The cost of an Ivy League undergrad degree next year….

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.[/quote]Specialist at the top of his field is not the same as going to Elite U? Do you care that your specialist went to Harvard for had 100% success rate in their operations and have great bed side manner? I don’t even know where my general practice doctor went to school but I do know when I don’t get treated well and would change doctor to one where he/she would spend proper amount of time with me. I also would ask for personal recommendation from other people. I’ve never gotten recommendation that start with, Dr. so and so went to Harvard. It’s more of, Dr. so and so doesn’t rush to get you out of the office, talk to you about a more holistic approach and truly care about your well being. As for specialist, I would care more about Dr. so and so have done 100s of so and so procedure with great success rate more than where he went to school.[/quote]

I care enough that they didn’t go to university of phoenix. Whether it’s a Harvard or Stanford or UCLA or some other reputable med school, not so much,

[an]

[quote=flu]I care enough that they didn’t go to university of phoenix. Whether it’s a Harvard or Stanford or UCLA or some other reputable med school, not so much,[/quote]Me too, but I don’t think you can get a MD at University of Phoenix.

[an]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.[/quote]You didn’t say where they went to school… I totally agree with you about those criteria and those would be mine too.[/quote]

One went to Harvard, one’s from John Hopkins, one’s from UCLA, from New Zealand[/quote]Would you have ignored the guy/gal from UCLA since it’s not Ivy?

[FlyerInHi]

I don’t go to the doctor’s. Unless you have cancer or have bad genes, better not go.
My doctor see me every 10 years or so.

[fun4vnay2]

Never saw a doctor so far except once for regular check up.., I am in my early 40s

My parents are in late sixties and so far have never seen the doctors as well

I try to eat good and exercise regularly..
Been lucky so far.. thanks to the Powers!

[FlyerInHi]

good job, rockingtime.
Even $35 co-pay is too much for me to pay for a prescription for pills.
I’m the healthier of all my long time friends. The people who run to the doctor’s for every little ailment take pills, then more pills which lead to more several ailments, then chronic conditions.

Talking about cost of education… the worse offenders in making money are dentists. The young dentists these days have to buy into groups so they have big loans to service.. So every patient is a walk-in ATM and upsell potential.

Take care of your teeth… floss everyday. Gargle with hydrogen peroxide after you eat something to avoid cavities.

[fun4vnay2]

I can’t really afford visits to docs although I have good health insur.
But doing preventative actions are cheaper. I hope I stay healthy.., I’d give my best shot.

It is so easy to succumb to unhealthy habits…

I wish everyone stays healthy.

[Anonymous]

[quote=AN][quote=harvey]Y’all are ignoring a very important aspect of the cost/benefits.

If your kid gets into the Ivy League and doesn’t go, they’ll spend the rest of their life thinking “I could have gone to …”[/quote]If you’re that smart, you wouldn’t think that way. [/quote]

I’m certainly not that smart, and probably not entirely serious either.

[scaredyclassic]

Look, everyone wants the “best”.  If I need a doctor, I want the doc who knows what’s up, and the good schooling is an apparent indicator of that.  And with my kid, of course, I want what ‘best” for him, and it feels like one is closing doors by not going with the “best”.  But I submit to you that what is ‘best’ is often not so apparent on the surface, and is more of the whole package, not just the prestige.  It’s like saying the best wife is the most beautiful wife, because, well, look at her, she’s gorgeous.  That is obviously poor planning.  The best solution to any problem is multifaceted, generally involves monetary considerations, and is sometimes counterintuitive. 

 

People from cal state, and other state schools across this great nation of ours get in to medical schools every day.  And they make as much or more money than their more heavily indebted counterparts.

 

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]So at least from the specialists I’ve seen, it mattered to me what their background, research, and area of expertise was.[/quote]You didn’t say where they went to school… I totally agree with you about those criteria and those would be mine too.[/quote]

All very nice. But how does this help the doc financially???

[Anonymous]

[quote=flu][quote=AN][quote=flu]I wouldn’t go see a “pain specialist” unless that specialist was top of his field. And that usually doesn’t happen when the doctor has sheety credentials.

In as much as I needed serious legal help, I wouldn’t go to someone with a JD from University of Phoenix.[/quote]Specialist at the top of his field is not the same as going to Elite U? Do you care that your specialist went to Harvard for had 100% success rate in their operations and have great bed side manner? I don’t even know where my general practice doctor went to school but I do know when I don’t get treated well and would change doctor to one where he/she would spend proper amount of time with me. I also would ask for personal recommendation from other people. I’ve never gotten recommendation that start with, Dr. so and so went to Harvard. It’s more of, Dr. so and so doesn’t rush to get you out of the office, talk to you about a more holistic approach and truly care about your well being. As for specialist, I would care more about Dr. so and so have done 100s of so and so procedure with great success rate more than where he went to school.[/quote]

I care enough that they didn’t go to university of phoenix. Whether it’s a Harvard or Stanford or UCLA or some other reputable med school, not so much,[/quote]

What is an example of a non-reputable Med school (Among all accredited Med schools in U.S.) that would make you think twice about seeing a doctor from that school?

There are probably hundreds of good Med schools outside of the three you mentioned that are just fine. Harvard, Stanford, UCLA is a pretty limited and elite list.

[spdrun]

Location of residency might actually be more important than school. The curricula are pretty similar nationwide and the exams are the same. Whom they apprentice with after finishing university determines what additional knowledge they gain, beyond the bare requirements.

[an]

Here are the ranking of top research medical school:
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings?int=af3309&int=b3b50a&int=b14409
and top primary care medical school: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/primary-care-rankings?int=af3309&int=b3b50a&int=aac509

Funny part is, for primary care, the top 10 are all public schools. Harvard came in @ 11. For research, the list is reversed and most are private. However, 6 out of the top 20 are public. UCSF, UCLA, and UCSD are three of the 6.

So, depend on what kind of doctor you want to be, Ivy might not even be a good choice. If you want to be a primary care physician, not only is Harvard expensive, it’s not even the best. You’d want to get into University of North Carolina—​Chapel Hill. They’re #2 and it only cost you $18k compare to Harvard’s $54k.

UCSF is the only one that is the top 3 for both list. So, it seems like UCSF might have the best program overall, IMHO.

If you live in San Diego, the best bang for your buck would be UCSD. #17 in research and #19 in primary care. Your kid can stay at home to save mucho $ too :-).

[Anonymous]

TV doctors always seem so competent but the real world is quite different.

[joec]

I think getting into UCSF and some of the other UC med programs are just as hard probably as some privates. That said, something that wasn’t mentioned is that if you were seeing a doctor, a lawyer, tech guy or anything in life, doesn’t it make sense to see someone who is probably the best or hardest working?

Usually, but not always, the guy who even got into Harvard or top programs are already people who can and have worked their asses off to get there. I’m sure you have some folks who are smart at SDSU, but I don’t think those people are anywhere near the caliber of the guy at some of these other places. The reason is because the person at the top private school, if he was top probably was recruited and given free tuition if they couldn’t afford it. Look at this high school guy who I know is smarter than me…Look at the end of the article where me would like to go to school:
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/dec/10/eric-chen-siemens-flu-project-canyon-crest-academy/

Do you see a UC there? Will your own learning or research or think big go further working and studying next to this guy or the 3.6 gpa guy going to SDSU?

The reason Essbee posted about her med school experience was because if you wanted to go to a top program, you probably have to also go to a top school and do really well. Going to Cal State isn’t going to cut it I feel and think some folks here are being a bit short sighted when it comes to the money.

scaredy, I think you’re doing your kids a disservice by not at least considering the option as more of a positive if they even get in rather than forcing SDSU down their throats.

Again, please note that there is no guaranty that the ivy grad will do better, but, in general, they do make MORE money so the guy who posted that the cal state guy can make more or just as much is smoking crack:
UCB is 20th on this list. Other than the military ones (which are awesome deals if you can get in (also very hard to get in)), all the pay from graduation to 5 years out is higher on average for all the private schools:
http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report-2014/full-list-of-schools

That said, you still have to get in…Is it worth it? Generally, you can

Again, my views are also based on my own experience and I felt UC degree is worth “less” than say a degree from Stanford/Harvard, etc…when looking for new jobs, business connections, etc…

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