Can’t afford Carmel Valley? No problem….

[scaredyclassic]

University. V. Diversity.

[flyer]

Wow, it’s even worse than I thought. According to an article I just read, only 27% of those who have graduated from college in the last few years are finding jobs even remotely related to their degrees. Guess my 50% sample skewed high.

[njtosd]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=svelte]I have no desire to live in Carmel Valley. It’s another one of those places I just don’t understand.[/quote]

Fairly close to the ocean. Good schools. Easy access to Sorrento Valley, where I work.

That said, the bang for the buck isn’t great, and I doubt we’ll ever actually live there. I can see the appeal, just can’t justify the price premium for that appeal.[/quote]

FWIW – we bought and sold in CV in 2002 and 2007 (respectively) and earned a 70% return. We moved to the east coast and came back and bought in CV 2011 and our house has appreciated about 35% since then. So the bang for our buck has been great. But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.

[njtosd]

[quote=flu]Lol. diversity…..I’m all for diversity, as a positive influence…

But if I had to choose between having my kid surrounded by other kids/parents that want to be high achieving at the cost of diversity versus being surrounded by a bunch of more “diverse” parents/kids that don’t give a hoot… I think I’ll take the group of kids/parents that want to be high achieving at the sacrifice of “diversity” anyday. That’s school district agnostic so long as there are enough parents/kids in that district that want the same thing.[/quote]

Flu, as I’m sure you know, CV has lots of ethnic diversity but not very much economic diversity. In my experience, ethnic diversity without economic diversity doesn’t result in much diversity. Just a bunch of people from different areas of the world trying to help their kids into college . . .

[njtosd]

[quote=flyer]I think it would be far more revealing to see a breakdown of the stats concerning the percentage of students in various colleges who actually achieve the goals they set after graduation. As I mentioned in my small sample, we’re seeing about 50% among our friends and acquaintances who have kids in that age group.[/quote]

My sense is that most graduates are less willing to sacrifice for their ultimate career. For example, I’ve heard through the grapevine that students graduating from Rady School of Business won’t take jobs outside of the San Diego/LA area . . . even if it’s 3M, Proctor and Gamble, etc. They won’t even interview. Crazy. You might not want to live in Cincinnati forever, but the experience is worth a lot. My nephew had a shot at a job with a big tech company, but wouldn’t consider leaving Chicago. So if you put those kind of limitations on the job search, the chances of success are reduced.

[spdrun]

What’s wrong with just living in an enjoyable environment instead of sacrificing for a “career” that mostly benefits those far above you in the corporate chain? Maybe they get it better than people who are willing to slave and live in forsaken pestholes in order to fluff their resume. Only to be let go with a week’s notice when the corporation restructures.

You’re only young once, and some rotting, has-been city in Ohio isn’t the place for it.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd][quote=flu]
Flu, as I’m sure you know, CV has lots of ethnic diversity but not very much economic diversity. In my experience, ethnic diversity without economic diversity doesn’t result in much diversity. Just a bunch of people from different areas of the world trying to help their kids into college . . .[/quote]

If you include Mira Mesa and Kearny Mesa you have food diversity. The Arby’s in Mira Mesa is now a tofu house. Better than all hamburgers and fried chicken.

I don’t see how we can have economic diversity when everything is master planned, and everything is sold based on comps. You need diversity in housing in order to have economic diversity. You need organic growth, teardown and rebuild and multi family housing.

[flyer]

I’ve heard that also, nj. As long as they have the funds to enjoy their lives without the “big job” that’s great, but, the reality is that it may be a long and frustrating journey for them.

Many of us here were able to have it all–we’ve been able to pursue our chosen careers, enjoy substantial wealth, and live in our chosen location–but, as we all know, that’s not always possible for everyone.

Many may be forced to choose the level of life they are willing to accept in order to live where they want to live. This has been true in San Diego and CA in general for as long as I can remember, but now, there are just more people competing for the same (and more expensive) piece of the pie.

[Anonymous]

[quote=njtosd][quote=flu]Lol. diversity…..I’m all for diversity, as a positive influence…

But if I had to choose between having my kid surrounded by other kids/parents that want to be high achieving at the cost of diversity versus being surrounded by a bunch of more “diverse” parents/kids that don’t give a hoot… I think I’ll take the group of kids/parents that want to be high achieving at the sacrifice of “diversity” anyday. That’s school district agnostic so long as there are enough parents/kids in that district that want the same thing.[/quote]

Flu, as I’m sure you know, CV has lots of ethnic diversity but not very much economic diversity. In my experience, ethnic diversity without economic diversity doesn’t result in much diversity. Just a bunch of people from different areas of the world trying to help their kids into college . . .[/quote]

Exactly, not at all diverse socio economically. 87% of parents with 4 year degree or higher? Not at all representative of real world. What if your kid didn’t want to go to College, he/she would be ostracized in a school like that.

[njtosd]

[quote=spdrun]What’s wrong with just living in an enjoyable environment instead of sacrificing for a “career” that mostly benefits those far above you in the corporate chain? Maybe they get it better than people who are willing to slave and live in forsaken pestholes in order to fluff their resume. Only to be let go with a week’s notice when the corporation restructures.

You’re only young once, and some rotting, has-been city in Ohio isn’t the place for it.[/quote]

Another ray of sunshine from spdrun.

You realize that was a “for instance”, right? My point is that there is a lot to be learned at such places. You and or your future progeny can do what they like – but those with the most valuable experience will be the most employable. It was such a situation that led us to NJ for 4 years. The New Jerseyans werent a lot of fun – but the job was good. We didnt die (although the kids would claim we came close) and now we’re back here.

I have to say your negative attitude is a bit of a downer.

[an]

[quote=njtosd]But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.[/quote]I believe this is the most important factor of all. If your life events coincides with market cycle, then success tend to come much easier than if your life event doesn’t coincide with the market cycle.

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN][quote=njtosd]But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.[/quote]I believe this is the most important factor of all. If your life events coincides with market cycle, then success tend to come much easier than if your life event doesn’t coincide with the market cycle.[/quote]

Well… As we can all atest to, one can manipulate life events to coincide with market cycle…

[an]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=AN][quote=njtosd]But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.[/quote]I believe this is the most important factor of all. If your life events coincides with market cycle, then success tend to come much easier than if your life event doesn’t coincide with the market cycle.[/quote]

Well… As we can all atest to, one can manipulate life events to coincide with market cycle…[/quote]
Yes, it’s possible and I’ve done it. But it requires you to be aware of such cycle and modify your life events. Most people are not aware of such cycle and/or have no desire to learn about such cycle. For those majority, when you’re born and when your life event make a huge difference.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=AN][quote=njtosd]But we have been very lucky – our life events (birth of children, job changes) have coincided very well with the market.[/quote]I believe this is the most important factor of all. If your life events coincides with market cycle, then success tend to come much easier than if your life event doesn’t coincide with the market cycle.[/quote]

There were many studies of people entering the job market during economic booms. They did better over a lifetime.

[spdrun]

I have to say your negative attitude is a bit of a downer.

Thing is, I actually like NJ. Grew up there, and the state is quite a bit of fun. Interesting people, lots of diversity in food and culture, close to the best city in the US. Good beaches, hiking in the northwestern part. In many ways, it’s like a small California, and sorry you didn’t appreciate it. If you lived in the right town, your kids actually might have been happier than in California. Much less paranoia, no busing in some towns, so kids get to walk to school and hang out after hours rather than being tied to a rigid, car-based schedule.

It’s not some forsaken rust-belt town 200 miles from the nearest non-awful place.

As far as my attitude, it’s not negative. It’s anti-corporate and generally anti-authority. Some people accept the BS that “society” asks of them with a smile. I choose not to, or at least do so with a frown and a mouth full of spittle at the ready.

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