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January 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM #505530January 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM #504652scaredyclassicParticipant
money talks. people are hard to hear.
January 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM #504799scaredyclassicParticipantmoney talks. people are hard to hear.
January 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM #505204scaredyclassicParticipantmoney talks. people are hard to hear.
January 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM #505298scaredyclassicParticipantmoney talks. people are hard to hear.
January 22, 2010 at 5:05 PM #505550scaredyclassicParticipantmoney talks. people are hard to hear.
January 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM #504667paramountParticipant[quote=KSMountain]
In a sense, that really *does* limit speech – the speech of the corporation’s officers and even by extension its shareholders.[/quote]
No, it really *does/did* not limit their speech – companies could form PAC’s which had almost no restrictions in that regard.
Leading up to this decsion corporate interests excercised free speech with a bull horn and real people a wisper – now these real people have also been struck with laryngitis.
Corporations may be comprised of, but they are NOT a person (that seems pretty obvious to me).
January 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM #504814paramountParticipant[quote=KSMountain]
In a sense, that really *does* limit speech – the speech of the corporation’s officers and even by extension its shareholders.[/quote]
No, it really *does/did* not limit their speech – companies could form PAC’s which had almost no restrictions in that regard.
Leading up to this decsion corporate interests excercised free speech with a bull horn and real people a wisper – now these real people have also been struck with laryngitis.
Corporations may be comprised of, but they are NOT a person (that seems pretty obvious to me).
January 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM #505219paramountParticipant[quote=KSMountain]
In a sense, that really *does* limit speech – the speech of the corporation’s officers and even by extension its shareholders.[/quote]
No, it really *does/did* not limit their speech – companies could form PAC’s which had almost no restrictions in that regard.
Leading up to this decsion corporate interests excercised free speech with a bull horn and real people a wisper – now these real people have also been struck with laryngitis.
Corporations may be comprised of, but they are NOT a person (that seems pretty obvious to me).
January 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM #505313paramountParticipant[quote=KSMountain]
In a sense, that really *does* limit speech – the speech of the corporation’s officers and even by extension its shareholders.[/quote]
No, it really *does/did* not limit their speech – companies could form PAC’s which had almost no restrictions in that regard.
Leading up to this decsion corporate interests excercised free speech with a bull horn and real people a wisper – now these real people have also been struck with laryngitis.
Corporations may be comprised of, but they are NOT a person (that seems pretty obvious to me).
January 22, 2010 at 8:54 PM #505565paramountParticipant[quote=KSMountain]
In a sense, that really *does* limit speech – the speech of the corporation’s officers and even by extension its shareholders.[/quote]
No, it really *does/did* not limit their speech – companies could form PAC’s which had almost no restrictions in that regard.
Leading up to this decsion corporate interests excercised free speech with a bull horn and real people a wisper – now these real people have also been struck with laryngitis.
Corporations may be comprised of, but they are NOT a person (that seems pretty obvious to me).
January 22, 2010 at 9:10 PM #504698bsrsharmaParticipantPurely as a business strategy, I think spending money on election campaigns has a lower return on investment compared to alternatives. For example, lobbying. Financing campaigns produces uncertain results whereas “buying” the politician after the election produces predictable outcomes. Look at the enormous success of lobbyists compared to voters in U.S. at every level of government.
Another issue many have raised is whether foreigners/foreign government have freedom of speech in U.S. I believe they have; but it would be stupid foreigner to push the commonsense limits. Again alternative modes are more effective. See the success of American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Similarly, China achieves its objectives through U.S. Chamber of Commerce rather than engaging in “free speech”.
January 22, 2010 at 9:10 PM #504843bsrsharmaParticipantPurely as a business strategy, I think spending money on election campaigns has a lower return on investment compared to alternatives. For example, lobbying. Financing campaigns produces uncertain results whereas “buying” the politician after the election produces predictable outcomes. Look at the enormous success of lobbyists compared to voters in U.S. at every level of government.
Another issue many have raised is whether foreigners/foreign government have freedom of speech in U.S. I believe they have; but it would be stupid foreigner to push the commonsense limits. Again alternative modes are more effective. See the success of American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Similarly, China achieves its objectives through U.S. Chamber of Commerce rather than engaging in “free speech”.
January 22, 2010 at 9:10 PM #505249bsrsharmaParticipantPurely as a business strategy, I think spending money on election campaigns has a lower return on investment compared to alternatives. For example, lobbying. Financing campaigns produces uncertain results whereas “buying” the politician after the election produces predictable outcomes. Look at the enormous success of lobbyists compared to voters in U.S. at every level of government.
Another issue many have raised is whether foreigners/foreign government have freedom of speech in U.S. I believe they have; but it would be stupid foreigner to push the commonsense limits. Again alternative modes are more effective. See the success of American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Similarly, China achieves its objectives through U.S. Chamber of Commerce rather than engaging in “free speech”.
January 22, 2010 at 9:10 PM #505343bsrsharmaParticipantPurely as a business strategy, I think spending money on election campaigns has a lower return on investment compared to alternatives. For example, lobbying. Financing campaigns produces uncertain results whereas “buying” the politician after the election produces predictable outcomes. Look at the enormous success of lobbyists compared to voters in U.S. at every level of government.
Another issue many have raised is whether foreigners/foreign government have freedom of speech in U.S. I believe they have; but it would be stupid foreigner to push the commonsense limits. Again alternative modes are more effective. See the success of American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Similarly, China achieves its objectives through U.S. Chamber of Commerce rather than engaging in “free speech”.
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