How much of a difference will this make ?

[gn]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/30/news/economy/housing_bill_Bush/index.htm?postversion=2008073011

How much of a difference will it make ?

To me, the key issue is: this will put the ball in the lenders’ hand. Will the lenders agree to modify the loans to 90% of the current market value ? Many of these mortgages have been securitized, how difficult is it to modify a “securitized loan” ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

No need to assume. … if you remember that old song from School House ROck (“I’m just a Bill”) you would know that since the president actually signed it, this bill is now a law.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

No need to assume. … if you remember that old song from School House ROck (“I’m just a Bill”) you would know that since the president actually signed it, this bill is now a law.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

No need to assume. … if you remember that old song from School House ROck (“I’m just a Bill”) you would know that since the president actually signed it, this bill is now a law.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

No need to assume. … if you remember that old song from School House ROck (“I’m just a Bill”) you would know that since the president actually signed it, this bill is now a law.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Assuming that the following bill will be passed:

No need to assume. … if you remember that old song from School House ROck (“I’m just a Bill”) you would know that since the president actually signed it, this bill is now a law.

[bubba99]

I don’t think the impact will really be much for the borrower, and even if it is we are looking at 400k out of 2 or 3 million foreclosures – say 15%. I don’t think 15% will help the market much, and I think the new loans all become recourse. If you convert into the new loan, you lose the right to walk away – no longer purchase money – and the government may become the new collector. With prices still falling, the second round of foreclosures may all be recourse.

The big impact will be on the Fannie and Freddie bonds sold to the Chineese and Koreans, and Japaneese et. al.(the lenders) Much of this type of crap is being sold at 20 or 30 cents on the dollar right now, and there is 3 Trillion of it at risk between Freddie and Fannie. And this bill just guaranteed payment to the bond holder.

The great improvement at Lehman where they “sold 6 billion in crap at less than 30 cents on the dollar was not even a real sale. They lent the buyer 5 billion plus of the sale price and must buy it back if the losses are greater than the 1 billion invested by the buyer.

Now we are on the hook for 3 trillion of this toxic waste. No hope for the housing market, nor the US dollar.

[bubba99]

I don’t think the impact will really be much for the borrower, and even if it is we are looking at 400k out of 2 or 3 million foreclosures – say 15%. I don’t think 15% will help the market much, and I think the new loans all become recourse. If you convert into the new loan, you lose the right to walk away – no longer purchase money – and the government may become the new collector. With prices still falling, the second round of foreclosures may all be recourse.

The big impact will be on the Fannie and Freddie bonds sold to the Chineese and Koreans, and Japaneese et. al.(the lenders) Much of this type of crap is being sold at 20 or 30 cents on the dollar right now, and there is 3 Trillion of it at risk between Freddie and Fannie. And this bill just guaranteed payment to the bond holder.

The great improvement at Lehman where they “sold 6 billion in crap at less than 30 cents on the dollar was not even a real sale. They lent the buyer 5 billion plus of the sale price and must buy it back if the losses are greater than the 1 billion invested by the buyer.

Now we are on the hook for 3 trillion of this toxic waste. No hope for the housing market, nor the US dollar.

[bubba99]

I don’t think the impact will really be much for the borrower, and even if it is we are looking at 400k out of 2 or 3 million foreclosures – say 15%. I don’t think 15% will help the market much, and I think the new loans all become recourse. If you convert into the new loan, you lose the right to walk away – no longer purchase money – and the government may become the new collector. With prices still falling, the second round of foreclosures may all be recourse.

The big impact will be on the Fannie and Freddie bonds sold to the Chineese and Koreans, and Japaneese et. al.(the lenders) Much of this type of crap is being sold at 20 or 30 cents on the dollar right now, and there is 3 Trillion of it at risk between Freddie and Fannie. And this bill just guaranteed payment to the bond holder.

The great improvement at Lehman where they “sold 6 billion in crap at less than 30 cents on the dollar was not even a real sale. They lent the buyer 5 billion plus of the sale price and must buy it back if the losses are greater than the 1 billion invested by the buyer.

Now we are on the hook for 3 trillion of this toxic waste. No hope for the housing market, nor the US dollar.

[bubba99]

I don’t think the impact will really be much for the borrower, and even if it is we are looking at 400k out of 2 or 3 million foreclosures – say 15%. I don’t think 15% will help the market much, and I think the new loans all become recourse. If you convert into the new loan, you lose the right to walk away – no longer purchase money – and the government may become the new collector. With prices still falling, the second round of foreclosures may all be recourse.

The big impact will be on the Fannie and Freddie bonds sold to the Chineese and Koreans, and Japaneese et. al.(the lenders) Much of this type of crap is being sold at 20 or 30 cents on the dollar right now, and there is 3 Trillion of it at risk between Freddie and Fannie. And this bill just guaranteed payment to the bond holder.

The great improvement at Lehman where they “sold 6 billion in crap at less than 30 cents on the dollar was not even a real sale. They lent the buyer 5 billion plus of the sale price and must buy it back if the losses are greater than the 1 billion invested by the buyer.

Now we are on the hook for 3 trillion of this toxic waste. No hope for the housing market, nor the US dollar.

[bubba99]

I don’t think the impact will really be much for the borrower, and even if it is we are looking at 400k out of 2 or 3 million foreclosures – say 15%. I don’t think 15% will help the market much, and I think the new loans all become recourse. If you convert into the new loan, you lose the right to walk away – no longer purchase money – and the government may become the new collector. With prices still falling, the second round of foreclosures may all be recourse.

The big impact will be on the Fannie and Freddie bonds sold to the Chineese and Koreans, and Japaneese et. al.(the lenders) Much of this type of crap is being sold at 20 or 30 cents on the dollar right now, and there is 3 Trillion of it at risk between Freddie and Fannie. And this bill just guaranteed payment to the bond holder.

The great improvement at Lehman where they “sold 6 billion in crap at less than 30 cents on the dollar was not even a real sale. They lent the buyer 5 billion plus of the sale price and must buy it back if the losses are greater than the 1 billion invested by the buyer.

Now we are on the hook for 3 trillion of this toxic waste. No hope for the housing market, nor the US dollar.

[gandalf]

Wow. Is this correct? I haven’t had time to read up on the specifics. So we’re essentially providing guarantees on the payment streams of all of these securities? That’s amazing.

Where do we get the money to cover this? The news outlets were talking about $25B as cost of Fannie/Freddie bailout. The cost of what you’re describing doesn’t sound even close to $25B. More like $1-2T. Your take as well?

[gandalf]

Wow. Is this correct? I haven’t had time to read up on the specifics. So we’re essentially providing guarantees on the payment streams of all of these securities? That’s amazing.

Where do we get the money to cover this? The news outlets were talking about $25B as cost of Fannie/Freddie bailout. The cost of what you’re describing doesn’t sound even close to $25B. More like $1-2T. Your take as well?

[gandalf]

Wow. Is this correct? I haven’t had time to read up on the specifics. So we’re essentially providing guarantees on the payment streams of all of these securities? That’s amazing.

Where do we get the money to cover this? The news outlets were talking about $25B as cost of Fannie/Freddie bailout. The cost of what you’re describing doesn’t sound even close to $25B. More like $1-2T. Your take as well?

[gandalf]

Wow. Is this correct? I haven’t had time to read up on the specifics. So we’re essentially providing guarantees on the payment streams of all of these securities? That’s amazing.

Where do we get the money to cover this? The news outlets were talking about $25B as cost of Fannie/Freddie bailout. The cost of what you’re describing doesn’t sound even close to $25B. More like $1-2T. Your take as well?

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