Common sense

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote:Allan from Fallbrook]
Brian: Uh, let’s see, 100 years ago would be 1911, right? And World War I started when? Oh, yeah, 1914.

Dude. Europe 100 years ago was experiencing some of the most fervent nationalism going and was on the cusp of one of the most destructive wars in world history. Europe was NOT a lot more multi-cultural at all, and borders were sure as hell NOT more flexible and changing.[/quote]

The borders used to change frequently with empires. Not until after WWI were the border fixed.

If you look at Alsace-Lorraine, that region was traded between France and Germany for centuries. People used to be bilingual and go back and forth freely, but after WWI, people on either side were prohibited from even learning the “foreign” language.

I know a German women in her 70s, from the Black Forest area accross from France. When growing up, she was prohibited from speaking French.

True that fervent nationalism was horribly destructive to Europe. So why revive that? If anything, multiculturalism is peace inducing (only if politicians would not fan the flames of nationalism and hatred).

Go back another 100 years to the early 1800s and there was more multiculturalism in Europe. People more or less freely crossed borders, according to the means of transport of the time.

Another example of ugly nationalism is how it split up families and created divides that did not exist.

The royal families of Europe before WWI would marry foreigners frequently.

Previously, an Italian could become Queen of France. A Frenchman could become King of Poland, Spain or Sweden. British royals were German. The elite was the melting pot of Europe.

Because of nationalism even the British royals had to abandon their family name and turn their backs on their first cousins in Germany and Russia.

Nationalism is ugly, destructive and leads to war.[/quote]

Brian: My grandmom left Germany with my dad and my uncle in 1935. I’m familiar with the Alsace changing hands, and I’ve actually seen the same textbook in both French and German.

If we back up 100 years from 1911, we’re smack dab in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars, and fervent nationalism was rampant then, too.

Back up 100 years from then, and we’re dealing with the Wars in the Age of Reason. More nationalism.

As to intermarriage between the French and British and Germans, et al, this was largely driven by politics and advantage, and had nothing to do with any sort of multiculturalism. The various ruling families were always seeking a means to further their ambitions and marriage was a very convenient means to do so.

[scaredyclassic]

Ok it’s almost Hitler time . European history…

I cannot remember what the argents were in favor of female circumcision but I am vehemently opposed on real life to legalized male circumcision or as the people at nocirc call it male genital mutilation.

[scaredyclassic]

Ok it’s almost Hitler time . European history…

I cannot remember what the argents were in favor of female circumcision but I am vehemently opposed on real life to legalized male circumcision or as the people at nocirc call it male genital mutilation.

[scaredyclassic]

Ok it’s almost Hitler time . European history…

I cannot remember what the argents were in favor of female circumcision but I am vehemently opposed on real life to legalized male circumcision or as the people at nocirc call it male genital mutilation.

[scaredyclassic]

Ok it’s almost Hitler time . European history…

I cannot remember what the argents were in favor of female circumcision but I am vehemently opposed on real life to legalized male circumcision or as the people at nocirc call it male genital mutilation.

[scaredyclassic]

Ok it’s almost Hitler time . European history…

I cannot remember what the argents were in favor of female circumcision but I am vehemently opposed on real life to legalized male circumcision or as the people at nocirc call it male genital mutilation.

[LuckyInOC]

I just have to do it…

I admit God really messed things up at the Tower of Babel..

So was God for or against multiculturalism?
Did God want us to be separate but equal?
Is there conflict in the world just because of God?

Hmmmmmm..

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

I just have to do it…

I admit God really messed things up at the Tower of Babel..

So was God for or against multiculturalism?
Did God want us to be separate but equal?
Is there conflict in the world just because of God?

Hmmmmmm..

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

I just have to do it…

I admit God really messed things up at the Tower of Babel..

So was God for or against multiculturalism?
Did God want us to be separate but equal?
Is there conflict in the world just because of God?

Hmmmmmm..

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

I just have to do it…

I admit God really messed things up at the Tower of Babel..

So was God for or against multiculturalism?
Did God want us to be separate but equal?
Is there conflict in the world just because of God?

Hmmmmmm..

Lucky In OC

[LuckyInOC]

I just have to do it…

I admit God really messed things up at the Tower of Babel..

So was God for or against multiculturalism?
Did God want us to be separate but equal?
Is there conflict in the world just because of God?

Hmmmmmm..

Lucky In OC

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=walterwhite]I once wrote an academic paper arguing in favor of legalizing female circumcision in the USA … I’ve always been a contrarian.[/quote]

And you still live?!?

You must be very persuasive! 😛

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=walterwhite]I once wrote an academic paper arguing in favor of legalizing female circumcision in the USA … I’ve always been a contrarian.[/quote]

And you still live?!?

You must be very persuasive! 😛

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=walterwhite]I once wrote an academic paper arguing in favor of legalizing female circumcision in the USA … I’ve always been a contrarian.[/quote]

And you still live?!?

You must be very persuasive! 😛

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=walterwhite]I once wrote an academic paper arguing in favor of legalizing female circumcision in the USA … I’ve always been a contrarian.[/quote]

And you still live?!?

You must be very persuasive! 😛

CE

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