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[KIBU]

In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
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Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.

[CA renter]

[quote=KIBU]In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
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Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.[/quote]

That’s very scary.

Between them, the Gulf of Mexico, and the restrictions coming to the Pacific fisheries, the price of fish will probably skyrocket in the future.

[CA renter]

[quote=KIBU]In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
————————————-

Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.[/quote]

That’s very scary.

Between them, the Gulf of Mexico, and the restrictions coming to the Pacific fisheries, the price of fish will probably skyrocket in the future.

[CA renter]

[quote=KIBU]In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
————————————-

Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.[/quote]

That’s very scary.

Between them, the Gulf of Mexico, and the restrictions coming to the Pacific fisheries, the price of fish will probably skyrocket in the future.

[CA renter]

[quote=KIBU]In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
————————————-

Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.[/quote]

That’s very scary.

Between them, the Gulf of Mexico, and the restrictions coming to the Pacific fisheries, the price of fish will probably skyrocket in the future.

[CA renter]

[quote=KIBU]In China, Farming Fish in Toxic Waters
By DAVID BARBOZA

FUQING, China — Here in southern China, beneath the looming mountains of Fujian Province, lie dozens of enormous ponds filled with murky brown water and teeming with eels, shrimp and tilapia, much of it destined for markets in Japan and the West.

Fuqing is one of the centers of a booming industry that over two decades has transformed this country into the biggest producer and exporter of seafood in the world, and the fastest-growing supplier to the United States.

But that growth is threatened by the two most glaring environmental weaknesses in China: acute water shortages and water supplies contaminated by sewage, industrial waste and agricultural runoff that includes pesticides. The fish farms, in turn, are discharging wastewater that further pollutes the water supply.

“Our waters here are filthy,” said Ye Chao, an eel and shrimp farmer who has 20 giant ponds in western Fuqing. “There are simply too many aquaculture farms in this area. They’re all discharging water here, fouling up other farms.”

Farmers have coped with the toxic waters by mixing illegal veterinary drugs and pesticides into fish feed, which helps keep their stocks alive yet leaves poisonous and carcinogenic residues in seafood, posing health threats to consumers.

Environmental degradation, in other words, has become a food safety problem, and scientists say the long-term risks of consuming contaminated seafood could lead to higher rates of cancer and liver disease and other afflictions.
————————————-

Oops, I ‘ve been eating these Chinese seafood. Definitely time to cut back.

Life is already short.[/quote]

That’s very scary.

Between them, the Gulf of Mexico, and the restrictions coming to the Pacific fisheries, the price of fish will probably skyrocket in the future.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Brian,

Perhaps your experience is different from ours (and everyone else I know). Maybe you’ve managed to find goods made in China that were somehow equal to the quality we used to get in US made goods. Personally, I’ve never seen it.[/quote]

Ok, that might well be.

I’ve always had an eye for quality so I don’t buy junk.

I’m a big fan of globalization because it brought “luxury” the masses.

Quality is not about durability but design and utility.

For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Brian,

Perhaps your experience is different from ours (and everyone else I know). Maybe you’ve managed to find goods made in China that were somehow equal to the quality we used to get in US made goods. Personally, I’ve never seen it.[/quote]

Ok, that might well be.

I’ve always had an eye for quality so I don’t buy junk.

I’m a big fan of globalization because it brought “luxury” the masses.

Quality is not about durability but design and utility.

For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Brian,

Perhaps your experience is different from ours (and everyone else I know). Maybe you’ve managed to find goods made in China that were somehow equal to the quality we used to get in US made goods. Personally, I’ve never seen it.[/quote]

Ok, that might well be.

I’ve always had an eye for quality so I don’t buy junk.

I’m a big fan of globalization because it brought “luxury” the masses.

Quality is not about durability but design and utility.

For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Brian,

Perhaps your experience is different from ours (and everyone else I know). Maybe you’ve managed to find goods made in China that were somehow equal to the quality we used to get in US made goods. Personally, I’ve never seen it.[/quote]

Ok, that might well be.

I’ve always had an eye for quality so I don’t buy junk.

I’m a big fan of globalization because it brought “luxury” the masses.

Quality is not about durability but design and utility.

For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
Brian,

Perhaps your experience is different from ours (and everyone else I know). Maybe you’ve managed to find goods made in China that were somehow equal to the quality we used to get in US made goods. Personally, I’ve never seen it.[/quote]

Ok, that might well be.

I’ve always had an eye for quality so I don’t buy junk.

I’m a big fan of globalization because it brought “luxury” the masses.

Quality is not about durability but design and utility.

For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]
For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.[/quote]

I think that is an aspect of this argument. The quality/longevity and the necessity to purchase sooner b/c the product is not as good. You can look in an old house from, say, 1890-1920 and see the quality. They don’t make things as good today, IMO. Heck, look at houses from the 1950’s and they are rotting away compared to a house built in 1910, say.

I can only imagine what the houses built during this last boom will look like 50 years from now. Won’t matter to many of us. Just saying quality of things have deteriorated. Cheap. But not just in price.

BG – true about companies overseas that employ here. Your example, foreign company, but *made* here.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]
For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.[/quote]

I think that is an aspect of this argument. The quality/longevity and the necessity to purchase sooner b/c the product is not as good. You can look in an old house from, say, 1890-1920 and see the quality. They don’t make things as good today, IMO. Heck, look at houses from the 1950’s and they are rotting away compared to a house built in 1910, say.

I can only imagine what the houses built during this last boom will look like 50 years from now. Won’t matter to many of us. Just saying quality of things have deteriorated. Cheap. But not just in price.

BG – true about companies overseas that employ here. Your example, foreign company, but *made* here.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]
For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.[/quote]

I think that is an aspect of this argument. The quality/longevity and the necessity to purchase sooner b/c the product is not as good. You can look in an old house from, say, 1890-1920 and see the quality. They don’t make things as good today, IMO. Heck, look at houses from the 1950’s and they are rotting away compared to a house built in 1910, say.

I can only imagine what the houses built during this last boom will look like 50 years from now. Won’t matter to many of us. Just saying quality of things have deteriorated. Cheap. But not just in price.

BG – true about companies overseas that employ here. Your example, foreign company, but *made* here.

[jpinpb]

[quote=briansd1]
For example, take Ikea. They brought designer furniture to the masses. Of course the durability of their furniture doesn’t compare to the solid oak furniture of the past. But that oak furniture was crudely designed, finished, and expensive. Looking inside any old house that’s never been updated in decades and you’ll see the “quality” of the past.

Now young households can furnish their apartments cheaply and nicely for a certain period of time, then move on.

Today, we have so many more choices that our grandparents didn’t have. Granted, many of those new products are of bad quality. But we don’t have to buy them.[/quote]

I think that is an aspect of this argument. The quality/longevity and the necessity to purchase sooner b/c the product is not as good. You can look in an old house from, say, 1890-1920 and see the quality. They don’t make things as good today, IMO. Heck, look at houses from the 1950’s and they are rotting away compared to a house built in 1910, say.

I can only imagine what the houses built during this last boom will look like 50 years from now. Won’t matter to many of us. Just saying quality of things have deteriorated. Cheap. But not just in price.

BG – true about companies overseas that employ here. Your example, foreign company, but *made* here.

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