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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #567489June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #566550
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Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #566648SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567155SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567261SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567549SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #566595Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #566693Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567199Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567305Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567593Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #566605SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #566703SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #567208SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #567316SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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