/Riverside area) and she’s pulling in over $90k for 9 months teaching 1st freaking grade.

    Yeah, I’d say that some of our teachers are just a tad overpaid.[/quote]

    Has she been teaching for 25 years? That’s how long you have to teach in Corona-Norco USD to make over 90K/yr. Is she in a different district?

    November 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM #481564
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    [quote=meadandale]My niece is in the IE (Corona/Riverside area) and she’s pulling in over $90k for 9 months teaching 1st freaking grade.

    Yeah, I’d say that some of our teachers are just a tad overpaid.[/quote]

    Has she been teaching for 25 years? That’s how long you have to teach in Corona-Norco USD to make over 90K/yr. Is she in a different district?

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #480736
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    Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard. As per my knowledge university professors and associate professors are not paid well. But still they are in teaching because they are passionate of their work. One of my friend (actually he is my class mates professor) worked as associate professor for 7 years. He has couple of master degrees in engineering and a PhD. He said earning 100K is not easy in teaching (university). He resigned and changed his career to IT. He passed 100K mark with in a year.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #480902
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    Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard. As per my knowledge university professors and associate professors are not paid well. But still they are in teaching because they are passionate of their work. One of my friend (actually he is my class mates professor) worked as associate professor for 7 years. He has couple of master degrees in engineering and a PhD. He said earning 100K is not easy in teaching (university). He resigned and changed his career to IT. He passed 100K mark with in a year.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #481266
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    Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard. As per my knowledge university professors and associate professors are not paid well. But still they are in teaching because they are passionate of their work. One of my friend (actually he is my class mates professor) worked as associate professor for 7 years. He has couple of master degrees in engineering and a PhD. He said earning 100K is not easy in teaching (university). He resigned and changed his career to IT. He passed 100K mark with in a year.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #481346
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    Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard. As per my knowledge university professors and associate professors are not paid well. But still they are in teaching because they are passionate of their work. One of my friend (actually he is my class mates professor) worked as associate professor for 7 years. He has couple of master degrees in engineering and a PhD. He said earning 100K is not easy in teaching (university). He resigned and changed his career to IT. He passed 100K mark with in a year.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #481569
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    Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard. As per my knowledge university professors and associate professors are not paid well. But still they are in teaching because they are passionate of their work. One of my friend (actually he is my class mates professor) worked as associate professor for 7 years. He has couple of master degrees in engineering and a PhD. He said earning 100K is not easy in teaching (university). He resigned and changed his career to IT. He passed 100K mark with in a year.

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #480741
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    [quote=Hobie]My vote is to pay teachers very well but tie it to independent performance reviews. ( Careful with this item as it needs more details which begets a new thread)

    If you really want to complain, how about the $100-150k salaries for the 2-4 vice principals/high school. And even with that, there hands are tied in expelling problem kids. So are they really necessary at such a cost?

    Not to mention the layers of staffing at the District level, State Board of Ed is even fatter.[/quote]

    Hobie is on the money with the above. My poor mother works in the Clark County (read Vegas) school district. I won’t say what she does for her safety but year after year she deals with principal rejects (meaning the inept ones) that get put in to the administration areas. They often lack the general skills to do this kind of work and are placed into position that they have no familiarity with. Those wrecking the department and angering others who, while are just uneducated clerks, having beening doing the job for years and know the process. Mean while they draw 120K plus… As much as 180K for certain positions (put as my mother admits those top position usually have excellent ppl fullfilling those spots) have little stress (because they bet the slaves and throw them under the bus) and draw good retirement packages when well trained administrators could be doing the job for half the salary and competently do the job.

    P.S. I have dated many elementary teachers (maybe a school boy fantasy thing?) and the committed ones always seem to work 40 plus. I couldn’t do thier job. More power and more money to them…

    And yes… During the last recession I thought about becoming a Math teacher… They simply cant find ppl to do the job…

    CE

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #480907
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    [quote=Hobie]My vote is to pay teachers very well but tie it to independent performance reviews. ( Careful with this item as it needs more details which begets a new thread)

    If you really want to complain, how about the $100-150k salaries for the 2-4 vice principals/high school. And even with that, there hands are tied in expelling problem kids. So are they really necessary at such a cost?

    Not to mention the layers of staffing at the District level, State Board of Ed is even fatter.[/quote]

    Hobie is on the money with the above. My poor mother works in the Clark County (read Vegas) school district. I won’t say what she does for her safety but year after year she deals with principal rejects (meaning the inept ones) that get put in to the administration areas. They often lack the general skills to do this kind of work and are placed into position that they have no familiarity with. Those wrecking the department and angering others who, while are just uneducated clerks, having beening doing the job for years and know the process. Mean while they draw 120K plus… As much as 180K for certain positions (put as my mother admits those top position usually have excellent ppl fullfilling those spots) have little stress (because they bet the slaves and throw them under the bus) and draw good retirement packages when well trained administrators could be doing the job for half the salary and competently do the job.

    P.S. I have dated many elementary teachers (maybe a school boy fantasy thing?) and the committed ones always seem to work 40 plus. I couldn’t do thier job. More power and more money to them…

    And yes… During the last recession I thought about becoming a Math teacher… They simply cant find ppl to do the job…

    CE

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #481271
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    [quote=Hobie]My vote is to pay teachers very well but tie it to independent performance reviews. ( Careful with this item as it needs more details which begets a new thread)

    If you really want to complain, how about the $100-150k salaries for the 2-4 vice principals/high school. And even with that, there hands are tied in expelling problem kids. So are they really necessary at such a cost?

    Not to mention the layers of staffing at the District level, State Board of Ed is even fatter.[/quote]

    Hobie is on the money with the above. My poor mother works in the Clark County (read Vegas) school district. I won’t say what she does for her safety but year after year she deals with principal rejects (meaning the inept ones) that get put in to the administration areas. They often lack the general skills to do this kind of work and are placed into position that they have no familiarity with. Those wrecking the department and angering others who, while are just uneducated clerks, having beening doing the job for years and know the process. Mean while they draw 120K plus… As much as 180K for certain positions (put as my mother admits those top position usually have excellent ppl fullfilling those spots) have little stress (because they bet the slaves and throw them under the bus) and draw good retirement packages when well trained administrators could be doing the job for half the salary and competently do the job.

    P.S. I have dated many elementary teachers (maybe a school boy fantasy thing?) and the committed ones always seem to work 40 plus. I couldn’t do thier job. More power and more money to them…

    And yes… During the last recession I thought about becoming a Math teacher… They simply cant find ppl to do the job…

    CE

    November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM #481351
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    [quote=Hobie]My vote is to pay teachers very well but tie it to independent performance reviews. ( Careful with this item as it needs more details which begets a new thread)

    If you really want to complain, how about the $100-150k salaries for the 2-4 vice principals/high school. And even with that, there hands are tied in expelling problem kids. So are they really necessary at such a cost?

    Not to mention the layers of staffing at the District level, State Board of Ed is even fatter.[/quote]

    Hobie is on the money with the above. My poor mother works in the Clark County (read Vegas) school district. I won’t say what she does for her safety but year after year she deals with principal rejects (meaning the inept ones) that get put in to the administration areas. They often lack the general skills to do this kind of work and are placed into position that they have no familiarity with. Those wrecking the department and angering others who, while are just uneducated clerks, having beening doing the job for years and know the process. Mean while they draw 120K plus… As much as 180K for certain positions (put as my mother admits those top position usually have excellent ppl fullfilling those spots) have little stress (because they bet the slaves and throw them under the bus) and draw good retirement packages when well trained administrators could be doing the job for half the salary and competently do the job.

    P.S. I have dated many elementary teachers (maybe a school boy fantasy thing?) and the committed ones always seem to work 40 plus. I couldn’t do thier job. More power and more money to them…

    And yes… During the last recession I thought about becoming a Math teacher… They simply cant find ppl to do the job…

    CE

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