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[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]Correlation does not imply causation.

This is a silly discussion.

A school’s religious-ness has nothing to do with the success of the students.[/quote]

Arraya: My point regarding Catholic/Christian/parochial schools had nothing to do with religiosity. Quite the contrary. My point was that such schools deliver consistently excellent education and that RELIGIOSITY DOES NOT INTERVENE.

Brian’s assertion regarding “Kansans” and Christians is that both groups are ignorant rubes and unable to see beyond their narrow blinders.

My riposte was that the exact opposite is true and that Faith and Reason are both necessary to fully open your mind and that there are literally hundreds of examples showing the interplay between Faith and Reason in philosophy, science and literature.

The true ignorance and bigotry is found in his broad brush approach that makes anyone of faith stupid, mindless and easily led. I take issue and offense, especially coming from someone who is mindless and easily led himself.

[Aecetia]

Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.

[Aecetia]

Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.

[Aecetia]

Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.

[Aecetia]

Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.

[Aecetia]

Ditto what Allan says about Catholic schools. It is the academic rigorousness, not the religion. They do not teach to the slowest. The slowest can be tutored. They are not bogged down in political correctness either. Religion is not the point. It is academic discipline.

[Arraya]

Ok, I agree

[Arraya]

Ok, I agree

[Arraya]

Ok, I agree

[Arraya]

Ok, I agree

[Arraya]

Ok, I agree

[briansd1]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]
My point is “they” are out there in far greater numbers than you can possibly fathom from what I can tell. And many of “them” are humble servants who understand “grace”, and won’t run around beating your head with a bible. Grace in fact does seem to be a lost term with certain types, and I am wholly (holy? ) with you on getting ticked at those people. I for different reasons than you, but nonetheless, I understand your frustration with them. I just think you are painting too broad of a brush here. There are probably 10 christians of the type I describe for every one you seem to be complaining about.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that I’m painting with too broad a brush.

I was referring to the omniscient religious home-schoolers.

I myself once attended a great catholic school. My parents sent me there not for the religion but for the education.

My rebuttal of Allan’s bigotry charge is that if it’s OK for religious folks to preach that you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe in God, then it should be equally OK to declare that believing in God is irrational.

Religious people have their own social clubs (churches) which don’t pay income or property taxes. There is a whole elaborate social structure that supports religion.

If the religious people want to pray, I’m not stopping them.

As reciprocation, I should be accorded the freedom to not believe in God and express my opinions about religion, just like the believers express their feelings about the need for religion everyday.

[briansd1]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]
My point is “they” are out there in far greater numbers than you can possibly fathom from what I can tell. And many of “them” are humble servants who understand “grace”, and won’t run around beating your head with a bible. Grace in fact does seem to be a lost term with certain types, and I am wholly (holy? ) with you on getting ticked at those people. I for different reasons than you, but nonetheless, I understand your frustration with them. I just think you are painting too broad of a brush here. There are probably 10 christians of the type I describe for every one you seem to be complaining about.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that I’m painting with too broad a brush.

I was referring to the omniscient religious home-schoolers.

I myself once attended a great catholic school. My parents sent me there not for the religion but for the education.

My rebuttal of Allan’s bigotry charge is that if it’s OK for religious folks to preach that you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe in God, then it should be equally OK to declare that believing in God is irrational.

Religious people have their own social clubs (churches) which don’t pay income or property taxes. There is a whole elaborate social structure that supports religion.

If the religious people want to pray, I’m not stopping them.

As reciprocation, I should be accorded the freedom to not believe in God and express my opinions about religion, just like the believers express their feelings about the need for religion everyday.

[briansd1]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]
My point is “they” are out there in far greater numbers than you can possibly fathom from what I can tell. And many of “them” are humble servants who understand “grace”, and won’t run around beating your head with a bible. Grace in fact does seem to be a lost term with certain types, and I am wholly (holy? ) with you on getting ticked at those people. I for different reasons than you, but nonetheless, I understand your frustration with them. I just think you are painting too broad of a brush here. There are probably 10 christians of the type I describe for every one you seem to be complaining about.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that I’m painting with too broad a brush.

I was referring to the omniscient religious home-schoolers.

I myself once attended a great catholic school. My parents sent me there not for the religion but for the education.

My rebuttal of Allan’s bigotry charge is that if it’s OK for religious folks to preach that you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe in God, then it should be equally OK to declare that believing in God is irrational.

Religious people have their own social clubs (churches) which don’t pay income or property taxes. There is a whole elaborate social structure that supports religion.

If the religious people want to pray, I’m not stopping them.

As reciprocation, I should be accorded the freedom to not believe in God and express my opinions about religion, just like the believers express their feelings about the need for religion everyday.

[briansd1]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]
My point is “they” are out there in far greater numbers than you can possibly fathom from what I can tell. And many of “them” are humble servants who understand “grace”, and won’t run around beating your head with a bible. Grace in fact does seem to be a lost term with certain types, and I am wholly (holy? ) with you on getting ticked at those people. I for different reasons than you, but nonetheless, I understand your frustration with them. I just think you are painting too broad of a brush here. There are probably 10 christians of the type I describe for every one you seem to be complaining about.[/quote]

Yes, I agree that I’m painting with too broad a brush.

I was referring to the omniscient religious home-schoolers.

I myself once attended a great catholic school. My parents sent me there not for the religion but for the education.

My rebuttal of Allan’s bigotry charge is that if it’s OK for religious folks to preach that you’ll go to hell if you don’t believe in God, then it should be equally OK to declare that believing in God is irrational.

Religious people have their own social clubs (churches) which don’t pay income or property taxes. There is a whole elaborate social structure that supports religion.

If the religious people want to pray, I’m not stopping them.

As reciprocation, I should be accorded the freedom to not believe in God and express my opinions about religion, just like the believers express their feelings about the need for religion everyday.

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