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August 11, 2009 at 11:13 PM #444007August 12, 2009 at 6:47 AM #444617
Arraya
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It will be a jobless recovery with declining standards of living and mass defaults.
Arraya, this makes no sense. If you have no job creation, there is no recovery. Especially when you include declining living standards, leaving out mass defaults. None of those things is indicative of recovery all of them together cut off any chance of recovery. The best you could hope for is a decreasing recession under such circumstances.
Really though, the bottom callers have been coming out in droves these last few months. Mostly because the stock market is on a tear. The stock market is on a tear because of lots and lots of money loaned to the banks by the govt. That is inflationary, but thats about all that is. Good luck getting that inflationary pressure into consumer pricing. Joblessness will see that this doesn’t happen. More cash flowing into the banking system will just help destroy faith in the dollar as all that money is trying desperately to find a home with nowhere productive to go. Meanwhile the people who could use it aren’t getting it and are losing jobs and homes. That is NOT inflationary.
Long term inflation is the danger, short term, deflation is still the Force Majeure.
Josh[/quote]
Obviously, my sarcasm did not come off too well;) I don’t believe in the recovery conspiracy.
I agree deflation is here and picking up steam. What looks to be shaping up is a deflationary collapse followed by crisis of confindence in the dollar to hyper-devaluation, which is not inflation because quantity of money has nothing to do with it.
So it will still be confusing for the analysts because the dollar will be going down in value and disappearing simulatneously. It’s the worst of both worlds. Technically, it will be deflation(contraction of money supply) with devaluing from the world going away from the dollar. Which will happen once deflation is in full effect.
Still both the deflationists and inflationists will be claiming victory.
That’s what is going to happen. Starting with an Oct.-Nov stock market crash, mass defaults and up surge in unemployment dovetailing into a dollar crisis.
August 12, 2009 at 6:47 AM #444032Participant[quote=barnaby33]
It will be a jobless recovery with declining standards of living and mass defaults.
Arraya, this makes no sense. If you have no job creation, there is no recovery. Especially when you include declining living standards, leaving out mass defaults. None of those things is indicative of recovery all of them together cut off any chance of recovery. The best you could hope for is a decreasing recession under such circumstances.
Really though, the bottom callers have been coming out in droves these last few months. Mostly because the stock market is on a tear. The stock market is on a tear because of lots and lots of money loaned to the banks by the govt. That is inflationary, but thats about all that is. Good luck getting that inflationary pressure into consumer pricing. Joblessness will see that this doesn’t happen. More cash flowing into the banking system will just help destroy faith in the dollar as all that money is trying desperately to find a home with nowhere productive to go. Meanwhile the people who could use it aren’t getting it and are losing jobs and homes. That is NOT inflationary.
Long term inflation is the danger, short term, deflation is still the Force Majeure.
Josh[/quote]
Obviously, my sarcasm did not come off too well;) I don’t believe in the recovery conspiracy.
I agree deflation is here and picking up steam. What looks to be shaping up is a deflationary collapse followed by crisis of confindence in the dollar to hyper-devaluation, which is not inflation because quantity of money has nothing to do with it.
So it will still be confusing for the analysts because the dollar will be going down in value and disappearing simulatneously. It’s the worst of both worlds. Technically, it will be deflation(contraction of money supply) with devaluing from the world going away from the dollar. Which will happen once deflation is in full effect.
Still both the deflationists and inflationists will be claiming victory.
That’s what is going to happen. Starting with an Oct.-Nov stock market crash, mass defaults and up surge in unemployment dovetailing into a dollar crisis.
August 12, 2009 at 6:47 AM #444438Participant[quote=barnaby33]
It will be a jobless recovery with declining standards of living and mass defaults.
Arraya, this makes no sense. If you have no job creation, there is no recovery. Especially when you include declining living standards, leaving out mass defaults. None of those things is indicative of recovery all of them together cut off any chance of recovery. The best you could hope for is a decreasing recession under such circumstances.
Really though, the bottom callers have been coming out in droves these last few months. Mostly because the stock market is on a tear. The stock market is on a tear because of lots and lots of money loaned to the banks by the govt. That is inflationary, but thats about all that is. Good luck getting that inflationary pressure into consumer pricing. Joblessness will see that this doesn’t happen. More cash flowing into the banking system will just help destroy faith in the dollar as all that money is trying desperately to find a home with nowhere productive to go. Meanwhile the people who could use it aren’t getting it and are losing jobs and homes. That is NOT inflationary.
Long term inflation is the danger, short term, deflation is still the Force Majeure.
Josh[/quote]
Obviously, my sarcasm did not come off too well;) I don’t believe in the recovery conspiracy.
I agree deflation is here and picking up steam. What looks to be shaping up is a deflationary collapse followed by crisis of confindence in the dollar to hyper-devaluation, which is not inflation because quantity of money has nothing to do with it.
So it will still be confusing for the analysts because the dollar will be going down in value and disappearing simulatneously. It’s the worst of both worlds. Technically, it will be deflation(contraction of money supply) with devaluing from the world going away from the dollar. Which will happen once deflation is in full effect.
Still both the deflationists and inflationists will be claiming victory.
That’s what is going to happen. Starting with an Oct.-Nov stock market crash, mass defaults and up surge in unemployment dovetailing into a dollar crisis.
August 12, 2009 at 6:47 AM #444370Participant[quote=barnaby33]
It will be a jobless recovery with declining standards of living and mass defaults.
Arraya, this makes no sense. If you have no job creation, there is no recovery. Especially when you include declining living standards, leaving out mass defaults. None of those things is indicative of recovery all of them together cut off any chance of recovery. The best you could hope for is a decreasing recession under such circumstances.
Really though, the bottom callers have been coming out in droves these last few months. Mostly because the stock market is on a tear. The stock market is on a tear because of lots and lots of money loaned to the banks by the govt. That is inflationary, but thats about all that is. Good luck getting that inflationary pressure into consumer pricing. Joblessness will see that this doesn’t happen. More cash flowing into the banking system will just help destroy faith in the dollar as all that money is trying desperately to find a home with nowhere productive to go. Meanwhile the people who could use it aren’t getting it and are losing jobs and homes. That is NOT inflationary.
Long term inflation is the danger, short term, deflation is still the Force Majeure.
Josh[/quote]
Obviously, my sarcasm did not come off too well;) I don’t believe in the recovery conspiracy.
I agree deflation is here and picking up steam. What looks to be shaping up is a deflationary collapse followed by crisis of confindence in the dollar to hyper-devaluation, which is not inflation because quantity of money has nothing to do with it.
So it will still be confusing for the analysts because the dollar will be going down in value and disappearing simulatneously. It’s the worst of both worlds. Technically, it will be deflation(contraction of money supply) with devaluing from the world going away from the dollar. Which will happen once deflation is in full effect.
Still both the deflationists and inflationists will be claiming victory.
That’s what is going to happen. Starting with an Oct.-Nov stock market crash, mass defaults and up surge in unemployment dovetailing into a dollar crisis.
August 12, 2009 at 6:47 AM #443837Participant[quote=barnaby33]
It will be a jobless recovery with declining standards of living and mass defaults.
Arraya, this makes no sense. If you have no job creation, there is no recovery. Especially when you include declining living standards, leaving out mass defaults. None of those things is indicative of recovery all of them together cut off any chance of recovery. The best you could hope for is a decreasing recession under such circumstances.
Really though, the bottom callers have been coming out in droves these last few months. Mostly because the stock market is on a tear. The stock market is on a tear because of lots and lots of money loaned to the banks by the govt. That is inflationary, but thats about all that is. Good luck getting that inflationary pressure into consumer pricing. Joblessness will see that this doesn’t happen. More cash flowing into the banking system will just help destroy faith in the dollar as all that money is trying desperately to find a home with nowhere productive to go. Meanwhile the people who could use it aren’t getting it and are losing jobs and homes. That is NOT inflationary.
Long term inflation is the danger, short term, deflation is still the Force Majeure.
Josh[/quote]
Obviously, my sarcasm did not come off too well;) I don’t believe in the recovery conspiracy.
I agree deflation is here and picking up steam. What looks to be shaping up is a deflationary collapse followed by crisis of confindence in the dollar to hyper-devaluation, which is not inflation because quantity of money has nothing to do with it.
So it will still be confusing for the analysts because the dollar will be going down in value and disappearing simulatneously. It’s the worst of both worlds. Technically, it will be deflation(contraction of money supply) with devaluing from the world going away from the dollar. Which will happen once deflation is in full effect.
Still both the deflationists and inflationists will be claiming victory.
That’s what is going to happen. Starting with an Oct.-Nov stock market crash, mass defaults and up surge in unemployment dovetailing into a dollar crisis.
August 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM #444473barnaby33ParticipantDeath to the inflationists, victory is ours! I said something a few years ago on Ben’s blog and its been truer than I had predicted.
We’ll see inflation in things you need, deflation in things you want.
August 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM #444404barnaby33ParticipantDeath to the inflationists, victory is ours! I said something a few years ago on Ben’s blog and its been truer than I had predicted.
We’ll see inflation in things you need, deflation in things you want.
August 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM #443872barnaby33ParticipantDeath to the inflationists, victory is ours! I said something a few years ago on Ben’s blog and its been truer than I had predicted.
We’ll see inflation in things you need, deflation in things you want.
August 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM #444067barnaby33ParticipantDeath to the inflationists, victory is ours! I said something a few years ago on Ben’s blog and its been truer than I had predicted.
We’ll see inflation in things you need, deflation in things you want.
August 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM #444652barnaby33ParticipantDeath to the inflationists, victory is ours! I said something a few years ago on Ben’s blog and its been truer than I had predicted.
We’ll see inflation in things you need, deflation in things you want.
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