BP gusher to spew 2 billion barrels?

[admin]

A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.

[Arraya]

That’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.

Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.

The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.

No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house

[briansd1]

Roughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).

Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.

[briansd1]

Roughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).

Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.

[briansd1]

Roughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).

Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.

[briansd1]

Roughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).

Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.

[briansd1]

Roughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).

Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.

[afx114]

If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.

[briansd1]

Jon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=santa+barbara+oil+spill&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dlEaTJjRMIGwNuu38egF&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CD0QsAQwBg

[afx114]

Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!

[briansd1]

What do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY

I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/America-s-small-people-and-BP-s-gaffe-prone-Gulf-oil-spill-response

[briansd1]

What do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY

I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/America-s-small-people-and-BP-s-gaffe-prone-Gulf-oil-spill-response

[briansd1]

What do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY

I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/America-s-small-people-and-BP-s-gaffe-prone-Gulf-oil-spill-response

[briansd1]

What do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY

I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/America-s-small-people-and-BP-s-gaffe-prone-Gulf-oil-spill-response

[briansd1]

What do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY

I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0617/America-s-small-people-and-BP-s-gaffe-prone-Gulf-oil-spill-response

[SK in CV]

[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]

I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.

But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.

I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.

[Arraya]

Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]

A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.

And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.

[Aecetia]

Nixon the red, that’s a good one.

[Aecetia]

Nixon the red, that’s a good one.

[Aecetia]

Nixon the red, that’s a good one.

[Aecetia]

Nixon the red, that’s a good one.

[Aecetia]

Nixon the red, that’s a good one.

[NotCranky]

I imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.

[NotCranky]

I imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.

[NotCranky]

I imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.

[NotCranky]

I imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.

[NotCranky]

I imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]

A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.

And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]

A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.

And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]

A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.

And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]

A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.

And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.

[Arraya]

Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…

[Arraya]

Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…

[Arraya]

Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…

[Arraya]

Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria

Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…

[SK in CV]

[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]

I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.

But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.

I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.

[SK in CV]

[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]

I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.

But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.

I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.

[SK in CV]

[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]

I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.

But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.

I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.

[SK in CV]

[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]

I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.

But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.

I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.

[afx114]

Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!

[afx114]

Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!

[afx114]

Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!

[afx114]

Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.

That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!

[briansd1]

Jon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=santa+barbara+oil+spill&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dlEaTJjRMIGwNuu38egF&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CD0QsAQwBg

[briansd1]

Jon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=santa+barbara+oil+spill&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dlEaTJjRMIGwNuu38egF&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CD0QsAQwBg

[briansd1]

Jon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=santa+barbara+oil+spill&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dlEaTJjRMIGwNuu38egF&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CD0QsAQwBg

[briansd1]

Jon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=santa+barbara+oil+spill&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=dlEaTJjRMIGwNuu38egF&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CD0QsAQwBg

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]

Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.

In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.

[scaredyclassic]

im with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.

[scaredyclassic]

im with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.

[scaredyclassic]

im with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.

[scaredyclassic]

im with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.

[scaredyclassic]

im with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.

[Hobie]

[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]

+100%

The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.

[afx114]

Agree on nuke power.

We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.

[jpinpb]

Since Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill

[jpinpb]

Since Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill

[jpinpb]

Since Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill

[jpinpb]

Since Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill

[jpinpb]

Since Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill

[afx114]

Agree on nuke power.

We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.

[afx114]

Agree on nuke power.

We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.

[afx114]

Agree on nuke power.

We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.

[afx114]

Agree on nuke power.

We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.

[Hobie]

[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]

+100%

The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.

[Hobie]

[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]

+100%

The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.

[Hobie]

[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]

+100%

The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.

[Hobie]

[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]

+100%

The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]

Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.

In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]

Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.

In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]

Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.

In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]

Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.

In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.

[afx114]

If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.

[afx114]

If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.

[afx114]

If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.

[afx114]

If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.

It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.

[Arraya]

That’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.

Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.

The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.

No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house

[Arraya]

That’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.

Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.

The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.

No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house

[Arraya]

That’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.

Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.

The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.

No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house

[Arraya]

That’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.

Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.

The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.

No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house

[partypup]

[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]

And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:

“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”

When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.

“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704

I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?

As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.

[Arraya]

No doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.

[Aecetia]

Buddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”

[Arraya]

The kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-revises-leak-estimate-120000-barrels-day-believes-oil-covers-40-gulf-beneath-su

Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…

[Arraya]

The kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-revises-leak-estimate-120000-barrels-day-believes-oil-covers-40-gulf-beneath-su

Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…

[Arraya]

The kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-revises-leak-estimate-120000-barrels-day-believes-oil-covers-40-gulf-beneath-su

Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…

[Arraya]

The kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-revises-leak-estimate-120000-barrels-day-believes-oil-covers-40-gulf-beneath-su

Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…

[Arraya]

The kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/matt-simmons-revises-leak-estimate-120000-barrels-day-believes-oil-covers-40-gulf-beneath-su

Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…

[Aecetia]

Buddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”

[Aecetia]

Buddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”

[Aecetia]

Buddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”

[Aecetia]

Buddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”

[Arraya]

No doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.

[Arraya]

No doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.

[Arraya]

No doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.

[Arraya]

No doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.

[KSMountain]

[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?

[Arraya]

Great article b Naomi Klein

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill

It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.

[Arraya]

Great article b Naomi Klein

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill

It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.

[Arraya]

Great article b Naomi Klein

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill

It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.

[Arraya]

Great article b Naomi Klein

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill

It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.

[Arraya]

Great article b Naomi Klein

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill

It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.

[partypup]

[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]

The next steps are simple:

1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.

2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.

Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.

[Zeitgeist]

Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….

[partypup]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]

Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…

[partypup]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]

Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…

[partypup]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]

Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…

[partypup]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]

Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…

[partypup]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]

Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…

[Zeitgeist]

Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….

[Zeitgeist]

Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….

[Zeitgeist]

Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….

[Zeitgeist]

Maybe Rich can hold the money.

I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….

[partypup]

[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]

The next steps are simple:

1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.

2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.

Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.

[partypup]

[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]

The next steps are simple:

1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.

2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.

Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.

[partypup]

[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]

The next steps are simple:

1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.

2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.

Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.

[partypup]

[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]

The next steps are simple:

1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.

2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.

Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.

[KSMountain]

[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?

[KSMountain]

[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?

[KSMountain]

[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?

[KSMountain]

[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?

[partypup]

[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]

And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:

“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”

When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.

“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704

I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?

As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.

[partypup]

[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]

And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:

“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”

When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.

“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704

I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?

As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.

[partypup]

[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]

And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:

“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”

When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.

“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704

I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?

As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.

[partypup]

[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967

I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]

And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:

“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”

When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.

“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704

I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?

As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.

[blahblahblah]

Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.

[scaredyclassic]

im starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.

[scaredyclassic]

im starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.

[scaredyclassic]

im starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.

[scaredyclassic]

im starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.

[scaredyclassic]

im starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.

[briansd1]

Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too….

[Ricechex]

This is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.

I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.

This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.

Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.

Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.

[Ricechex]

This is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.

I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.

This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.

Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.

Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.

[Ricechex]

This is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.

I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.

This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.

Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.

Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.

[Ricechex]

This is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.

I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.

This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.

Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.

Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.

[Ricechex]

This is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.

I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.

This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.

Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.

Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too….

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too….

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too….

[NotCranky]

[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too….

[briansd1]

Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[briansd1]

Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[briansd1]

Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[briansd1]

Program your DVR for this documentary on gas

“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.

It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-bp-hydraulic-fracturing-gas-fracking-.html

[NotCranky]

[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.

[blahblahblah]

Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.

[blahblahblah]

Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.

[blahblahblah]

Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.

[blahblahblah]

Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:

1) We were all gonna die from swine flu

2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison

3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now

So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.

If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.

Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.

[blahblahblah]

DRILL BABY DRILL

[blahblahblah]

DRILL BABY DRILL

[blahblahblah]

DRILL BABY DRILL

[blahblahblah]

DRILL BABY DRILL

[blahblahblah]

DRILL BABY DRILL

[blahblahblah]

Oh this is just too easy…

[afx114]

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[blahblahblah]

Oh this is just too easy…

[blahblahblah]

Oh this is just too easy…

[blahblahblah]

Oh this is just too easy…

[blahblahblah]

Oh this is just too easy…

[NewtoSanDiego]

Are you all done with your venting and ranting?

I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.

Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!

You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!

Hypocrites!

NSD

[Arraya]

Despite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X

[Veritas]

“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

[briansd1]

[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]

Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?

The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.

Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.

Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

[partypup]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]

Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”

The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.

…

And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.

…

Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.

…

Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.

This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.

All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

[Arraya]

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.

When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.

The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.

Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.

In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.

BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.

Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:

White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.

Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.

Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.

They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.

It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]

Such is life, Arraya.

It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.

All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.

The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.

If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.

[Aecetia]

Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.

[briansd1]

[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]

Certain folks feel that way….

But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.

I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.

http://www.epa.gov/history/org/origins/reorg.htm

[Zeitgeist]

Dear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522642/posts

[briansd1]

Zeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Zeitgeist]

It is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.

One more thing to think about:

The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704

[briansd1]

Zeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?

From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.

We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.

[Zeitgeist]

Stop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.

[Zeitgeist]

Stop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.

[Zeitgeist]

Stop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.

[Zeitgeist]

Stop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.

[Zeitgeist]

Stop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.

[briansd1]

Zeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?

From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.

We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.

[briansd1]

Zeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?

From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.

We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.

[briansd1]

Zeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?

From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.

We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.

[briansd1]

Zeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?

From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.

We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.

[Zeitgeist]

It is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.

One more thing to think about:

The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704

[Zeitgeist]

It is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.

One more thing to think about:

The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704

[Zeitgeist]

It is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.

One more thing to think about:

The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704

[Zeitgeist]

It is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.

One more thing to think about:

The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704

[briansd1]

Zeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?

[briansd1]

Zeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?

[briansd1]

Zeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?

[briansd1]

Zeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?

[Zeitgeist]

Dear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522642/posts

[Zeitgeist]

Dear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522642/posts

[Zeitgeist]

Dear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522642/posts

[Zeitgeist]

Dear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522642/posts

[briansd1]

[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]

Certain folks feel that way….

But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.

I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.

http://www.epa.gov/history/org/origins/reorg.htm

[briansd1]

[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]

Certain folks feel that way….

But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.

I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.

http://www.epa.gov/history/org/origins/reorg.htm

[briansd1]

[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]

Certain folks feel that way….

But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.

I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.

http://www.epa.gov/history/org/origins/reorg.htm

[briansd1]

[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]

Certain folks feel that way….

But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.

I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.

http://www.epa.gov/history/org/origins/reorg.htm

[Aecetia]

Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.

[Aecetia]

Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.

[Aecetia]

Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.

[Aecetia]

Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]

Such is life, Arraya.

It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.

All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.

The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.

If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]

Such is life, Arraya.

It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.

All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.

The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.

If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]

Such is life, Arraya.

It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.

All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.

The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.

If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.

[briansd1]

[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]

Such is life, Arraya.

It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.

All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.

The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.

If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.

[Zeitgeist]

Partypup,

Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!

[Arraya]

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.

When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.

The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.

Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.

In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.

BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.

Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:

White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.

Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.

Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.

They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.

It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?

[Zeitgeist]

Partypup,

Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!

[Arraya]

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.

When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.

The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.

Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.

In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.

BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.

Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:

White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.

Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.

Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.

They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.

It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?

[Zeitgeist]

Partypup,

Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!

[Arraya]

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.

When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.

The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.

Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.

In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.

BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.

Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:

White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.

Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.

Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.

They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.

It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?

[Zeitgeist]

Partypup,

Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!

[Arraya]

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/

There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.

When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.

The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.

Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.

In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.

BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.

Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:

White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay

The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.

Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.

The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.

Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.

They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.

It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?

[Zeitgeist]

Partypup,

Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!

[Coronita]

[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

[/quote]

Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…

Check the statements after the televised speech.

[Coronita]

[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

[/quote]

Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…

Check the statements after the televised speech.

[Coronita]

[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

[/quote]

Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…

Check the statements after the televised speech.

[Coronita]

[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

[/quote]

Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…

Check the statements after the televised speech.

[Coronita]

[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

[/quote]

Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…

Check the statements after the televised speech.

[partypup]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]

Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”

The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.

…

And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.

…

Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.

…

Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.

This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.

All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

[partypup]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]

Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”

The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.

…

And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.

…

Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.

…

Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.

This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.

All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

[partypup]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]

Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”

The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.

…

And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.

…

Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.

…

Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.

This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.

All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

[partypup]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]

Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?

“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”

The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.

…

And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.

…

Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.

…

Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.

This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.

All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965

[briansd1]

[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]

Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?

The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.

Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.

Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

[briansd1]

[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]

Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?

The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.

Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.

Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

[briansd1]

[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]

Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?

The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.

Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.

Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

[briansd1]

[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]

Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?

The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.

Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.

Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.

Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.

[Veritas]

“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

[Veritas]

“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

[Veritas]

“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

[Veritas]

“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

[Arraya]

Despite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X

[Arraya]

Despite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X

[Arraya]

Despite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X

[Arraya]

Despite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.

The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.

Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X

[NewtoSanDiego]

Are you all done with your venting and ranting?

I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.

Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!

You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!

Hypocrites!

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Are you all done with your venting and ranting?

I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.

Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!

You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!

Hypocrites!

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Are you all done with your venting and ranting?

I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.

Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!

You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!

Hypocrites!

NSD

[NewtoSanDiego]

Are you all done with your venting and ranting?

I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.

Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!

You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!

Hypocrites!

NSD

[Anonymous]

I’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.

A few questions for those who already have a supply:

How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?

How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?

How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?

Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?

Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?

[Anonymous]

I’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.

A few questions for those who already have a supply:

How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?

How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?

How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?

Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?

Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?

[Anonymous]

I’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.

A few questions for those who already have a supply:

How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?

How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?

How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?

Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?

Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?

[Anonymous]

I’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.

A few questions for those who already have a supply:

How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?

How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?

How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?

Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?

Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?

[Anonymous]

I’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.

A few questions for those who already have a supply:

How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?

How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?

How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?

Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?

Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?

[Coronita]

Looks like a judge just struck down the moratorium in New Orleans on drilling…The song and dance continues…

[Zeitgeist]

Hey pri_dk,

Here is a prior thread on what kind of food lasts the longest:
http://piggington.com/consumer_confidence_index_drops_ramen_sales_booming

There are many sources of pre-prepared foods with some of them lasting up to 10 years available. Google emergency supplies. Otherwise, most people who are trying to be prepared for natural disasters buy extra of whatever they like that is on sale. The ultra prepared usually go for the freeze dried. I would say, whatever your level of preparation keep water and food for your family and pets for a minimum of three weeks. If the event was serious enough, it might take the government that long to start bringing supplies into a region if infra structure is completely destroyed it could be longer. I know this seems silly to some people, but watching people plucked from roof tops after Hurricane Katrina should have been a lesson for everyone to learn from.

[Anonymous]

Zeit,

Thanks for the info. I agree that it is prudent to have a short-term stock of supplies in the event of a natural disaster. Maybe enough for a week or two.

But I am curious about the practicality of stockpiling in anticipation of the scenarios posted here (and occasionally on other threads.) It was a bit of a rhetorical question. Some seem to think that the government and civilization itself will soon collapse – that we will be without infrastructure for years. Is there any practical way to prepare for this, short of filling several rooms of one’s house with food, medical supplies, and ammo?

Partypup, in particular, seems to be sure that civilization will end. In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. I suppose then she will have proof that Obama is a jerk, and that he should have been friendlier toward her when they were college together.

[Arraya]

[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]

[Anonymous]

Good one.

Not an accurate metaphor, however.

The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”

We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.

[Anonymous]

Good one.

Not an accurate metaphor, however.

The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”

We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.

[Anonymous]

Good one.

Not an accurate metaphor, however.

The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”

We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.

[Anonymous]

Good one.

Not an accurate metaphor, however.

The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”

We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.

[Anonymous]

Good one.

Not an accurate metaphor, however.

The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”

We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.

[Arraya]

[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]

[Arraya]

[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]

[Arraya]

[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]

[Arraya]

[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk]Zeit,

Partypup, in particular, seems to be sure that civilization will end. In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. I suppose then she will have proof that Obama is a jerk, and that he should have been friendlier toward her when they were college together.[/quote]

@Pri_dk: Amazingly, you have finally said something that I agree with. Bravo! I DO want society to collapse, because it is currently being run by the most savage, egotistic, greedy, scum-sucking vermin that have ever slithered across the face of this earth. Because these vermin are accelerating the efforts to restrain my free will and liberty and are making every possible attempt to churn me and all those I hold dear into poverty and submission. And it makes not a wit of difference to me that I am free to buy iPads and take the occasional trip to Alaska as they corral me into slave status.

So yeah, you’re damn right, I want this b*tch to come down because – once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren. For those like you who are content to remain slaves, I’m sure the thought of not licking someone’s boot and not hanging on every meaningless word of an Obama state of the Union address is positively terrifying. Deal with it, my ostrich-necked friend. The rev**ution is coming.

BTW, I went to law school with Obama, not college. Please pay better attention going forward – your grasp of details is worrisome. And he was perfectly pleasant to me – just boring and empty. Pretty much what you’re getting now. It’s not my fault that you bought the Con 🙂

Oh, and beprepared.com and efoodsdirect.com are great resources to pick up supplies.

…Although I do question whether you will have the common sense to know when to bug out and use them.

[Anonymous]

[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]

Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.

90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.

Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.

[Zeitgeist]

I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]

So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.

[Aecetia]

Oil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773

[Arraya]

It does not get doomier than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic Cloud

If the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.

3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation

After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.

[Arraya]

The post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.

Here is the link to the segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739

It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).

[Zeitgeist]

None of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.

Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.html

I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup…

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup…

[Zeitgeist]

None of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.

Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.html

I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.

[Zeitgeist]

None of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.

Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.html

I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.

[Zeitgeist]

None of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.

Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.html

I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.

[Zeitgeist]

None of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.

Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.html

I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.

[Arraya]

The post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.

Here is the link to the segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739

It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).

[Arraya]

The post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.

Here is the link to the segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739

It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).

[Arraya]

The post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.

Here is the link to the segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739

It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).

[Arraya]

The post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.

Here is the link to the segment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739

It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).

[Arraya]

It does not get doomier than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic Cloud

If the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.

3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation

After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.

[Arraya]

It does not get doomier than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic Cloud

If the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.

3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation

After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.

[Arraya]

It does not get doomier than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic Cloud

If the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.

3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation

After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.

[Arraya]

It does not get doomier than that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic Cloud

If the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.

3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation

After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.

[Aecetia]

Oil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773

[Aecetia]

Oil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773

[Aecetia]

Oil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773

[Aecetia]

Oil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on?

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on?

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on?

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on?

[KSMountain]

[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on?

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]

So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]

So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]

So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]

So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.

[Zeitgeist]

I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.

[Zeitgeist]

I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.

[Zeitgeist]

I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.

[Zeitgeist]

I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.

[Anonymous]

Still using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.

I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.

[Arraya]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.

The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.

It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”

The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.

“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”

[paramount]

[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]

I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?

What’s going to be left for future generations?

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.

[Arraya]

[quote=paramount]

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]

I agree 1000%

[Arraya]

A speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded

-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish

*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.

[Aecetia]

This is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).

http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html

disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.

[Aecetia]

KSMountain,

I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.

Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html?hp

[blahblahblah]

I’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.

[Arraya]

EPA opening public “Decontamination Stations”; 400 people seek medical care after visiting Florida beach.

[Arraya]

EPA opening public “Decontamination Stations”; 400 people seek medical care after visiting Florida beach.

[Arraya]

EPA opening public “Decontamination Stations”; 400 people seek medical care after visiting Florida beach.

[Arraya]

EPA opening public “Decontamination Stations”; 400 people seek medical care after visiting Florida beach.

[Arraya]

EPA opening public “Decontamination Stations”; 400 people seek medical care after visiting Florida beach.

[blahblahblah]

I’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.

[blahblahblah]

I’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.

[blahblahblah]

I’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.

[blahblahblah]

I’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.

[Aecetia]

KSMountain,

I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.

Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html?hp

[Aecetia]

KSMountain,

I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.

Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html?hp

[Aecetia]

KSMountain,

I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.

Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html?hp

[Aecetia]

KSMountain,

I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.

Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html?hp

[Aecetia]

This is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).

http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html

disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.

[Aecetia]

This is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).

http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html

disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.

[Aecetia]

This is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).

http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html

disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.

[Aecetia]

This is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).

http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html

disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.

[Arraya]

A speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded

-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish

*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.

[Arraya]

A speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded

-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish

*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.

[Arraya]

A speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded

-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish

*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.

[Arraya]

A speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded

-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish

*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.

[Arraya]

[quote=paramount]

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]

I agree 1000%

[Arraya]

[quote=paramount]

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]

I agree 1000%

[Arraya]

[quote=paramount]

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]

I agree 1000%

[Arraya]

[quote=paramount]

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]

I agree 1000%

[paramount]

[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]

I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?

What’s going to be left for future generations?

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.

[paramount]

[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]

I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?

What’s going to be left for future generations?

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.

[paramount]

[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]

I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?

What’s going to be left for future generations?

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.

[paramount]

[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]

I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?

What’s going to be left for future generations?

We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.

[Arraya]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.

The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.

It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”

The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.

“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”

[Arraya]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.

The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.

It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”

The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.

“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”

[Arraya]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.

The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.

It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”

The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.

“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”

[Arraya]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/

The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.

The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.

It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”

The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.

“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”

[Anonymous]

Still using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.

I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.

[Anonymous]

Still using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.

I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.

[Anonymous]

Still using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.

I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.

[Anonymous]

Still using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.

I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]

Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.

90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.

Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]

Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.

90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.

Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]

Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.

90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.

Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]

Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.

90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.

Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.

[Anonymous]

[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.

[Anonymous]

[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.

[Anonymous]

[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.

[Anonymous]

[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]

Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!

And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?

PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.