Career Advice Request

[Coronita]

Borat- Too late. Too many people…

 

Original poster. You really have to ask yourself. Why do you want to be a lawyer?… If it's a money thing. Think again. There are many careers that school/background doesn't make a huge difference (engineering might be one where say a UCLA or USCD won't make a huge difference). Talking to friends, it's completely different for lawyers. Top pay, school does matter. And a few lawyer friends from sh!tty law schools don't quite do quite as well as some of the geek types (could also be in their line of work). Also, I hope you like to read…a lot…

Patent law was something that I was interested in. But after thinking about things, I wouldn't like to be reading about what everyone else did. But that's just me.

That's why when I look at other careers, engineering isn't that bad. Yes, it's average pay, but you really don't have that sort of pecking order you do in other professions. The pay disparity between lawyers from different schools and finance people from different MBA's is astounding.

You think (no offense to USD/SDSU MBA holders) those folks would be able to get jobs on Wall Street pulling in 7 figures? If it were the case, it would be more the exception than the rule.

 

 

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[bjensen]

sdjdguy –

Thanks for the advice… I would not consider SD Law, but that’s ok, because I am up in Orange County anyway. I would like to eventually end up in SD though.

A question though, if I get into a top 20 and don’t graduate in the top quartile, is there still hope? Or will I be relegated to $20.00 per hour doc review?

I just want to make sure I can make it post-graduation.

I wasn’t going to consider anything less than top 25, do you think that is too deep today with the glut of third tier grads?

Finally, what do you think of UCLA or Hastings for placement in California?

If I didn’t go either of those places, it would probably be East Coast for me since the LSAT I would need for Stanford or Berkeley isn’t something I am counting on till I take the test!

Thanks!

[bjensen]

sdjdguy –

Thanks for the advice… I would not consider SD Law, but that’s ok, because I am up in Orange County anyway. I would like to eventually end up in SD though.

A question though, if I get into a top 20 and don’t graduate in the top quartile, is there still hope? Or will I be relegated to $20.00 per hour doc review?

I just want to make sure I can make it post-graduation.

I wasn’t going to consider anything less than top 25, do you think that is too deep today with the glut of third tier grads?

Finally, what do you think of UCLA or Hastings for placement in California?

If I didn’t go either of those places, it would probably be East Coast for me since the LSAT I would need for Stanford or Berkeley isn’t something I am counting on till I take the test!

Thanks!

[bjensen]

sdjdguy –

Thanks for the advice… I would not consider SD Law, but that’s ok, because I am up in Orange County anyway. I would like to eventually end up in SD though.

A question though, if I get into a top 20 and don’t graduate in the top quartile, is there still hope? Or will I be relegated to $20.00 per hour doc review?

I just want to make sure I can make it post-graduation.

I wasn’t going to consider anything less than top 25, do you think that is too deep today with the glut of third tier grads?

Finally, what do you think of UCLA or Hastings for placement in California?

If I didn’t go either of those places, it would probably be East Coast for me since the LSAT I would need for Stanford or Berkeley isn’t something I am counting on till I take the test!

Thanks!

[bjensen]

sdjdguy –

Thanks for the advice… I would not consider SD Law, but that’s ok, because I am up in Orange County anyway. I would like to eventually end up in SD though.

A question though, if I get into a top 20 and don’t graduate in the top quartile, is there still hope? Or will I be relegated to $20.00 per hour doc review?

I just want to make sure I can make it post-graduation.

I wasn’t going to consider anything less than top 25, do you think that is too deep today with the glut of third tier grads?

Finally, what do you think of UCLA or Hastings for placement in California?

If I didn’t go either of those places, it would probably be East Coast for me since the LSAT I would need for Stanford or Berkeley isn’t something I am counting on till I take the test!

Thanks!

[bjensen]

sdjdguy –

Thanks for the advice… I would not consider SD Law, but that’s ok, because I am up in Orange County anyway. I would like to eventually end up in SD though.

A question though, if I get into a top 20 and don’t graduate in the top quartile, is there still hope? Or will I be relegated to $20.00 per hour doc review?

I just want to make sure I can make it post-graduation.

I wasn’t going to consider anything less than top 25, do you think that is too deep today with the glut of third tier grads?

Finally, what do you think of UCLA or Hastings for placement in California?

If I didn’t go either of those places, it would probably be East Coast for me since the LSAT I would need for Stanford or Berkeley isn’t something I am counting on till I take the test!

Thanks!

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[Anonymous]

bjensen, I could have written your original post since I am in the exact same situation as you, only a few years older with a few more children. Also, my scores have landed me into a few schools ranked 50-75, and waitlisted this year at three in the 25-50 range.

Rankings are an interesting matter that we could discuss for hours, but at the end of the discussion I think we would both agree that they matter alot. I have been looking into this law school thing for three years now and have consistantly heard that if you attend one of the top say 10 schools in the nation you are going to be golden pretty much wherever you rank in your class. I’m sure the opportunities are better for those who rank higher, but apparently even if you are the bottom ranked guy at Michigan or Duke you can go out there and make 125k+ a year at a big firm.

Once you get beyond the top 10, I don’t think it is as straight forward. For example, if you were to attend Washington University in St. Louis, or the University of Iowa, I don’t know if you would actually be at that much more of an advantage in SoCal compared to those who attended USD in San Diego and finished in the top 25%, or even those inn the top 50% who were able to network their way to a job locally. This all assumes you aren’t in IP law or some other in-demand specialty. For IP law, I have actually heard it doesn’t matter where you go, but again I’m sure that IP graduates from the top schools place much better.

At a certain point, probably somewhere past the top 10-15 schools, I have heard people recommend that you take into account the region where you want to work. U of Illinois is ranked 25 now, so if you want to end up in Chicago or Des Moines it might be a good bet. But if you hope to practice in Colorado, I have to think you will have better opportunities if you go to #36 ranked Colorado, or even #70 or so ranked Denver.

All of this brings me to the most important point of all, and one that I am currently considering. Do you really, really want to be a lawyer? Are you good at, and will you enjoy the activities that lawyers engage in? To help you answer this, I recommend that you read this book linked below. It is the best book ever written on this topic. If your answer to this question is a resounding ‘yes’, then you will not be as concerned about whether it will be worth it if you rank in the bottom 50% at a top 20 school etc, etc. If you attend a top 100 school and do well you will find opportunities in the region where you go to school. Most of the 125k-150k a year jobs you hear about are in biglaw, in big cities, and include hellish billable hours and a lifestyle you may not even desire…

[Anonymous]

bjensen, I could have written your original post since I am in the exact same situation as you, only a few years older with a few more children. Also, my scores have landed me into a few schools ranked 50-75, and waitlisted this year at three in the 25-50 range.

Rankings are an interesting matter that we could discuss for hours, but at the end of the discussion I think we would both agree that they matter alot. I have been looking into this law school thing for three years now and have consistantly heard that if you attend one of the top say 10 schools in the nation you are going to be golden pretty much wherever you rank in your class. I’m sure the opportunities are better for those who rank higher, but apparently even if you are the bottom ranked guy at Michigan or Duke you can go out there and make 125k+ a year at a big firm.

Once you get beyond the top 10, I don’t think it is as straight forward. For example, if you were to attend Washington University in St. Louis, or the University of Iowa, I don’t know if you would actually be at that much more of an advantage in SoCal compared to those who attended USD in San Diego and finished in the top 25%, or even those inn the top 50% who were able to network their way to a job locally. This all assumes you aren’t in IP law or some other in-demand specialty. For IP law, I have actually heard it doesn’t matter where you go, but again I’m sure that IP graduates from the top schools place much better.

At a certain point, probably somewhere past the top 10-15 schools, I have heard people recommend that you take into account the region where you want to work. U of Illinois is ranked 25 now, so if you want to end up in Chicago or Des Moines it might be a good bet. But if you hope to practice in Colorado, I have to think you will have better opportunities if you go to #36 ranked Colorado, or even #70 or so ranked Denver.

All of this brings me to the most important point of all, and one that I am currently considering. Do you really, really want to be a lawyer? Are you good at, and will you enjoy the activities that lawyers engage in? To help you answer this, I recommend that you read this book linked below. It is the best book ever written on this topic. If your answer to this question is a resounding ‘yes’, then you will not be as concerned about whether it will be worth it if you rank in the bottom 50% at a top 20 school etc, etc. If you attend a top 100 school and do well you will find opportunities in the region where you go to school. Most of the 125k-150k a year jobs you hear about are in biglaw, in big cities, and include hellish billable hours and a lifestyle you may not even desire…

[Anonymous]

bjensen, I could have written your original post since I am in the exact same situation as you, only a few years older with a few more children. Also, my scores have landed me into a few schools ranked 50-75, and waitlisted this year at three in the 25-50 range.

Rankings are an interesting matter that we could discuss for hours, but at the end of the discussion I think we would both agree that they matter alot. I have been looking into this law school thing for three years now and have consistantly heard that if you attend one of the top say 10 schools in the nation you are going to be golden pretty much wherever you rank in your class. I’m sure the opportunities are better for those who rank higher, but apparently even if you are the bottom ranked guy at Michigan or Duke you can go out there and make 125k+ a year at a big firm.

Once you get beyond the top 10, I don’t think it is as straight forward. For example, if you were to attend Washington University in St. Louis, or the University of Iowa, I don’t know if you would actually be at that much more of an advantage in SoCal compared to those who attended USD in San Diego and finished in the top 25%, or even those inn the top 50% who were able to network their way to a job locally. This all assumes you aren’t in IP law or some other in-demand specialty. For IP law, I have actually heard it doesn’t matter where you go, but again I’m sure that IP graduates from the top schools place much better.

At a certain point, probably somewhere past the top 10-15 schools, I have heard people recommend that you take into account the region where you want to work. U of Illinois is ranked 25 now, so if you want to end up in Chicago or Des Moines it might be a good bet. But if you hope to practice in Colorado, I have to think you will have better opportunities if you go to #36 ranked Colorado, or even #70 or so ranked Denver.

All of this brings me to the most important point of all, and one that I am currently considering. Do you really, really want to be a lawyer? Are you good at, and will you enjoy the activities that lawyers engage in? To help you answer this, I recommend that you read this book linked below. It is the best book ever written on this topic. If your answer to this question is a resounding ‘yes’, then you will not be as concerned about whether it will be worth it if you rank in the bottom 50% at a top 20 school etc, etc. If you attend a top 100 school and do well you will find opportunities in the region where you go to school. Most of the 125k-150k a year jobs you hear about are in biglaw, in big cities, and include hellish billable hours and a lifestyle you may not even desire…

[Anonymous]

bjensen, I could have written your original post since I am in the exact same situation as you, only a few years older with a few more children. Also, my scores have landed me into a few schools ranked 50-75, and waitlisted this year at three in the 25-50 range.

Rankings are an interesting matter that we could discuss for hours, but at the end of the discussion I think we would both agree that they matter alot. I have been looking into this law school thing for three years now and have consistantly heard that if you attend one of the top say 10 schools in the nation you are going to be golden pretty much wherever you rank in your class. I’m sure the opportunities are better for those who rank higher, but apparently even if you are the bottom ranked guy at Michigan or Duke you can go out there and make 125k+ a year at a big firm.

Once you get beyond the top 10, I don’t think it is as straight forward. For example, if you were to attend Washington University in St. Louis, or the University of Iowa, I don’t know if you would actually be at that much more of an advantage in SoCal compared to those who attended USD in San Diego and finished in the top 25%, or even those inn the top 50% who were able to network their way to a job locally. This all assumes you aren’t in IP law or some other in-demand specialty. For IP law, I have actually heard it doesn’t matter where you go, but again I’m sure that IP graduates from the top schools place much better.

At a certain point, probably somewhere past the top 10-15 schools, I have heard people recommend that you take into account the region where you want to work. U of Illinois is ranked 25 now, so if you want to end up in Chicago or Des Moines it might be a good bet. But if you hope to practice in Colorado, I have to think you will have better opportunities if you go to #36 ranked Colorado, or even #70 or so ranked Denver.

All of this brings me to the most important point of all, and one that I am currently considering. Do you really, really want to be a lawyer? Are you good at, and will you enjoy the activities that lawyers engage in? To help you answer this, I recommend that you read this book linked below. It is the best book ever written on this topic. If your answer to this question is a resounding ‘yes’, then you will not be as concerned about whether it will be worth it if you rank in the bottom 50% at a top 20 school etc, etc. If you attend a top 100 school and do well you will find opportunities in the region where you go to school. Most of the 125k-150k a year jobs you hear about are in biglaw, in big cities, and include hellish billable hours and a lifestyle you may not even desire…

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