going broke on 300K/year

[temeculaguy]

I haven’t been feeling well (perhaps swine flu), fell asleep and only just woke up, look what I missed. I hijacked this thread into some of my best comedy and now it’s morphed into some serious discussions between piggington’s elite women. You gals are so above the pack that it’s like watching a prosecutor and defense attorney represent petty thieves, don’t take sides with the woman from this article, none of you would ever be her, she’s beneath you.

C-Bad, when they perfect cloning, you should be the first, if all wives were you, there wouldn’t be divorce attorneys. Don’t join the peace core or waste your time learning from others who know less than you. Write books, become famous, dethrone Dr. laura and become the leader of the female of our species. Just look at how you wrote about your husband’s sacrifice, not dwelling on your own, but realizing it is a shared life and shared sacrifice, my faith hath been restored in your people, but I still reserve the right to call some of them crazy.

CA renter- cmon, your my homeslice, don’t paint that sterotype of us men. Lots of men out there are good fathers and husbands, never cheat on their wives and are put out on the curb because they don’t live up to romance novel/soap opera standards, lot’s of women fall into that trap of wanting to upgrade, only finding out later that the man of their dreams is a myth and they ruined their family while learning that fact. One of the few times I caught dr. laura, she said that women are the only dog owners that will buy a labrador because it is a good family dog and then kick it because it is not as good of a guard dog as a doberman. You want a man with six pack abs, then he wont be doing homework with the kids or spending time listening to you, he will be at the gym. Compromise goes both ways. But I know you were just championing the underdog as you saw it, just look at it from a different perspective.

For our divorced mother that was the reason for this thread, we know nothing as to how her marital status came to be what it is, but we know what she is doing now and it can be an indicator of what happened in the past, people rarely change that much, her priorities are still out of whack and until proven otherwise I’ll believe they always were. She thinks she is doing this for her children but she is robbing them of life’s lessons. She should downsize, perhaps even have become a dreaded renter, had her kids befriend less than perfect playmates, attend less than perfect schools and then watch her rise from the ashes as opposed to sacrificing for superficiality. It is one of life’s greatest lessons. I took my kids on a ride from Mcmansion to McCondo to McMansion and they are stronger and wiser because of the journey, something in hindsight I’m proud of and she is afraid of.

scardey-the advice is always free, 1-4 hour sessions will set you back a bottle or two of cab, maybe a cigar, but that is a bargain.

I’m getting tired again, I’ll make mysoginistic jokes later or tomorrow, enough deep thoughts, i have my fans to consider.

[zzz]

Woman can very rarely have it all, at least not in the classical societal definition. If the definition is to have success in your career (read money and power), the perfect family, gorgeous husband, beautiful home, and your sanity and health, well I challenge you to find many woman. I challenge you to find many men who fit this definition. I don’t know too many truly balanced people period. Most people either work too much, or play too much or do both and burn the candle at both ends, neglect their health, obsess about their health/appearance, obsessed about something, unhappy in their relationships, etc.

Lets face it, woman’s eggs have a shelf life. Assume a woman went to college, graduated at 22, etc. By the time they are in their early to mid 30s, they have to choose whether they want to have children and take a breather from their career during their prime child bearing years that coincides with a time when their careers are peaking. As someone else pointed out, if you do have a high powered job that consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, why do you want to have children? Incredibly selfish if its just because you “WANT” them. What about the children?

A lot of societal double standards around women versus men’s roles as a parent. I am not saying men are better or worse parents, just that society expect women to play an integral role and judge woman far more harshly. How often do people question why a father never picks up their kids from school versus if a mother was never available due to her career? How is it viewed when a woman travels incessantly and rarely sees her children versus a man? Lets not get into how men and woman are perceived differently in the workplace.

Men do not have to face having children with the same deadline. Swimmers may be less mobile, but for a lot of men, they still swim. Unlike women, most men’s swimmers don’t rot.

People look at me like I have 2 heads when asked if I want have children and don’t give them a standard answer. First off, men or women should never ask single people the following questions:

Why are you not married?
When are you getting married to your significant other?
When are you getting engaged?
Are you going to have children or do you want children?

Very personal questions. I personally have options but I have many friends, men and women who desperately want to either get married, or have children or both, and are lacking in both departments. Its like asking someone if they have inadequate genitalia. If you find the last question highly inappropriate to ask at a party, at work, etc, then you probably shouldn’t ask people any of the questions above either. Devastating questions if they are not options for people.

All of these choices are VERY personal and unique to individuals, couples etc and never the same for anyone.

[zzz]

Woman can very rarely have it all, at least not in the classical societal definition. If the definition is to have success in your career (read money and power), the perfect family, gorgeous husband, beautiful home, and your sanity and health, well I challenge you to find many woman. I challenge you to find many men who fit this definition. I don’t know too many truly balanced people period. Most people either work too much, or play too much or do both and burn the candle at both ends, neglect their health, obsess about their health/appearance, obsessed about something, unhappy in their relationships, etc.

Lets face it, woman’s eggs have a shelf life. Assume a woman went to college, graduated at 22, etc. By the time they are in their early to mid 30s, they have to choose whether they want to have children and take a breather from their career during their prime child bearing years that coincides with a time when their careers are peaking. As someone else pointed out, if you do have a high powered job that consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, why do you want to have children? Incredibly selfish if its just because you “WANT” them. What about the children?

A lot of societal double standards around women versus men’s roles as a parent. I am not saying men are better or worse parents, just that society expect women to play an integral role and judge woman far more harshly. How often do people question why a father never picks up their kids from school versus if a mother was never available due to her career? How is it viewed when a woman travels incessantly and rarely sees her children versus a man? Lets not get into how men and woman are perceived differently in the workplace.

Men do not have to face having children with the same deadline. Swimmers may be less mobile, but for a lot of men, they still swim. Unlike women, most men’s swimmers don’t rot.

People look at me like I have 2 heads when asked if I want have children and don’t give them a standard answer. First off, men or women should never ask single people the following questions:

Why are you not married?
When are you getting married to your significant other?
When are you getting engaged?
Are you going to have children or do you want children?

Very personal questions. I personally have options but I have many friends, men and women who desperately want to either get married, or have children or both, and are lacking in both departments. Its like asking someone if they have inadequate genitalia. If you find the last question highly inappropriate to ask at a party, at work, etc, then you probably shouldn’t ask people any of the questions above either. Devastating questions if they are not options for people.

All of these choices are VERY personal and unique to individuals, couples etc and never the same for anyone.

[zzz]

Woman can very rarely have it all, at least not in the classical societal definition. If the definition is to have success in your career (read money and power), the perfect family, gorgeous husband, beautiful home, and your sanity and health, well I challenge you to find many woman. I challenge you to find many men who fit this definition. I don’t know too many truly balanced people period. Most people either work too much, or play too much or do both and burn the candle at both ends, neglect their health, obsess about their health/appearance, obsessed about something, unhappy in their relationships, etc.

Lets face it, woman’s eggs have a shelf life. Assume a woman went to college, graduated at 22, etc. By the time they are in their early to mid 30s, they have to choose whether they want to have children and take a breather from their career during their prime child bearing years that coincides with a time when their careers are peaking. As someone else pointed out, if you do have a high powered job that consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, why do you want to have children? Incredibly selfish if its just because you “WANT” them. What about the children?

A lot of societal double standards around women versus men’s roles as a parent. I am not saying men are better or worse parents, just that society expect women to play an integral role and judge woman far more harshly. How often do people question why a father never picks up their kids from school versus if a mother was never available due to her career? How is it viewed when a woman travels incessantly and rarely sees her children versus a man? Lets not get into how men and woman are perceived differently in the workplace.

Men do not have to face having children with the same deadline. Swimmers may be less mobile, but for a lot of men, they still swim. Unlike women, most men’s swimmers don’t rot.

People look at me like I have 2 heads when asked if I want have children and don’t give them a standard answer. First off, men or women should never ask single people the following questions:

Why are you not married?
When are you getting married to your significant other?
When are you getting engaged?
Are you going to have children or do you want children?

Very personal questions. I personally have options but I have many friends, men and women who desperately want to either get married, or have children or both, and are lacking in both departments. Its like asking someone if they have inadequate genitalia. If you find the last question highly inappropriate to ask at a party, at work, etc, then you probably shouldn’t ask people any of the questions above either. Devastating questions if they are not options for people.

All of these choices are VERY personal and unique to individuals, couples etc and never the same for anyone.

[zzz]

Woman can very rarely have it all, at least not in the classical societal definition. If the definition is to have success in your career (read money and power), the perfect family, gorgeous husband, beautiful home, and your sanity and health, well I challenge you to find many woman. I challenge you to find many men who fit this definition. I don’t know too many truly balanced people period. Most people either work too much, or play too much or do both and burn the candle at both ends, neglect their health, obsess about their health/appearance, obsessed about something, unhappy in their relationships, etc.

Lets face it, woman’s eggs have a shelf life. Assume a woman went to college, graduated at 22, etc. By the time they are in their early to mid 30s, they have to choose whether they want to have children and take a breather from their career during their prime child bearing years that coincides with a time when their careers are peaking. As someone else pointed out, if you do have a high powered job that consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, why do you want to have children? Incredibly selfish if its just because you “WANT” them. What about the children?

A lot of societal double standards around women versus men’s roles as a parent. I am not saying men are better or worse parents, just that society expect women to play an integral role and judge woman far more harshly. How often do people question why a father never picks up their kids from school versus if a mother was never available due to her career? How is it viewed when a woman travels incessantly and rarely sees her children versus a man? Lets not get into how men and woman are perceived differently in the workplace.

Men do not have to face having children with the same deadline. Swimmers may be less mobile, but for a lot of men, they still swim. Unlike women, most men’s swimmers don’t rot.

People look at me like I have 2 heads when asked if I want have children and don’t give them a standard answer. First off, men or women should never ask single people the following questions:

Why are you not married?
When are you getting married to your significant other?
When are you getting engaged?
Are you going to have children or do you want children?

Very personal questions. I personally have options but I have many friends, men and women who desperately want to either get married, or have children or both, and are lacking in both departments. Its like asking someone if they have inadequate genitalia. If you find the last question highly inappropriate to ask at a party, at work, etc, then you probably shouldn’t ask people any of the questions above either. Devastating questions if they are not options for people.

All of these choices are VERY personal and unique to individuals, couples etc and never the same for anyone.

[zzz]

Woman can very rarely have it all, at least not in the classical societal definition. If the definition is to have success in your career (read money and power), the perfect family, gorgeous husband, beautiful home, and your sanity and health, well I challenge you to find many woman. I challenge you to find many men who fit this definition. I don’t know too many truly balanced people period. Most people either work too much, or play too much or do both and burn the candle at both ends, neglect their health, obsess about their health/appearance, obsessed about something, unhappy in their relationships, etc.

Lets face it, woman’s eggs have a shelf life. Assume a woman went to college, graduated at 22, etc. By the time they are in their early to mid 30s, they have to choose whether they want to have children and take a breather from their career during their prime child bearing years that coincides with a time when their careers are peaking. As someone else pointed out, if you do have a high powered job that consumes a disproportionate amount of your time, why do you want to have children? Incredibly selfish if its just because you “WANT” them. What about the children?

A lot of societal double standards around women versus men’s roles as a parent. I am not saying men are better or worse parents, just that society expect women to play an integral role and judge woman far more harshly. How often do people question why a father never picks up their kids from school versus if a mother was never available due to her career? How is it viewed when a woman travels incessantly and rarely sees her children versus a man? Lets not get into how men and woman are perceived differently in the workplace.

Men do not have to face having children with the same deadline. Swimmers may be less mobile, but for a lot of men, they still swim. Unlike women, most men’s swimmers don’t rot.

People look at me like I have 2 heads when asked if I want have children and don’t give them a standard answer. First off, men or women should never ask single people the following questions:

Why are you not married?
When are you getting married to your significant other?
When are you getting engaged?
Are you going to have children or do you want children?

Very personal questions. I personally have options but I have many friends, men and women who desperately want to either get married, or have children or both, and are lacking in both departments. Its like asking someone if they have inadequate genitalia. If you find the last question highly inappropriate to ask at a party, at work, etc, then you probably shouldn’t ask people any of the questions above either. Devastating questions if they are not options for people.

All of these choices are VERY personal and unique to individuals, couples etc and never the same for anyone.

[temeculaguy]

I’ll admit I’m in a bit of a fog, perhaps it’s cause I fell asleep in the daytime and am treating my illness with wine, but damn zzz, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of that. You lost me during the first sentence.

“inadequate gentailia” thems fighting words! I was all serene in my reflection and now I’ve got to head downstairs and find the tape measure because my iphone doesn’t have an app for that (flu, can you write an app for that, it’s my idea, I get 20%). I’m calling dibs right now on the screen name “inadequategenatalia,” this includes this site or any other site and over the line or fantasy football team names. I freaking dare any of you to make that your screen name on a singles website, no wait, I call dibs.

How do I abreviate that and make it a personalized license plate?

Thanks zzz, I’m out of my funk.

[temeculaguy]

I’ll admit I’m in a bit of a fog, perhaps it’s cause I fell asleep in the daytime and am treating my illness with wine, but damn zzz, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of that. You lost me during the first sentence.

“inadequate gentailia” thems fighting words! I was all serene in my reflection and now I’ve got to head downstairs and find the tape measure because my iphone doesn’t have an app for that (flu, can you write an app for that, it’s my idea, I get 20%). I’m calling dibs right now on the screen name “inadequategenatalia,” this includes this site or any other site and over the line or fantasy football team names. I freaking dare any of you to make that your screen name on a singles website, no wait, I call dibs.

How do I abreviate that and make it a personalized license plate?

Thanks zzz, I’m out of my funk.

[temeculaguy]

I’ll admit I’m in a bit of a fog, perhaps it’s cause I fell asleep in the daytime and am treating my illness with wine, but damn zzz, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of that. You lost me during the first sentence.

“inadequate gentailia” thems fighting words! I was all serene in my reflection and now I’ve got to head downstairs and find the tape measure because my iphone doesn’t have an app for that (flu, can you write an app for that, it’s my idea, I get 20%). I’m calling dibs right now on the screen name “inadequategenatalia,” this includes this site or any other site and over the line or fantasy football team names. I freaking dare any of you to make that your screen name on a singles website, no wait, I call dibs.

How do I abreviate that and make it a personalized license plate?

Thanks zzz, I’m out of my funk.

[temeculaguy]

I’ll admit I’m in a bit of a fog, perhaps it’s cause I fell asleep in the daytime and am treating my illness with wine, but damn zzz, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of that. You lost me during the first sentence.

“inadequate gentailia” thems fighting words! I was all serene in my reflection and now I’ve got to head downstairs and find the tape measure because my iphone doesn’t have an app for that (flu, can you write an app for that, it’s my idea, I get 20%). I’m calling dibs right now on the screen name “inadequategenatalia,” this includes this site or any other site and over the line or fantasy football team names. I freaking dare any of you to make that your screen name on a singles website, no wait, I call dibs.

How do I abreviate that and make it a personalized license plate?

Thanks zzz, I’m out of my funk.

[temeculaguy]

I’ll admit I’m in a bit of a fog, perhaps it’s cause I fell asleep in the daytime and am treating my illness with wine, but damn zzz, I can’t make heads or tails out of any of that. You lost me during the first sentence.

“inadequate gentailia” thems fighting words! I was all serene in my reflection and now I’ve got to head downstairs and find the tape measure because my iphone doesn’t have an app for that (flu, can you write an app for that, it’s my idea, I get 20%). I’m calling dibs right now on the screen name “inadequategenatalia,” this includes this site or any other site and over the line or fantasy football team names. I freaking dare any of you to make that your screen name on a singles website, no wait, I call dibs.

How do I abreviate that and make it a personalized license plate?

Thanks zzz, I’m out of my funk.

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

Most people, male or female, dont have it all – certainly not all the time. We each have to make choices and trade offs. That’s life.

Anecdotally, my sister just divorced and entered the workforce after a 10 year absence. Took her exactly 2 weeks to find a job, paying about $20K more than the one she left 10 years ago. The child support and alimony will add a huge chunk on top of that – and the alimony will be paid out for decades.

Also, most people, regardless of gender, will have several careers over the course of a lifetime. So I find the assertion that leaving the workforce for a period of time permanently damages employability a bit suspect. Maybe if she **wants** to be a partner in a “whiteshoe” law firm. Maybe if she **chooses** a career like an MD with substantial continuing education requirements. But these are exceptional situations.

The following two little nuggets below explain the earnings differences . . .

“Warren Farrell, Ph.D. shows that there are 25 career/life choices men and women make (hours, commute times) that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives, and that men in surveys prioritize money while women prioritize flexibility, shorter hours, shorter commutes, less physical risk and other factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents’ That’s why never-married childless women out earn their male counterparts, and female corporate directors now out earn their male counterparts.”

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

“However, if there is a woman paying the “mommy tax” by sacrificing her earning power to be at home full-time or part-time, there has to be a man in the household supporting the family and, by so doing, paying the “daddy tax.” In addition, men do our society’s most hazardous and demanding jobs, in large part because the higher pay allows them to better provide for their families. Nearly 100,000 American workers died from job-related injuries over the past decade and a half, 95% of them men. There were over 100 million workplace injuries in the US between 1976 and 1999, again the overwhelming majority of them suffered by men.“

http://www.glennsacks.com/the_price_of.htm

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

Most people, male or female, dont have it all – certainly not all the time. We each have to make choices and trade offs. That’s life.

Anecdotally, my sister just divorced and entered the workforce after a 10 year absence. Took her exactly 2 weeks to find a job, paying about $20K more than the one she left 10 years ago. The child support and alimony will add a huge chunk on top of that – and the alimony will be paid out for decades.

Also, most people, regardless of gender, will have several careers over the course of a lifetime. So I find the assertion that leaving the workforce for a period of time permanently damages employability a bit suspect. Maybe if she **wants** to be a partner in a “whiteshoe” law firm. Maybe if she **chooses** a career like an MD with substantial continuing education requirements. But these are exceptional situations.

The following two little nuggets below explain the earnings differences . . .

“Warren Farrell, Ph.D. shows that there are 25 career/life choices men and women make (hours, commute times) that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives, and that men in surveys prioritize money while women prioritize flexibility, shorter hours, shorter commutes, less physical risk and other factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents’ That’s why never-married childless women out earn their male counterparts, and female corporate directors now out earn their male counterparts.”

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

“However, if there is a woman paying the “mommy tax” by sacrificing her earning power to be at home full-time or part-time, there has to be a man in the household supporting the family and, by so doing, paying the “daddy tax.” In addition, men do our society’s most hazardous and demanding jobs, in large part because the higher pay allows them to better provide for their families. Nearly 100,000 American workers died from job-related injuries over the past decade and a half, 95% of them men. There were over 100 million workplace injuries in the US between 1976 and 1999, again the overwhelming majority of them suffered by men.“

http://www.glennsacks.com/the_price_of.htm

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

Most people, male or female, dont have it all – certainly not all the time. We each have to make choices and trade offs. That’s life.

Anecdotally, my sister just divorced and entered the workforce after a 10 year absence. Took her exactly 2 weeks to find a job, paying about $20K more than the one she left 10 years ago. The child support and alimony will add a huge chunk on top of that – and the alimony will be paid out for decades.

Also, most people, regardless of gender, will have several careers over the course of a lifetime. So I find the assertion that leaving the workforce for a period of time permanently damages employability a bit suspect. Maybe if she **wants** to be a partner in a “whiteshoe” law firm. Maybe if she **chooses** a career like an MD with substantial continuing education requirements. But these are exceptional situations.

The following two little nuggets below explain the earnings differences . . .

“Warren Farrell, Ph.D. shows that there are 25 career/life choices men and women make (hours, commute times) that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives, and that men in surveys prioritize money while women prioritize flexibility, shorter hours, shorter commutes, less physical risk and other factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents’ That’s why never-married childless women out earn their male counterparts, and female corporate directors now out earn their male counterparts.”

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

“However, if there is a woman paying the “mommy tax” by sacrificing her earning power to be at home full-time or part-time, there has to be a man in the household supporting the family and, by so doing, paying the “daddy tax.” In addition, men do our society’s most hazardous and demanding jobs, in large part because the higher pay allows them to better provide for their families. Nearly 100,000 American workers died from job-related injuries over the past decade and a half, 95% of them men. There were over 100 million workplace injuries in the US between 1976 and 1999, again the overwhelming majority of them suffered by men.“

http://www.glennsacks.com/the_price_of.htm

[jonnycsd]

[quote=CA renter]Again, I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

Most people, male or female, dont have it all – certainly not all the time. We each have to make choices and trade offs. That’s life.

Anecdotally, my sister just divorced and entered the workforce after a 10 year absence. Took her exactly 2 weeks to find a job, paying about $20K more than the one she left 10 years ago. The child support and alimony will add a huge chunk on top of that – and the alimony will be paid out for decades.

Also, most people, regardless of gender, will have several careers over the course of a lifetime. So I find the assertion that leaving the workforce for a period of time permanently damages employability a bit suspect. Maybe if she **wants** to be a partner in a “whiteshoe” law firm. Maybe if she **chooses** a career like an MD with substantial continuing education requirements. But these are exceptional situations.

The following two little nuggets below explain the earnings differences . . .

“Warren Farrell, Ph.D. shows that there are 25 career/life choices men and women make (hours, commute times) that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives, and that men in surveys prioritize money while women prioritize flexibility, shorter hours, shorter commutes, less physical risk and other factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents’ That’s why never-married childless women out earn their male counterparts, and female corporate directors now out earn their male counterparts.”

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

“However, if there is a woman paying the “mommy tax” by sacrificing her earning power to be at home full-time or part-time, there has to be a man in the household supporting the family and, by so doing, paying the “daddy tax.” In addition, men do our society’s most hazardous and demanding jobs, in large part because the higher pay allows them to better provide for their families. Nearly 100,000 American workers died from job-related injuries over the past decade and a half, 95% of them men. There were over 100 million workplace injuries in the US between 1976 and 1999, again the overwhelming majority of them suffered by men.“

http://www.glennsacks.com/the_price_of.htm

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