HOA smoking ban

[equalizer]

Heres a Golden, CO story. cig smoke bothering neighbors, HOA bans smoking in condo, judge upholds. Do I hear smoke free apts? If the CDC states that second hand smoke is dangerous, is the apt complex not liable if there is an egregious viloation like this case. Its my house, I can do what I want. [Leave me alone] BUT, if you are harming others will the libertarians support you?

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[La Jolla Renter]

Smokers = Chronic Litterers

Never met a smoker that didn’t litter their butts occasionally.

I despise both.

Chalk one up for the HOA… for once.

[PerryChase]

I wonder when the localities will band together and sue the tobacco companies for the cigarette butt cleaning costs.

[lindismith]

better yet, just make the butts biodegradable. Suing for that might be more plausible.
Smokers are never going to stop littering.

did you know cigarette butts are the number 1 litter item on the world’s beaches?

Surfrider San Diego has a Hold On To Your Butt program that we rolled out in OB. We raised money, paid for public cigarette ashcans, and installed them up and down the main streets outside of bars and restaurants. People are using them. We do not yet know what the impact is on the beaches, however in LA when those chapters did it, there was a 40% decrease in butt litter. We just installed them here in August.

We’re looking to roll out the program to other cities. (Del Mar already did them on their own through their own city activists program.) So far we’ve had the most interest from Encinitas.

If anyone would like to help us roll it out in their city, let me know.

BTW, we’re not against smoking. We just want people to hold on to their butts.

As for the second-hand smoke, it’s disgusting, but then so are exhaust fumes, sewage spills etc etc. Maybe we all just have to live with these pollutants? You know, maybe it’s part of life, and we all need to get over it?

[barnaby33]

As a proud owner of phillip morris stock I say, “light em if ya got em!” Just not near me, stupid smokers.

Josh

[L_Thek_onomics]

“did you know cigarette butts are the number 1 litter item on the world’s beaches?”

Strange. I live on the coast of Long Beach for over ten years. After
storms, some real serious trash accumulating on the sand, here is the
inventory: 70% styrofoam pieces, 20% miscellanious fast food
packaging, 5% plastic cans and bottles (oil, anti-freeze, juices), 3%
plastic bags, 1.999% plastic toys, diapers and other strange stuff,
0.001% (or probably a lot less) cigarette butts. I think there is no
justification to call the smokers major litterers or polluters. Anybody
with the anti-smoking mentality are welcome to visit our beaches after
storms, and argue… I guarantee, they’ll loose.

L Thek

[lindismith]

L Thek,
do you know those stats from beach clean-ups that you do?

[L_Thek_onomics]

“L Thek,
do you know those stats from beach clean-ups that you do?”

No, I observe the make up of trash during my beach walks.
The city cleans up the mess (financed by taxpayers, like us).
I’m not a kind of “feel good” guy, who completely ignores the
responsibility of a bunch of filthy bums. If I see a litterer, I
confront him or her , right on the spot…

L Thek

[no_such_reality]

Thek, Long Beach gets more shipping flotsam because of the ports. The OC beaches, from Seal Beach south, have litter that is primary lasy people waste. Storm drain run off and cigarette butts. You’re also not seeing the small waste and only seeing the big waste. There’s been plenty of times I’ve come out of the water and the waste is lined up higher, but coming from the water, the butts are imbedded inthe sand like a giant area run.

I’d have to imaging her and hubby are pretty heavy smokers in their condo. For the smell to be permeating through charcoal filters, the walls and everything else, they must have a chronic cloud in their condo.

I noticed the smoker complained about a person barbecuing as her slippery slope argument. I always find it funny they think a nuisance is any smell they don’t like and not the chronic continuous smell they create day after day. Like living next to a landfill.

[lindismith]

Yeah, unfortunately we’ve all become so used to cigarette butts, we no longer see them. But, next time you’re walking on the sidewalk, look down at the gutter, you’ll see tons of butts (especially outside of bars and restaurants). All of them wash down the storm drains, out to sea, and straight up onto our beaches.

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