HS teacher-$70K for 9 months of work

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
Sorry man… But only 50 percent of all people that enter an engineering program make it out… I dare say the drop out ratio for teaching isn’t the same and if it is its due to lack of commitment and not subject matter.

You cant sit there and tell me one is just as difficult academically (which I probably just misspelled) as the other. Plus… Many engineers study there subject matter constantly… They are in “training” everyday… I read and re-read all the time. I don’t have to have formalized training the training comes from working with very unique problems everyday.

I have a lot of respect for teachers but you still can’t say its the same difficulty academically.

Also I dont know if you were referring to me but I did not say that teachers work 6 hours a day. I stated that the ones I knew worked 40 plus.

CE[/quote]
That you think it is a lot easier academically is two me evidence of ignorance on your part.

In all fairness, “academic” can mean different things in these to occupations.

I have known a lot of engineers and a lot of teachers. Both require a fairly deep understanding of the subject matter. However, most people think that the subject matter is the material being taught.
Its not.
The subject matter for a teacher is the student.
The hardest subjects are the ones in the poorest neighborhoods who don’t really see the purpose in education. Usually the hardest work here is delegated to the lowest-paid workers.

Also, I challenge you to present stats comparing how many people enter engineering programs and are in that profession 10 years later and compare that with teachers.

A whole lot of teachers drop out their first year to become engineers (because they find it easier). I imagine the reverse is true.

Finally, considering most teachers I know work more than 60 hrs per week, I think the argument that they somehow don’t work as hard is kind of dumb.

[dbapig]

[quote=CDMA ENG]

So true about market driven… Best case in point… Nurses. 2 Years and they come out making more than some PhDs…[/quote]

Question is, are some PhDs willing to do the work of the nurses, cleaning up poop, night shifts, people dying on your…

[dbapig]

[quote=CDMA ENG]

So true about market driven… Best case in point… Nurses. 2 Years and they come out making more than some PhDs…[/quote]

Question is, are some PhDs willing to do the work of the nurses, cleaning up poop, night shifts, people dying on your…

[dbapig]

[quote=CDMA ENG]

So true about market driven… Best case in point… Nurses. 2 Years and they come out making more than some PhDs…[/quote]

Question is, are some PhDs willing to do the work of the nurses, cleaning up poop, night shifts, people dying on your…

[dbapig]

[quote=CDMA ENG]

So true about market driven… Best case in point… Nurses. 2 Years and they come out making more than some PhDs…[/quote]

Question is, are some PhDs willing to do the work of the nurses, cleaning up poop, night shifts, people dying on your…

[dbapig]

[quote=CDMA ENG]

So true about market driven… Best case in point… Nurses. 2 Years and they come out making more than some PhDs…[/quote]

Question is, are some PhDs willing to do the work of the nurses, cleaning up poop, night shifts, people dying on your…

[kev374]

First off, I was not referring to University professors but rather High School teachers teaching a very basic curriculum, elementary English, Geography, Algebra etc.

If a teacher is great and has an MS in Engineering then go ahead and pay him the same as the Software Engineer, I have no issues with it. But someone with a BA in English teaching grammar to 8th graders and justifying $70-80k just because they have “stress” is not a good argument. We have a shortage of good Math/Science teachers why? because compensation is not based on the area of teaching, the pay is standardized across the board…so the guy teaching grammar is making the same as the guy teaching Calculus, not good.

I agree with the gentleman who said Engineering is academically difficult and 50% of the students drop out. I saw this in my Computer Science program myself, people just changed majors because they couldn’t go through with it.

[kev374]

First off, I was not referring to University professors but rather High School teachers teaching a very basic curriculum, elementary English, Geography, Algebra etc.

If a teacher is great and has an MS in Engineering then go ahead and pay him the same as the Software Engineer, I have no issues with it. But someone with a BA in English teaching grammar to 8th graders and justifying $70-80k just because they have “stress” is not a good argument. We have a shortage of good Math/Science teachers why? because compensation is not based on the area of teaching, the pay is standardized across the board…so the guy teaching grammar is making the same as the guy teaching Calculus, not good.

I agree with the gentleman who said Engineering is academically difficult and 50% of the students drop out. I saw this in my Computer Science program myself, people just changed majors because they couldn’t go through with it.

[kev374]

First off, I was not referring to University professors but rather High School teachers teaching a very basic curriculum, elementary English, Geography, Algebra etc.

If a teacher is great and has an MS in Engineering then go ahead and pay him the same as the Software Engineer, I have no issues with it. But someone with a BA in English teaching grammar to 8th graders and justifying $70-80k just because they have “stress” is not a good argument. We have a shortage of good Math/Science teachers why? because compensation is not based on the area of teaching, the pay is standardized across the board…so the guy teaching grammar is making the same as the guy teaching Calculus, not good.

I agree with the gentleman who said Engineering is academically difficult and 50% of the students drop out. I saw this in my Computer Science program myself, people just changed majors because they couldn’t go through with it.

[kev374]

First off, I was not referring to University professors but rather High School teachers teaching a very basic curriculum, elementary English, Geography, Algebra etc.

If a teacher is great and has an MS in Engineering then go ahead and pay him the same as the Software Engineer, I have no issues with it. But someone with a BA in English teaching grammar to 8th graders and justifying $70-80k just because they have “stress” is not a good argument. We have a shortage of good Math/Science teachers why? because compensation is not based on the area of teaching, the pay is standardized across the board…so the guy teaching grammar is making the same as the guy teaching Calculus, not good.

I agree with the gentleman who said Engineering is academically difficult and 50% of the students drop out. I saw this in my Computer Science program myself, people just changed majors because they couldn’t go through with it.

[kev374]

First off, I was not referring to University professors but rather High School teachers teaching a very basic curriculum, elementary English, Geography, Algebra etc.

If a teacher is great and has an MS in Engineering then go ahead and pay him the same as the Software Engineer, I have no issues with it. But someone with a BA in English teaching grammar to 8th graders and justifying $70-80k just because they have “stress” is not a good argument. We have a shortage of good Math/Science teachers why? because compensation is not based on the area of teaching, the pay is standardized across the board…so the guy teaching grammar is making the same as the guy teaching Calculus, not good.

I agree with the gentleman who said Engineering is academically difficult and 50% of the students drop out. I saw this in my Computer Science program myself, people just changed majors because they couldn’t go through with it.

[blahblahblah]

You people crack me up. Arguing about whether someone deserves to make $100K or $70K a year or whatever. Meanwhile the hedge fund managers and Goldman Sachs goons are raking in millions a year by gutting your country and stealing your tax money. Nary a peep about whether they’re overpaid, let’s instead focus on a principal making $150K or a teacher making $70K or whatever.

This country is doomed! Back to sleep, everyone…

[blahblahblah]

You people crack me up. Arguing about whether someone deserves to make $100K or $70K a year or whatever. Meanwhile the hedge fund managers and Goldman Sachs goons are raking in millions a year by gutting your country and stealing your tax money. Nary a peep about whether they’re overpaid, let’s instead focus on a principal making $150K or a teacher making $70K or whatever.

This country is doomed! Back to sleep, everyone…

[blahblahblah]

You people crack me up. Arguing about whether someone deserves to make $100K or $70K a year or whatever. Meanwhile the hedge fund managers and Goldman Sachs goons are raking in millions a year by gutting your country and stealing your tax money. Nary a peep about whether they’re overpaid, let’s instead focus on a principal making $150K or a teacher making $70K or whatever.

This country is doomed! Back to sleep, everyone…

[blahblahblah]

You people crack me up. Arguing about whether someone deserves to make $100K or $70K a year or whatever. Meanwhile the hedge fund managers and Goldman Sachs goons are raking in millions a year by gutting your country and stealing your tax money. Nary a peep about whether they’re overpaid, let’s instead focus on a principal making $150K or a teacher making $70K or whatever.

This country is doomed! Back to sleep, everyone…

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