House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[Jim Jones]

[quote=jpinpb]I’ve been weighing pros and cons of healthcare bill and have been vacillating between whether it’s good or bad. Of course, they keep altering versions of it and hard to follow along w/their “improvements” along the way.

Many things I’m still trying to understand. From what I hear, there will be fines for people who do not carry insurance. Okay. If someone can’t afford insurance, forcing them to buy it, versus, say, eating or paying rent, seems burdensome. To fine them on top of that seems cruel.

But setting aside the pressures of forcing someone to buy insurance when they can’t afford it, who will be enforcing the purchase of insurance and who will enforce the fines if they don’t have it?

I know there are a lot of people with tickets who can’t/don’t pay and it turns into a warrant. People violate laws all the time. Is there going to be some insurance police going door-to-door to check if you have insurance and then write you up if you don’t. If you don’t pay the fine, do you get arrested?

I am having trouble understanding the logistics of this particular portion of the bill. Still grappling w/other portions, but this one is one staring me in the face right now.

Also, is there some provision in this healthcare bill for those who are not in the country legally? Or are our taxpaying dollars still covering them in case of emergency?[/quote]

No one is going to be fined unless they are wealthy. Anyone with an AGI under $30,000 will probably get 100% of their insurance subsidized. This is nothing more then a budget busting give away for the Democrats to secure an even larger part of the voting public with little regard for their duties to manage the public purse.

Wait until your your at SHARP waiting for a surgery behind 3 illegal immigrants each with a translator an patient advocate from ACORN and two attorneys from the ACLU. You will be told to shut up and come back next week.

[fishsticks]

[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]

Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).

[fishsticks]

[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]

Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).

[fishsticks]

[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]

Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).

[fishsticks]

[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]

Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).

[fishsticks]

[quote=sd_matt]What’s the middle ground between the WP survey and Becks? That is probably the most accurate thing we have since all sides are spun.[/quote]

Yes, clearly reality lies somewhere between ABC/Washington Post (professional news organizations who employ professional statisticians) and Glenn Beck (a race-baiting, hyper nationalist, man-child who, like Father Coughlin and other fascists during the 1930s, makes up convenient facts on the fly intended to stir his followers into a furor).

[jpinpb]

If the premise is everyone is buying insurance hence premiums will be lower and the way to insure everyone is buying it is if you don’t, you will be fined, this theory already fails.

I don’t know what the dividing line is between poverty and relieved of the obligation of buying insurance and those who are required to purchase it, that can be a thin line. And more people could fall below it.

If everyone does NOT buy insurance, the premiums won’t be lower. The only guarantee that exists to make people buy insurance is to say if you don’t, you’ll be fined. I see a flaw here. There will be people who just won’t buy it. As I say, who is going to know if they did or not? Who is going to enforce it? And if you don’t pay, what happens?

There are so many glaringly misconceptions. In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.

[jpinpb]

If the premise is everyone is buying insurance hence premiums will be lower and the way to insure everyone is buying it is if you don’t, you will be fined, this theory already fails.

I don’t know what the dividing line is between poverty and relieved of the obligation of buying insurance and those who are required to purchase it, that can be a thin line. And more people could fall below it.

If everyone does NOT buy insurance, the premiums won’t be lower. The only guarantee that exists to make people buy insurance is to say if you don’t, you’ll be fined. I see a flaw here. There will be people who just won’t buy it. As I say, who is going to know if they did or not? Who is going to enforce it? And if you don’t pay, what happens?

There are so many glaringly misconceptions. In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.

[jpinpb]

If the premise is everyone is buying insurance hence premiums will be lower and the way to insure everyone is buying it is if you don’t, you will be fined, this theory already fails.

I don’t know what the dividing line is between poverty and relieved of the obligation of buying insurance and those who are required to purchase it, that can be a thin line. And more people could fall below it.

If everyone does NOT buy insurance, the premiums won’t be lower. The only guarantee that exists to make people buy insurance is to say if you don’t, you’ll be fined. I see a flaw here. There will be people who just won’t buy it. As I say, who is going to know if they did or not? Who is going to enforce it? And if you don’t pay, what happens?

There are so many glaringly misconceptions. In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.

[jpinpb]

If the premise is everyone is buying insurance hence premiums will be lower and the way to insure everyone is buying it is if you don’t, you will be fined, this theory already fails.

I don’t know what the dividing line is between poverty and relieved of the obligation of buying insurance and those who are required to purchase it, that can be a thin line. And more people could fall below it.

If everyone does NOT buy insurance, the premiums won’t be lower. The only guarantee that exists to make people buy insurance is to say if you don’t, you’ll be fined. I see a flaw here. There will be people who just won’t buy it. As I say, who is going to know if they did or not? Who is going to enforce it? And if you don’t pay, what happens?

There are so many glaringly misconceptions. In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.

[jpinpb]

If the premise is everyone is buying insurance hence premiums will be lower and the way to insure everyone is buying it is if you don’t, you will be fined, this theory already fails.

I don’t know what the dividing line is between poverty and relieved of the obligation of buying insurance and those who are required to purchase it, that can be a thin line. And more people could fall below it.

If everyone does NOT buy insurance, the premiums won’t be lower. The only guarantee that exists to make people buy insurance is to say if you don’t, you’ll be fined. I see a flaw here. There will be people who just won’t buy it. As I say, who is going to know if they did or not? Who is going to enforce it? And if you don’t pay, what happens?

There are so many glaringly misconceptions. In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.

[NeetaT]

Force me to buy health insurance or pay a fine? I will choose jail time instead. To force insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions is like someone being forced to place a bet on the worst game in the casino. Great, let’s also destroy all the jobs related to the private health insurance industry. Even better yet, let’s penalize success by placing a surcharge on people who make 500k or more. Idiots!!!!!!!!

[NeetaT]

Force me to buy health insurance or pay a fine? I will choose jail time instead. To force insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions is like someone being forced to place a bet on the worst game in the casino. Great, let’s also destroy all the jobs related to the private health insurance industry. Even better yet, let’s penalize success by placing a surcharge on people who make 500k or more. Idiots!!!!!!!!

[NeetaT]

Force me to buy health insurance or pay a fine? I will choose jail time instead. To force insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions is like someone being forced to place a bet on the worst game in the casino. Great, let’s also destroy all the jobs related to the private health insurance industry. Even better yet, let’s penalize success by placing a surcharge on people who make 500k or more. Idiots!!!!!!!!

[NeetaT]

Force me to buy health insurance or pay a fine? I will choose jail time instead. To force insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions is like someone being forced to place a bet on the worst game in the casino. Great, let’s also destroy all the jobs related to the private health insurance industry. Even better yet, let’s penalize success by placing a surcharge on people who make 500k or more. Idiots!!!!!!!!

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