How to Buy w/out a Realtor?

[Coronita]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Also:
To those who are bragging about having bought without an agent:

I dare you to post an address (or pm it).
I will share it with other agents on this board and in my office and we will tell you if we think you actually got a good price or not. (you may or may not have).
We will not post the address if you would prefer.

If you don’t have the courage to give us that, then I submit you are a coward without the courage of your convictions.

I am calling you out.

Reply if you’ve got a pair.

Otherwise step off.[/quote]

dude, next time I trade up to derby hills home in CV. I’m going to get an agent like you. I need some snarky shark to go after those deals… My agent friend, although I like and knows the area pretty well, is only half as sharky. I want a full headed shark 🙂

[drboom]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I think that people who stare at comp sheets all day probably are better at evaluating comps than those who don’t.[/quote]

In my experience the thing professionals bring to the table is efficiency. You could look at a set of comps and make a snap judgement, while I’d have to screw around for a while. Since I have an interest in my own case, my research will almost certainly be more thorough.

[quote][quote=drboom]
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
[/quote]
So if I disagree with you, then my opinion is worthless?
Not a strong argument dude.
[/quote]

Where did I even imply we would disagree? You missed the point completely, so let me restate:

Doing comps is not hard if you have the data and half a brain for the analysis. I have both, and I think we would reach roughly the same conclusions.

[quote]I think that being an agent is easy.
It has a very low threshold for legal standing and very easy minimum qualifications.
I think that being good or successful at it is rather tough.[/quote]

Who said it was easy? Not me. It’s a lot of work. It also takes a certain talent to deal with all comers and make them feel comfortable. That’s the key to success in any sales position, not intellect or education.

I and others simply resent being forced into paying bloated monopoly rents for services we neither want nor need.

[quote]That is why Dave Baum (sdr), Adam Rappoport (SD_R) and Dan Cassidy (that’s me) are still in business and generally only have time to make friends (or enemies) online whereas a lot of the people we competed with a few years ago are in different lines of work.
Its not reasonable to say that just because it looks easy to do it is.[/quote]

The mark of a true professional is that they make everything look easy. I never said otherwise.

[quote]I don’t think people are being dishonest I just want them to show their work.
I think that what looks like a good idea is often dependent on limited or skewed information.[/quote]

Right. In other words, we’re not in possession of the facts and we’re not bright enough to know it.

In my own case, a veteran RE professional already looked at my deal months after it was done. Her opinion was that we did very well. I disagreed with her because the market was and is still too inflated so looking at comps doesn’t give a good picture. I expect to “lose” my 20% down payment (I’m “up” about 15-20% right now, unbelievably) over the next few years, but I nailed the bottom of the market so it would have been hard to do much better. I’ve given the numbers elsewhere, but the deal was a no-brainer as a rental property.

[quote]However, if someone thinks they have a great deal without representation, I would like to see that and compare it to those who DO have representation.[/quote]

Good luck. There isn’t enough data to draw meaningful conclusions. The FSBO market is full of nutjobs who think they own the Taj Mahal and that El Cajon is 92037, so you won’t find anything helpful there. Anecdotes are about all you’ll get, and the plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[quote]I think that if someone is going to go on about how they have a great strategy (like working unrepresented or with the listing agent) they should show the stellar results they claim.[/quote]

I showed enough, and so have others. If you don’t like it, fine. I value my privacy, and I assume they do too.

[quote][quote=drboom]

xoxo,
-drboom[/quote]

So dude, seriously, your best shot when I say to bring evidence is to tell me to bring evidence?
Sure.
What evidence do you want?[/quote]

Not evidence. Data. It’s not the same thing. Read for content.

As I said, bring what you already brought, but more of it. It’s too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[quote]Weak, weak argument.
And you are telling me to shut the fuck up?
Grow some and learn to cuss.[/quote]

Yes I am if all you’re going to do is wave your spindly little dick around and misread everything people write.

How old are you, anyway? Still wearing your frat ring? The other adults you mentioned back themselves up without sounding like children. Think you can step your game up a little?

[drboom]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I think that people who stare at comp sheets all day probably are better at evaluating comps than those who don’t.[/quote]

In my experience the thing professionals bring to the table is efficiency. You could look at a set of comps and make a snap judgement, while I’d have to screw around for a while. Since I have an interest in my own case, my research will almost certainly be more thorough.

[quote][quote=drboom]
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
[/quote]
So if I disagree with you, then my opinion is worthless?
Not a strong argument dude.
[/quote]

Where did I even imply we would disagree? You missed the point completely, so let me restate:

Doing comps is not hard if you have the data and half a brain for the analysis. I have both, and I think we would reach roughly the same conclusions.

[quote]I think that being an agent is easy.
It has a very low threshold for legal standing and very easy minimum qualifications.
I think that being good or successful at it is rather tough.[/quote]

Who said it was easy? Not me. It’s a lot of work. It also takes a certain talent to deal with all comers and make them feel comfortable. That’s the key to success in any sales position, not intellect or education.

I and others simply resent being forced into paying bloated monopoly rents for services we neither want nor need.

[quote]That is why Dave Baum (sdr), Adam Rappoport (SD_R) and Dan Cassidy (that’s me) are still in business and generally only have time to make friends (or enemies) online whereas a lot of the people we competed with a few years ago are in different lines of work.
Its not reasonable to say that just because it looks easy to do it is.[/quote]

The mark of a true professional is that they make everything look easy. I never said otherwise.

[quote]I don’t think people are being dishonest I just want them to show their work.
I think that what looks like a good idea is often dependent on limited or skewed information.[/quote]

Right. In other words, we’re not in possession of the facts and we’re not bright enough to know it.

In my own case, a veteran RE professional already looked at my deal months after it was done. Her opinion was that we did very well. I disagreed with her because the market was and is still too inflated so looking at comps doesn’t give a good picture. I expect to “lose” my 20% down payment (I’m “up” about 15-20% right now, unbelievably) over the next few years, but I nailed the bottom of the market so it would have been hard to do much better. I’ve given the numbers elsewhere, but the deal was a no-brainer as a rental property.

[quote]However, if someone thinks they have a great deal without representation, I would like to see that and compare it to those who DO have representation.[/quote]

Good luck. There isn’t enough data to draw meaningful conclusions. The FSBO market is full of nutjobs who think they own the Taj Mahal and that El Cajon is 92037, so you won’t find anything helpful there. Anecdotes are about all you’ll get, and the plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[quote]I think that if someone is going to go on about how they have a great strategy (like working unrepresented or with the listing agent) they should show the stellar results they claim.[/quote]

I showed enough, and so have others. If you don’t like it, fine. I value my privacy, and I assume they do too.

[quote][quote=drboom]

xoxo,
-drboom[/quote]

So dude, seriously, your best shot when I say to bring evidence is to tell me to bring evidence?
Sure.
What evidence do you want?[/quote]

Not evidence. Data. It’s not the same thing. Read for content.

As I said, bring what you already brought, but more of it. It’s too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[quote]Weak, weak argument.
And you are telling me to shut the fuck up?
Grow some and learn to cuss.[/quote]

Yes I am if all you’re going to do is wave your spindly little dick around and misread everything people write.

How old are you, anyway? Still wearing your frat ring? The other adults you mentioned back themselves up without sounding like children. Think you can step your game up a little?

[drboom]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I think that people who stare at comp sheets all day probably are better at evaluating comps than those who don’t.[/quote]

In my experience the thing professionals bring to the table is efficiency. You could look at a set of comps and make a snap judgement, while I’d have to screw around for a while. Since I have an interest in my own case, my research will almost certainly be more thorough.

[quote][quote=drboom]
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
[/quote]
So if I disagree with you, then my opinion is worthless?
Not a strong argument dude.
[/quote]

Where did I even imply we would disagree? You missed the point completely, so let me restate:

Doing comps is not hard if you have the data and half a brain for the analysis. I have both, and I think we would reach roughly the same conclusions.

[quote]I think that being an agent is easy.
It has a very low threshold for legal standing and very easy minimum qualifications.
I think that being good or successful at it is rather tough.[/quote]

Who said it was easy? Not me. It’s a lot of work. It also takes a certain talent to deal with all comers and make them feel comfortable. That’s the key to success in any sales position, not intellect or education.

I and others simply resent being forced into paying bloated monopoly rents for services we neither want nor need.

[quote]That is why Dave Baum (sdr), Adam Rappoport (SD_R) and Dan Cassidy (that’s me) are still in business and generally only have time to make friends (or enemies) online whereas a lot of the people we competed with a few years ago are in different lines of work.
Its not reasonable to say that just because it looks easy to do it is.[/quote]

The mark of a true professional is that they make everything look easy. I never said otherwise.

[quote]I don’t think people are being dishonest I just want them to show their work.
I think that what looks like a good idea is often dependent on limited or skewed information.[/quote]

Right. In other words, we’re not in possession of the facts and we’re not bright enough to know it.

In my own case, a veteran RE professional already looked at my deal months after it was done. Her opinion was that we did very well. I disagreed with her because the market was and is still too inflated so looking at comps doesn’t give a good picture. I expect to “lose” my 20% down payment (I’m “up” about 15-20% right now, unbelievably) over the next few years, but I nailed the bottom of the market so it would have been hard to do much better. I’ve given the numbers elsewhere, but the deal was a no-brainer as a rental property.

[quote]However, if someone thinks they have a great deal without representation, I would like to see that and compare it to those who DO have representation.[/quote]

Good luck. There isn’t enough data to draw meaningful conclusions. The FSBO market is full of nutjobs who think they own the Taj Mahal and that El Cajon is 92037, so you won’t find anything helpful there. Anecdotes are about all you’ll get, and the plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[quote]I think that if someone is going to go on about how they have a great strategy (like working unrepresented or with the listing agent) they should show the stellar results they claim.[/quote]

I showed enough, and so have others. If you don’t like it, fine. I value my privacy, and I assume they do too.

[quote][quote=drboom]

xoxo,
-drboom[/quote]

So dude, seriously, your best shot when I say to bring evidence is to tell me to bring evidence?
Sure.
What evidence do you want?[/quote]

Not evidence. Data. It’s not the same thing. Read for content.

As I said, bring what you already brought, but more of it. It’s too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[quote]Weak, weak argument.
And you are telling me to shut the fuck up?
Grow some and learn to cuss.[/quote]

Yes I am if all you’re going to do is wave your spindly little dick around and misread everything people write.

How old are you, anyway? Still wearing your frat ring? The other adults you mentioned back themselves up without sounding like children. Think you can step your game up a little?

[drboom]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I think that people who stare at comp sheets all day probably are better at evaluating comps than those who don’t.[/quote]

In my experience the thing professionals bring to the table is efficiency. You could look at a set of comps and make a snap judgement, while I’d have to screw around for a while. Since I have an interest in my own case, my research will almost certainly be more thorough.

[quote][quote=drboom]
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
[/quote]
So if I disagree with you, then my opinion is worthless?
Not a strong argument dude.
[/quote]

Where did I even imply we would disagree? You missed the point completely, so let me restate:

Doing comps is not hard if you have the data and half a brain for the analysis. I have both, and I think we would reach roughly the same conclusions.

[quote]I think that being an agent is easy.
It has a very low threshold for legal standing and very easy minimum qualifications.
I think that being good or successful at it is rather tough.[/quote]

Who said it was easy? Not me. It’s a lot of work. It also takes a certain talent to deal with all comers and make them feel comfortable. That’s the key to success in any sales position, not intellect or education.

I and others simply resent being forced into paying bloated monopoly rents for services we neither want nor need.

[quote]That is why Dave Baum (sdr), Adam Rappoport (SD_R) and Dan Cassidy (that’s me) are still in business and generally only have time to make friends (or enemies) online whereas a lot of the people we competed with a few years ago are in different lines of work.
Its not reasonable to say that just because it looks easy to do it is.[/quote]

The mark of a true professional is that they make everything look easy. I never said otherwise.

[quote]I don’t think people are being dishonest I just want them to show their work.
I think that what looks like a good idea is often dependent on limited or skewed information.[/quote]

Right. In other words, we’re not in possession of the facts and we’re not bright enough to know it.

In my own case, a veteran RE professional already looked at my deal months after it was done. Her opinion was that we did very well. I disagreed with her because the market was and is still too inflated so looking at comps doesn’t give a good picture. I expect to “lose” my 20% down payment (I’m “up” about 15-20% right now, unbelievably) over the next few years, but I nailed the bottom of the market so it would have been hard to do much better. I’ve given the numbers elsewhere, but the deal was a no-brainer as a rental property.

[quote]However, if someone thinks they have a great deal without representation, I would like to see that and compare it to those who DO have representation.[/quote]

Good luck. There isn’t enough data to draw meaningful conclusions. The FSBO market is full of nutjobs who think they own the Taj Mahal and that El Cajon is 92037, so you won’t find anything helpful there. Anecdotes are about all you’ll get, and the plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[quote]I think that if someone is going to go on about how they have a great strategy (like working unrepresented or with the listing agent) they should show the stellar results they claim.[/quote]

I showed enough, and so have others. If you don’t like it, fine. I value my privacy, and I assume they do too.

[quote][quote=drboom]

xoxo,
-drboom[/quote]

So dude, seriously, your best shot when I say to bring evidence is to tell me to bring evidence?
Sure.
What evidence do you want?[/quote]

Not evidence. Data. It’s not the same thing. Read for content.

As I said, bring what you already brought, but more of it. It’s too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[quote]Weak, weak argument.
And you are telling me to shut the fuck up?
Grow some and learn to cuss.[/quote]

Yes I am if all you’re going to do is wave your spindly little dick around and misread everything people write.

How old are you, anyway? Still wearing your frat ring? The other adults you mentioned back themselves up without sounding like children. Think you can step your game up a little?

[drboom]

[quote=urbanrealtor]I think that people who stare at comp sheets all day probably are better at evaluating comps than those who don’t.[/quote]

In my experience the thing professionals bring to the table is efficiency. You could look at a set of comps and make a snap judgement, while I’d have to screw around for a while. Since I have an interest in my own case, my research will almost certainly be more thorough.

[quote][quote=drboom]
Just how hard do you think this stuff is? If you think it’s hard, I submit you’re not all that bright to begin with–so your opinion is worthless one way or the other. If you think it’s easy but requires the all-seeing and all-knowing MLS, I’ve already dealt with that elsewhere: see the “cult” thread.
[/quote]
So if I disagree with you, then my opinion is worthless?
Not a strong argument dude.
[/quote]

Where did I even imply we would disagree? You missed the point completely, so let me restate:

Doing comps is not hard if you have the data and half a brain for the analysis. I have both, and I think we would reach roughly the same conclusions.

[quote]I think that being an agent is easy.
It has a very low threshold for legal standing and very easy minimum qualifications.
I think that being good or successful at it is rather tough.[/quote]

Who said it was easy? Not me. It’s a lot of work. It also takes a certain talent to deal with all comers and make them feel comfortable. That’s the key to success in any sales position, not intellect or education.

I and others simply resent being forced into paying bloated monopoly rents for services we neither want nor need.

[quote]That is why Dave Baum (sdr), Adam Rappoport (SD_R) and Dan Cassidy (that’s me) are still in business and generally only have time to make friends (or enemies) online whereas a lot of the people we competed with a few years ago are in different lines of work.
Its not reasonable to say that just because it looks easy to do it is.[/quote]

The mark of a true professional is that they make everything look easy. I never said otherwise.

[quote]I don’t think people are being dishonest I just want them to show their work.
I think that what looks like a good idea is often dependent on limited or skewed information.[/quote]

Right. In other words, we’re not in possession of the facts and we’re not bright enough to know it.

In my own case, a veteran RE professional already looked at my deal months after it was done. Her opinion was that we did very well. I disagreed with her because the market was and is still too inflated so looking at comps doesn’t give a good picture. I expect to “lose” my 20% down payment (I’m “up” about 15-20% right now, unbelievably) over the next few years, but I nailed the bottom of the market so it would have been hard to do much better. I’ve given the numbers elsewhere, but the deal was a no-brainer as a rental property.

[quote]However, if someone thinks they have a great deal without representation, I would like to see that and compare it to those who DO have representation.[/quote]

Good luck. There isn’t enough data to draw meaningful conclusions. The FSBO market is full of nutjobs who think they own the Taj Mahal and that El Cajon is 92037, so you won’t find anything helpful there. Anecdotes are about all you’ll get, and the plural of anecdote is not “data”.

[quote]I think that if someone is going to go on about how they have a great strategy (like working unrepresented or with the listing agent) they should show the stellar results they claim.[/quote]

I showed enough, and so have others. If you don’t like it, fine. I value my privacy, and I assume they do too.

[quote][quote=drboom]

xoxo,
-drboom[/quote]

So dude, seriously, your best shot when I say to bring evidence is to tell me to bring evidence?
Sure.
What evidence do you want?[/quote]

Not evidence. Data. It’s not the same thing. Read for content.

As I said, bring what you already brought, but more of it. It’s too small of a sample to draw any conclusions, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

[quote]Weak, weak argument.
And you are telling me to shut the fuck up?
Grow some and learn to cuss.[/quote]

Yes I am if all you’re going to do is wave your spindly little dick around and misread everything people write.

How old are you, anyway? Still wearing your frat ring? The other adults you mentioned back themselves up without sounding like children. Think you can step your game up a little?

[urbanrealtor]

Dr Boom,
You flap a lot in that last post but say very little other than you value your privacy too much to back up what you say.

Okay then.

And by definition, you are not required to pay for services you don’t need.

You have expressed that there are lots of poorly informed people in the FSBO world.

This implies that the Realtor-structured market is the one you find preferable.

Ergo, it seems that you really are complaining that you can’t work in the Realtor world with out dealing with Realtors.

Like I said, show some results in your alternative version or step off.

And no, I didn’t misread anything you wrote.

You are just too much of a coward to defend your position when challenged and now you want to “nuance” it (seriously, data vs evidence?) to seem like less of a fool.

At a personal level, you don’t know crap about me except that I find your assertions and reasoning retarded beyond words.

Again, just show me some actual evidence (or data) in support of your position and I will acknowledge it.

You suggest stepping up the game when someone comes down to your level of discourse and yet you are at a total loss to defend your position.

I am truly wowed by your insights.

[urbanrealtor]

Dr Boom,
You flap a lot in that last post but say very little other than you value your privacy too much to back up what you say.

Okay then.

And by definition, you are not required to pay for services you don’t need.

You have expressed that there are lots of poorly informed people in the FSBO world.

This implies that the Realtor-structured market is the one you find preferable.

Ergo, it seems that you really are complaining that you can’t work in the Realtor world with out dealing with Realtors.

Like I said, show some results in your alternative version or step off.

And no, I didn’t misread anything you wrote.

You are just too much of a coward to defend your position when challenged and now you want to “nuance” it (seriously, data vs evidence?) to seem like less of a fool.

At a personal level, you don’t know crap about me except that I find your assertions and reasoning retarded beyond words.

Again, just show me some actual evidence (or data) in support of your position and I will acknowledge it.

You suggest stepping up the game when someone comes down to your level of discourse and yet you are at a total loss to defend your position.

I am truly wowed by your insights.

[urbanrealtor]

Dr Boom,
You flap a lot in that last post but say very little other than you value your privacy too much to back up what you say.

Okay then.

And by definition, you are not required to pay for services you don’t need.

You have expressed that there are lots of poorly informed people in the FSBO world.

This implies that the Realtor-structured market is the one you find preferable.

Ergo, it seems that you really are complaining that you can’t work in the Realtor world with out dealing with Realtors.

Like I said, show some results in your alternative version or step off.

And no, I didn’t misread anything you wrote.

You are just too much of a coward to defend your position when challenged and now you want to “nuance” it (seriously, data vs evidence?) to seem like less of a fool.

At a personal level, you don’t know crap about me except that I find your assertions and reasoning retarded beyond words.

Again, just show me some actual evidence (or data) in support of your position and I will acknowledge it.

You suggest stepping up the game when someone comes down to your level of discourse and yet you are at a total loss to defend your position.

I am truly wowed by your insights.

[urbanrealtor]

Dr Boom,
You flap a lot in that last post but say very little other than you value your privacy too much to back up what you say.

Okay then.

And by definition, you are not required to pay for services you don’t need.

You have expressed that there are lots of poorly informed people in the FSBO world.

This implies that the Realtor-structured market is the one you find preferable.

Ergo, it seems that you really are complaining that you can’t work in the Realtor world with out dealing with Realtors.

Like I said, show some results in your alternative version or step off.

And no, I didn’t misread anything you wrote.

You are just too much of a coward to defend your position when challenged and now you want to “nuance” it (seriously, data vs evidence?) to seem like less of a fool.

At a personal level, you don’t know crap about me except that I find your assertions and reasoning retarded beyond words.

Again, just show me some actual evidence (or data) in support of your position and I will acknowledge it.

You suggest stepping up the game when someone comes down to your level of discourse and yet you are at a total loss to defend your position.

I am truly wowed by your insights.

[urbanrealtor]

Dr Boom,
You flap a lot in that last post but say very little other than you value your privacy too much to back up what you say.

Okay then.

And by definition, you are not required to pay for services you don’t need.

You have expressed that there are lots of poorly informed people in the FSBO world.

This implies that the Realtor-structured market is the one you find preferable.

Ergo, it seems that you really are complaining that you can’t work in the Realtor world with out dealing with Realtors.

Like I said, show some results in your alternative version or step off.

And no, I didn’t misread anything you wrote.

You are just too much of a coward to defend your position when challenged and now you want to “nuance” it (seriously, data vs evidence?) to seem like less of a fool.

At a personal level, you don’t know crap about me except that I find your assertions and reasoning retarded beyond words.

Again, just show me some actual evidence (or data) in support of your position and I will acknowledge it.

You suggest stepping up the game when someone comes down to your level of discourse and yet you are at a total loss to defend your position.

I am truly wowed by your insights.

[urbanrealtor]

And I will bet 10 bucks there is nothing but more nuance in your next post.

[urbanrealtor]

And I will bet 10 bucks there is nothing but more nuance in your next post.

[urbanrealtor]

And I will bet 10 bucks there is nothing but more nuance in your next post.

[urbanrealtor]

And I will bet 10 bucks there is nothing but more nuance in your next post.

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