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June 17, 2010 at 12:45 AM #17586
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June 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM #566286
Arraya
ParticipantThat’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.
Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.
The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.
No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house
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June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM #566296
briansd1
GuestRoughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).
Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM #566394
briansd1
GuestRoughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).
Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM #566903
briansd1
GuestRoughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).
Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM #567010
briansd1
GuestRoughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).
Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:01 AM #567295
briansd1
GuestRoughly, after appeals, Exxon paid $4.5 billion total (from the CNN link).
Suppose that the BP gusher ends up 30X the size of Valdez. That would equate to $135 billion, not including inflation since Valdez. Add inflation and you get a much larger number that would still be in proportion to the Valdez Spill.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM #566301
afx114
ParticipantIf you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM #566326
briansd1
GuestJon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html
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June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM #566346
afx114
ParticipantAlso, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!
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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #566490
briansd1
GuestWhat do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY
I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.
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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #566588
briansd1
GuestWhat do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY
I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.
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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #567096
briansd1
GuestWhat do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY
I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.
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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #567202
briansd1
GuestWhat do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY
I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.
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June 17, 2010 at 12:55 PM #567489
briansd1
GuestWhat do you guys think of the “small people” comment by the BP Chairman?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIrk23sQMY
I know Europeans, and they can appear haughty to us Americans. But I do believe that is was an honest cultural mistake.
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June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #566550
SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
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June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #566595
Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
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June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #566605
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM #566610
Aecetia
ParticipantNixon the red, that’s a good one.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM #566708
Aecetia
ParticipantNixon the red, that’s a good one.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM #567213
Aecetia
ParticipantNixon the red, that’s a good one.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM #567321
Aecetia
ParticipantNixon the red, that’s a good one.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:16 PM #567608
Aecetia
ParticipantNixon the red, that’s a good one.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM #566615
NotCranky
ParticipantI imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM #566713
NotCranky
ParticipantI imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM #567218
NotCranky
ParticipantI imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM #567326
NotCranky
ParticipantI imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:21 PM #567613
NotCranky
ParticipantI imagine he was happy because all the clean-up money and claims money is going to be lent to them on very good terms, so as not to interfere with vital operations… BP exec’s will get big bonuses for handling all that dough and a chance to steal some of it. Something like that.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #566703
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #567208
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #567316
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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June 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM #567603
SK in CV
Participant[quote=Arraya]Well, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…[/quote]
A better deal for who? Shell settled for $15.5 million.
And the $20 billion is only for compensation claims, not the cleanup. Not the fines, which could total as much or more.
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June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #566693
Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
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June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567199
Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
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June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567305
Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
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June 17, 2010 at 4:53 PM #567593
Arraya
ParticipantWell, I guess the 20 billion is a better deal than they get in Nigeria
Shell on Trial: Landmark Trial Set to Begin Over Shell’s Role in 1995 Execution of Nigerian Human Rights Activis…
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June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #566648
SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
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June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567155
SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
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June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567261
SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
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June 17, 2010 at 3:02 PM #567549
SK in CV
Participant[quote=afx114]Also, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love![/quote]
I adore Rachel Maddow. She is at least borderline brilliant, she is witty, she is direct. And her speech was good, maybe great, as she is an actor playing a role. It was a movie script speech.
But as a practical matter, Obama can’t pass cap and trade using reconciliation. The rules don’t allow for it. He can’t do it by executive order, the rules don’t allow for it. He just can’t do many of the things she suggested in her speech, without the help of congress. Real politic makes it impossible.
I too would have liked to have heard more force and determination from him. He could have done a whole lot better with the speech. But as far as what he can do to fix the problem, I’ve certainly seen no recommendations that are better than what’s being done. He did get BP to set aside $20 billion. That’s humungous.
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June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM #566444
afx114
ParticipantAlso, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!
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June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM #566952
afx114
ParticipantAlso, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!
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June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM #567060
afx114
ParticipantAlso, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!
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June 17, 2010 at 10:05 AM #567344
afx114
ParticipantAlso, Rachel Maddow gives the Oval Office presidential address on the oilspill that Obama should have given: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax29CwH810.
That lesbian has more balls than Obama. I think I’m in love!
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June 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM #566424
briansd1
GuestJon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html
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June 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM #566933
briansd1
GuestJon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html
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June 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM #567040
briansd1
GuestJon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html
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June 17, 2010 at 9:37 AM #567324
briansd1
GuestJon Stewart forgot to mention that the EPA was a result of the environmental activism following the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~dhardy/1969_Santa_Barbara_Oil_Spill/Home.html
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June 18, 2010 at 12:51 PM #566880
KSMountain
Participant[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]
Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM #566885
scaredyclassic
Participantim with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM #566981
scaredyclassic
Participantim with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM #567488
scaredyclassic
Participantim with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM #567596
scaredyclassic
Participantim with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:56 PM #567872
scaredyclassic
Participantim with nuclear. on the whole, everything’s risky, but things work out ok for the simpsons in springfield, and we’ll at least be able to breathe the air and eat fish.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM #566983
Hobie
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
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The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM #566993
afx114
ParticipantAgree on nuke power.
We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:57 PM #567013
jpinpb
ParticipantSince Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill
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June 18, 2010 at 4:57 PM #567108
jpinpb
ParticipantSince Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill
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June 18, 2010 at 4:57 PM #567615
jpinpb
ParticipantSince Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill
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June 18, 2010 at 4:57 PM #567722
jpinpb
ParticipantSince Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill
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June 18, 2010 at 4:57 PM #567999
jpinpb
ParticipantSince Halliburton is mentioned, I’m not sure if this was posted on the other BP thread, but I’m posting here. Disaster capitalists: Halliburton to make money off oil spill
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June 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM #567089
afx114
ParticipantAgree on nuke power.
We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM #567595
afx114
ParticipantAgree on nuke power.
We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM #567703
afx114
ParticipantAgree on nuke power.
We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:37 PM #567979
afx114
ParticipantAgree on nuke power.
We’ve only seen the proverbial tip of the oilberg. There are literally mile-wide islands of the stuff lurking below the surface. Unfortunately people’s fears are based on what they can observe, so if you think people are scared now, you ain’t seen nothin yet. Obama can kiss any other things on his agenda goodbye — this thing is going to swallow him and his administration along with the gulf.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM #567079
Hobie
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]+100%
The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM #567585
Hobie
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]+100%
The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM #567693
Hobie
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]+100%
The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.
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June 18, 2010 at 4:11 PM #567969
Hobie
Participant[quote=KSMountain]I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
[/quote]+100%
The biggest problem is educating folks about the safety of the technology. Why hasn’t the nuke industry done this? Same with the Energy Department, oh yeah they are not in the business of creating energy.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:51 PM #566976
KSMountain
Participant[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]
Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:51 PM #567483
KSMountain
Participant[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]
Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:51 PM #567591
KSMountain
Participant[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]
Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:51 PM #567868
KSMountain
Participant[quote=afx114]If you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.[/quote]
Agreed. Pathetic. Sorry if this is a threadjack but I really think we should resume building nuclear plants. Use that for most of our electrical generation and use fossil fuels for applications that have to have it – e.g. aviation/trucking.
In the *overall* calculation of risk/reward/danger/environmental damage, it seems to me Nuclear fares pretty well compared to other energy sources, once you get past the “oooh it’s mysterious and scary” mindset.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM #566399
afx114
ParticipantIf you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM #566908
afx114
ParticipantIf you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM #567015
afx114
ParticipantIf you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.
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June 17, 2010 at 9:04 AM #567299
afx114
ParticipantIf you missed The Daily Show last night, be sure to check out Jon Stewart discussing the last eight presidents who have gone on television and promised to move America towards an energy-independent future.
It’s so pathetic that it was hard to laugh.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM #566384
Arraya
ParticipantThat’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.
Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.
The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.
No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house
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June 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM #566893
Arraya
ParticipantThat’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.
Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.
The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.
No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house
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June 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM #567000
Arraya
ParticipantThat’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.
Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.
The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.
No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house
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June 17, 2010 at 8:40 AM #567285
Arraya
ParticipantThat’s alright, JP Morgan says it will increase GDP and nothing measures the health of a society better than GDP. We need to dump a bunch of oil on Detroit to give a boost to the area.
Meanwhile BP got off cheap @ 5 billion a year over 4 years. Especially since this thing will be flowing for sometime and damages are unseen at this point.
The original jury award for Exxon Valdez was 5 billion. So far this is 14 x the size at least and probably will be 20-40 by the time its done. With a 100 times the economic damage.
No wonder Tony was looking smug when he left the white house
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June 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM #566635
partypup
Participant[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]
And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:
“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”
When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.
“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM #566645
Arraya
ParticipantNo doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.
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June 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM #566690
Aecetia
ParticipantBuddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.” -
June 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM #566730
Arraya
ParticipantThe kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.
Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…
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June 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM #566827
Arraya
ParticipantThe kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.
Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…
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June 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM #567333
Arraya
ParticipantThe kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.
Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…
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June 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM #567441
Arraya
ParticipantThe kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.
Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…
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June 18, 2010 at 8:41 AM #567724
Arraya
ParticipantThe kind hearts at Citigroup said they would stop foreclosures on worthless gulf front RE.
Matt Simmons was on Bloomberg earlier, adding some additional perspective to his original appearance on the station, in which he initially endorsed the nuclear option as the only viable way to resolve the oil spill. Simmons refutes even the latest oil spill estimate of 45,000-60,000 barrels per day, and in quoting research by the Thomas Jefferson research vessel which was compiled late on Sunday, quantifies the leak at 120,000 bpd. What is scarier is that according to the Jefferson the oil lake underneath the surface of the water could be covering up to 40% of the entire Gulf of Mexico. Simmons also says that as the leak has no casing, a relief well will not work, and the only possible resolution is, as he said previously, to use a small nuclear explosion to convert the rock to glass. Simmons concludes that as punishment for BP’s arrogance and stupidity the government “will take all their cash.” Now if only our own administration could tell us the truth about what is really happening in the gulf…
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June 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM #566787
Aecetia
ParticipantBuddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.” -
June 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM #567293
Aecetia
ParticipantBuddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.” -
June 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM #567401
Aecetia
ParticipantBuddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.” -
June 17, 2010 at 10:01 PM #567685
Aecetia
ParticipantBuddha said: “Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, the truth.”
“Just like the unending stream of oil spilling out of the depths of the ocean, truths that have been long hidden will come spilling out into the light.”
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June 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM #566743
Arraya
ParticipantNo doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM #567248
Arraya
ParticipantNo doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM #567356
Arraya
ParticipantNo doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.
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June 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM #567643
Arraya
ParticipantNo doubt, the gulf states got bludgeoned on the head with an oily economic club. I wonder how gulf front condo RE is going to do. Though, they are doing an ok job at keeping it from shore which is key for PR and health purposes. I suspect they are hitting it with mass amounts of dispersants to keep it away. I’m pretty sure they will make some contraption to capture as much as possible and let it leak forever before they nuke it. It’s just worth too much money.
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June 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM #567087
KSMountain
Participant[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
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I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?-
June 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM #567317
Arraya
ParticipantGreat article b Naomi Klein
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill
It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.
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June 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM #567415
Arraya
ParticipantGreat article b Naomi Klein
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill
It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.
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June 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM #567913
Arraya
ParticipantGreat article b Naomi Klein
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill
It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.
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June 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM #568022
Arraya
ParticipantGreat article b Naomi Klein
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill
It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.
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June 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM #568305
Arraya
ParticipantGreat article b Naomi Klein
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/jun/19/naomi-klein-gulf-oil-spill
It’s one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It’s another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: “The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined.” Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while “unpredictable, chaotic events [are] usual”. And just in case we still didn’t get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don’t even mention what a hurricane would do to BP’s toxic soup.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM #568362
partypup
Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
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I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]The next steps are simple:
1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.
2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.
Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM #568375
Zeitgeist
ParticipantMaybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….
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June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM #568394
partypup
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]
Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…
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June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM #568490
partypup
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]
Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…
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June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM #568997
partypup
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]
Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…
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June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM #569103
partypup
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]
Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…
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June 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM #569387
partypup
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Maybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….[/quote]
Precisely, Zeit. New Madrid comes to mind…
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June 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM #568472
Zeitgeist
ParticipantMaybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….
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June 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM #568977
Zeitgeist
ParticipantMaybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….
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June 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM #569084
Zeitgeist
ParticipantMaybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….
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June 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM #569367
Zeitgeist
ParticipantMaybe Rich can hold the money.
I bet Partypup wins, but I am sure it will be some kind of surgical nuke (if there is such a thing). That should make the noise from the left equal to the nuke we used on Japan. These truly are troubling times. Using a nuke there should set off some more earthquakes….
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June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM #568457
partypup
Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]The next steps are simple:
1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.
2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.
Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM #568962
partypup
Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]The next steps are simple:
1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.
2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.
Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM #569069
partypup
Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]The next steps are simple:
1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.
2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.
Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM #569353
partypup
Participant[quote=KSMountain][quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?[/quote]The next steps are simple:
1. The relief wells should be completed, if we are to believe this administration, around the end of August. If they are successful and succeed in containing the wellhead, I owe you $100. If they aren’t, you owe me $100.
2. The nuclear option will then be *contemplated* seriously once the relief wells are demonstrated to be a failure. If we pursue the nuke option, you owe me $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above. If the nuke option is not put on the table, then I owe you $50, separate and apart from any monies paid in (1) above.
Please PM me with your email address, and I will respond with my email address. Please make certain that the email address you send me is associated with a valid PayPal account from which you intend to make payment. Thanks, KS.
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June 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM #567183
KSMountain
Participant[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here? -
June 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM #567689
KSMountain
Participant[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here? -
June 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM #567793
KSMountain
Participant[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here? -
June 18, 2010 at 10:14 PM #568074
KSMountain
Participant[quote=partypup]I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
[/quote]
I will take both bets partypup. Where do we go from here?
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June 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM #566733
partypup
Participant[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]
And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:
“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”
When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.
“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.
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June 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM #567238
partypup
Participant[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]
And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:
“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”
When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.
“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.
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June 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM #567345
partypup
Participant[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]
And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:
“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”
When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.
“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.
-
June 17, 2010 at 7:23 PM #567633
partypup
Participant[quote=IForget]A poster on The Oil Drum thinks that the relief wells will fail, the entire well structure will collapse, and 2 billion+ barrels of oil will spew into the Gulf:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6593#comment-648967
I think it’s time to stock up on canned goods and water and head for the hills. This could seriously negatively impact all life on the planet.[/quote]
And the best part is Obama hasn’t even pulled the nuclear option out of his hat yet. Wait until he drops that zinger. That should do wonders for the markets – nothing spells R-E-C-O-V-E-R-Y like a 40 million person exodus from the Gulf region to escape methane, benzene and plutonium:
“Nuclear Option on Gulf Oil Spill? No Way, U.S. Says”
When these clowns start denying something, you know you’re getting close to the truth.
“Energy expert: Nuking oil leak ‘only thing we can do’”
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/energy-expert-nuke-oil-leak/storyId=127473704I will bet anyone on this forum $100 (payable via PayPal) that the relief well(s) will NOT work, and another $50 that the end game for this fiasco is nuclear. Any takers?
As y’all know, I am already full-stocked on canned food and water and have been for some time.
-
June 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM #566775
blahblahblah
ParticipantMaybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM #566790
scaredyclassic
Participantim starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM #566887
scaredyclassic
Participantim starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM #567393
scaredyclassic
Participantim starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM #567501
scaredyclassic
Participantim starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:50 AM #567781
scaredyclassic
Participantim starting to get pissed off. and I sometimes vote.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM #566800
NotCranky
Participant[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.-
June 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM #566810
briansd1
GuestProgram your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
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June 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM #566850
NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too…. -
June 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM #566865
Ricechex
ParticipantThis is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.
I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.
This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.
Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.
Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.
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June 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM #566961
Ricechex
ParticipantThis is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.
I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.
This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.
Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.
Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.
-
June 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM #567468
Ricechex
ParticipantThis is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.
I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.
This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.
Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.
Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.
-
June 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM #567576
Ricechex
ParticipantThis is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.
I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.
This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.
Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.
Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.
-
June 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM #567853
Ricechex
ParticipantThis is very scary indeed. It is a catastrophe, much worse than anything we have seen in the past.
I have suspected since the start that they were lying about the true amount of oil devouring the Gulf. Yes, they will nuke it. (any Michael Ruppert readers? He states that Obama “knows” that they will nuke it, because Obama stated that this will be contained by 90% by August. What politician makes such claims if there was not anything on the table?) It will become a huge toxic dump, devoid of life. On a very small scale, look what happenned to the Salton Sea.
This has far reaching complications that will threaten our way of life. What happens when the Gulf states residents move to the East and Midwest? What happens if the hurricanes blow the oil far enough to cover the Midwest farmland is oil and chemicals and kill the crops? Remember the dust bowl? It was not until a black cloud of dirt blew over Chicago that anyone paid any attention. And, even then, they could not fix that problem…the land was already demolished, and to this day has not recovered.
Partypup: I am with you in stocking up on canned goods. But that is only a bandaid. It gives me little sense of safety in the long run.
Concho: agreed that those were indeed scares, but this in fact is real…we can see it and the effects. The sea life and mammals are canaries in the coal mine and an unfortunate foreshadowing of what is to come.
-
June 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM #566947
NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too…. -
June 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM #567453
NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too…. -
June 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM #567561
NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too…. -
June 18, 2010 at 11:40 AM #567839
NotCranky
Participant[quote=briansd1]Program your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
[/quote]
What’s a DVR? Just kidding. Yeah,we have to get off foreign oil/gases because that comes from bad guys, better let the good guys do what they want so the bad guys don’t get us. But just in case, put the nations wealth and might behind letting the good guys take every resource from the bad guys too…. -
June 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM #566907
briansd1
GuestProgram your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
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June 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM #567413
briansd1
GuestProgram your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
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June 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM #567521
briansd1
GuestProgram your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
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June 18, 2010 at 10:38 AM #567800
briansd1
GuestProgram your DVR for this documentary on gas
“Gasland,” a compelling documentary on HBO airing Monday, June 21 ( 9 p.m. ET/PT), traces hydraulic fracturing across 34 states from California to Louisiana to Pennsylvania. The exposé by filmmaker Josh Fox, alternately chilling and darkly humorous, won the 2010 Sundance Film Festival’s special jury prize for documentary.
It details how former Vice President Dick Cheney, in partnership with the energy industry and drilling companies such as his former employer, Halliburton Corp., successfully pressured Congress in 2005 to exempt fracking from the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Clean Air Act and other environmental laws.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM #566897
NotCranky
Participant[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary. -
June 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM #567403
NotCranky
Participant[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary. -
June 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM #567511
NotCranky
Participant[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary. -
June 18, 2010 at 9:57 AM #567791
NotCranky
Participant[quote=CONCHO]Maybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.[/quote]
Doesn’t it make you feel great that these same people( the politicians) “regulate” and are the communicators( the media) of food and drug production and consumption issues. That’s scary.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM #566872
blahblahblah
ParticipantMaybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM #567378
blahblahblah
ParticipantMaybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM #567486
blahblahblah
ParticipantMaybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.
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June 18, 2010 at 9:47 AM #567768
blahblahblah
ParticipantMaybe this is true but this is the same media that told us:
1) We were all gonna die from swine flu
2) Saddam was gonna get us with nookular bombs and flying drones spraying us with poison
3) Global warming would have Florida underwater by now
So I don’t know what to make of this latest scare. I think frightened people are easy to control.
If it is real it’s kind of funny that the US goes and has all these wars to control the world’s oil and then a big freaking unstoppable gusher from the center of the earth explodes right into its backyard. Reminds me of when we were about to attack Iraq over their nookular bombs in 2003 and the space shuttle blew up over Dubya’s home state.
Maybe the universe is trying to send us a message.
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June 20, 2010 at 2:22 AM #567577
NewtoSanDiego
GuestAre you all done with your venting and ranting?
I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.
Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!
You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!
Hypocrites!
NSD
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June 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM #567792
Arraya
ParticipantDespite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.
The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.
Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X
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June 21, 2010 at 1:47 PM #568338
Veritas
Participant“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
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June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM #568384
briansd1
Guest[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]
Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?
The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.
Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.
Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM #568399
partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?
“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”
The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
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And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.
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Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.
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Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.
All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #568414
Arraya
Participanthttp://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.
When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.
The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.
Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.
In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.
BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.
Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:
White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay
The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.
Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.
The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.
Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.
They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM #568429
briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]Such is life, Arraya.
It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.
All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.
The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.
If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM #568434
Aecetia
ParticipantCap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM #568458
briansd1
Guest[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]
Certain folks feel that way….
But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.
I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM #568468
Zeitgeist
ParticipantDear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?
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June 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM #568482
briansd1
GuestZeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
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June 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM #568532
Zeitgeist
ParticipantIt is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.
One more thing to think about:
The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704
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June 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM #568622
briansd1
GuestZeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?
From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.
We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.
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June 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM #568814
Zeitgeist
ParticipantStop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.
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June 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM #568910
Zeitgeist
ParticipantStop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.
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June 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM #569420
Zeitgeist
ParticipantStop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.
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June 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM #569525
Zeitgeist
ParticipantStop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.
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June 21, 2010 at 10:28 PM #569809
Zeitgeist
ParticipantStop being coy Brian. You already know the answer to the question.
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June 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM #568717
briansd1
GuestZeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?
From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.
We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.
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June 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM #569226
briansd1
GuestZeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?
From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.
We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.
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June 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM #569331
briansd1
GuestZeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?
From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.
We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.
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June 21, 2010 at 7:20 PM #569615
briansd1
GuestZeit, the drill-baby-drill crowd should be happy or do they want drilling only on American soil?
From a strictly American perspective, I’m glad that they are drilling abroad to meet our energy needs. We pay them with paper dollars and we get oil.
We preserve out oil reserves and environment for when technology is better proven. The oil will still be there in the future when it’s scarcer and more valuable.
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June 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM #568630
Zeitgeist
ParticipantIt is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.
One more thing to think about:
The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704
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June 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM #569137
Zeitgeist
ParticipantIt is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.
One more thing to think about:
The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704
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June 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM #569243
Zeitgeist
ParticipantIt is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.
One more thing to think about:
The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704
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June 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM #569526
Zeitgeist
ParticipantIt is a deeper well and we are using U.S. taxpayer money to pay for foreigners to drill deeper than the rigs he has shut down.
One more thing to think about:
The Soviets nuked several out-of-control gas wells, according to reports. In the Central Asian republic of Turkmenistan, a fire has raged for nearly 40 years after a drilling rig ignited underground gas. And in some places on earth, leaking and oozing oil has been blithely ignored for decades.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127473704
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June 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM #568580
briansd1
GuestZeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
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June 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM #569087
briansd1
GuestZeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
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June 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM #569193
briansd1
GuestZeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
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June 21, 2010 at 4:00 PM #569477
briansd1
GuestZeit, what does drilling in Brazil have to do with the gusher in the Gulf of Mexico?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM #568565
Zeitgeist
ParticipantDear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM #569072
Zeitgeist
ParticipantDear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM #569178
Zeitgeist
ParticipantDear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM #569462
Zeitgeist
ParticipantDear leader likes these guys and helps them drill even deeper wells: Obama finances nefarious & corrupt, pro-Chavez, pro-Castro, anti-American Brazilian regime: The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil’s state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil’s Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil’s planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan. Of course his old pal Soros is involved. I guess that’s what he means by spreading the wealthy around! Ain’t that a bitch. What about that dear Brian?
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June 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM #568555
briansd1
Guest[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]
Certain folks feel that way….
But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.
I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM #569062
briansd1
Guest[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]
Certain folks feel that way….
But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.
I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM #569168
briansd1
Guest[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]
Certain folks feel that way….
But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.
I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:39 PM #569452
briansd1
Guest[quote=Aecetia]Cap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.[/quote]
Certain folks feel that way….
But let’s say that those who are most anti cap-and-trade win some elections in November while the anger against BP continues to mount. Those same opponents of cap-and-trade will be most likely to make a deal, just like Nixon did with the EPA. In fact Nixon forwarded EPA legislation to Congress via executive order.
I transmit herewith Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970, prepared in accordance with chapter 9 of title 5 of the United States Code and providing for an Environmental Protection Agency. My reasons for transmitting this plan are stated in a more extended accompanying message.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM #568530
Aecetia
ParticipantCap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM #569037
Aecetia
ParticipantCap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM #569143
Aecetia
ParticipantCap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:24 PM #569427
Aecetia
ParticipantCap and trade will bring on the dark ages, but maybe you will like that better.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM #568525
briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]Such is life, Arraya.
It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.
All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.
The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.
If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM #569032
briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]Such is life, Arraya.
It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.
All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.
The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.
If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM #569138
briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]Such is life, Arraya.
It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.
All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.
The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.
If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:19 PM #569422
briansd1
Guest[quote=Arraya]
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?[/quote]Such is life, Arraya.
It’s not been pretty since day one. The game has always been rigged to the advantage of the establishment. That’s how it has always been and that’s how it will remain.
All we can hope for is a little more accountability than before.
The creation of the EPA was an improvement to the situation before Nixon created it.
If this Gulf oil gusher brings about EPA 2.0, it’ll be an improvement over 1.0.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #568419
Zeitgeist
ParticipantPartypup,
Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #568510
Arraya
Participanthttp://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.
When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.
The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.
Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.
In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.
BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.
Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:
White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay
The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.
Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.
The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.
Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.
They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #568515
Zeitgeist
ParticipantPartypup,
Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569017
Arraya
Participanthttp://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.
When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.
The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.
Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.
In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.
BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.
Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:
White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay
The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.
Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.
The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.
Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.
They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?
-
June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569022
Zeitgeist
ParticipantPartypup,
Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569123
Arraya
Participanthttp://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.
When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.
The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.
Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.
In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.
BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.
Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:
White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay
The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.
Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.
The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.
Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.
They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569128
Zeitgeist
ParticipantPartypup,
Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569407
Arraya
Participanthttp://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/
There are more examples than one can even try to sum up when it comes to painting the picture of the perversity and ineptitude of the US political system. The so-called grilling of Tony Hayward a few days ago was one prime example. The BP CEO started out with a “so sorry” statement that was an almost exact copy of a recent BP mea culpa TV ad.
When responding to the subsequent questions, Hayward mainly repeated the same line over and over: he wasn’t there when it happened, he had no influence on the decision-making process concerning the Macondo well, it was not his personal fault, and moreover, he was the very man who had announced strict safety measures when he took the job. Absolute habberdash, obviously, all of it, but it didn’t matter one iota to Tony Hayward.
The reason why, or at least a major one, became clear the day after the “grilling”: Tony Hayward was “relieved of his duties” that same day, to be replaced by some American deputy director at the company. Not replaced as CEO, mind you, but as BP’s “face” in the US.
Capitol Hill, therefore, looks like the bunch of ass-clowns they are. Any further or follow-up questions will not be answered by the company’s CEO anymore. They can now complain, whine and yell at his servant. Obviously, this was a decision that had been made a while ago; let Tony take the flack, he’s leaving anyway.
In the past two weeks, despite Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling, the White House (through The Department of Interior’s Minerals (Mis)Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects. That all by itself provides a much clearer idea of where the power lies, and where the truth, than all the made-for-media show trials together.
BP has signed off on a $20 billion escrow fund, but it may well be liable for damages totaling over $100 billion. Judging from Tony Hayward’s performance, the fourth-largest company on the planet doesn’t seem too worried, or at least its directors don’t. It may be wise not to underestimate BP’s political clout, in London, Washington and many other capitals around the world.
Possibly even more perverted, and more telling of how Washington works, is this from the Huffington Post:
White House Flip Flops On Reining In CEO Pay
The White House is intervening at the last minute to come to the defense of multinational corporations in the unfolding conference committee negotiations over Wall Street reform. A measure that had been generally agreed to by both the House and Senate, which would have affirmed the SEC’s authority to allow investors to have proxy access to the corporate decision-making process, was stripped by the Senate in conference committee votes on Wednesday and Thursday.
Five sources with knowledge of the situation said the White House pushed for the measure to be stripped at the behest of the Business Roundtable. The sources — congressional aides as well as outside advocates — requested anonymity for fear of White House reprisal.
The White House move pits the administration against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who told Barney Frank (D-Mass.) to stand strong against the effort. “I met with the Speaker today and she said, ‘Don’t back down. I’ll back you up,'” Frank, the lead House conferee, told HuffPost. “Maxine Waters is very upset, as are CalPERS and others.” Advocates said that the corporations fought the issue primarily over executive compensation concerns. Given proxy access, investors could rein in executive salaries. The Business Roundtable is a lobby of corporate CEOs.
Yes, BP would be a natural member of the Business Roundtable. The fishermen and tourist operators on the Gulf Coast would not. If I’ve said it once, I must have said it a thousand times: there will be no economic recovery in the US, and neither will there be any meaningful reform, whether financial or political, as long as the final say rests with those who have the most money.
They’ve gotten where they are through, and because of, the system as it is, and they will successfully resist any significant changes that would hurt their interests. That’s the light in which to view for instance Obama’s bizarrely numb Oval Office speech, and that’s why the White House deems it necessary to intervene on Capitol Hill on behalf of its friends and masters in the Business Roundtable.
It’s not a pretty picture that you get to see when you peer behind the curtain of spin, is it?
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June 21, 2010 at 2:53 PM #569412
Zeitgeist
ParticipantPartypup,
Brian is an Obama philistine. Enough said. He always brings up Palin when he has no other arrows in his quiver. Palin from Brian is like other people bringing up Hitler. He just does not get it!
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June 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM #568439
Coronita
Participant[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?[/quote]
Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…Check the statements after the televised speech.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM #568535
Coronita
Participant[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?[/quote]
Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…Check the statements after the televised speech.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM #569042
Coronita
Participant[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?[/quote]
Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…Check the statements after the televised speech.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM #569148
Coronita
Participant[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?[/quote]
Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…Check the statements after the televised speech.
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June 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM #569432
Coronita
Participant[quote=partypup]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?[/quote]
Quote contrary…I think the politicians (Obama included )are starting to understand the significance of B.P. on the U.S. economy…
..What, you think he really wants to “punish” B.P. to an extreme? Nope…Check the statements after the televised speech.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM #568495
partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?
“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”
The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
…
And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.
…
Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.
…
Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.
All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM #569002
partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?
“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”
The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
…
And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.
…
Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.
…
Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.
All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM #569108
partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?
“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”
The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
…
And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.
…
Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.
…
Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.
All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:34 PM #569392
partypup
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=Veritas]
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses. [/quote]
Seriously, aren’t we all past the point of even thinking that Obama is *smart* about anything?
“Most troubling of all, the government has allowed BP to continue deep-sea production at its Atlantis rig – one of the world’s largest oil platforms. Capable of drawing 200,000 barrels a day from the seafloor, Atlantis is located only 150 miles off the coast of Louisiana, in waters nearly 2,000 feet deeper than BP drilled at Deepwater Horizon. According to congressional documents, the platform lacks required engineering certification for as much as 90 percent of its subsea components – a flaw that internal BP documents reveal could lead to “catastrophic” errors. In a May 19th letter to Salazar, 26 congressmen called for the rig to be shut down immediately. “We are very concerned,” they wrote, “that the tragedy at Deepwater Horizon could foreshadow an accident at BP Atlantis.”
The administration’s response to the looming threat? According to an e-mail to a congressional aide from a staff member at MMS, the agency has had “zero contact” with Atlantis about its safety risks since the Deepwater rig went down.
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And instead of putting the brakes on new offshore drilling, Salazar immediately throttled it up to record levels. Even though he had scrapped the Bush plan, Salazar put 53 million offshore acres up for lease in the Gulf in his first year alone – an all-time high. The aggressive leasing came as no surprise, given Salazar’s track record. “This guy has a long, long history of promoting offshore oil drilling – that’s his thing,” says Kierán Suckling, executive director of the Center for Biological Diversity. “He’s got a highly specific soft spot for offshore oil drilling.” As a senator, Salazar not only steered passage of the Gulf of Mexico Energy Security Act, which opened 8 million acres in the Gulf to drilling, he even criticized President Bush for not forcing oil companies to develop existing leases faster.
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Nowhere was the absurdity of the policy more evident than in the application that BP submitted for its Deepwater Horizon well only two months after Obama took office. BP claims that a spill is “unlikely” and states that it anticipates “no adverse impacts” to endangered wildlife or fisheries. Should a spill occur, it says, “no significant adverse impacts are expected” for the region’s beaches, wetlands and coastal nesting birds.The company, noting that such elements are “not required” as part of the application, contains no scenario for a potential blowout, and no site-specific plan to respond to a spill. Instead, it cites an Oil Spill Response Plan that it had prepared for the entire Gulf region. Among the sensitive species BP anticipates protecting in the semitropical Gulf? “Walruses” and other cold-water mammals, including sea otters and sea lions. The mistake appears to be the result of a sloppy cut-and-paste job from BP’s drilling plans for the Arctic.Even worse: Among the “primary equipment providers” for “rapid deployment of spill response resources,” BP inexplicably provides the Web address of a Japanese home-shopping network. Such glaring errors expose the 582-page response “plan” as nothing more than a paperwork exercise. “It was clear that nobody read it,” says Ruch, who represents government scientists.
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Scientists were stunned that NOAA, an agency widely respected for its scientific integrity, appeared to have been co-opted by the White House spin machine. “NOAA has actively pushed back on every fact that has ever come out,” says one ocean scientist who works with the agency. “They’re denying until the facts are so overwhelming, they finally come out and issue an admittance.” Others are furious at the agency for criticizing the work of scientists studying the oil plumes rather than leading them. “Why they didn’t have vessels there right then and start to gather the scientific data on oil and what the impacts are to different organisms is inexcusable,” says a former government marine biologist. “They should have been right on top of that.” Only six weeks into the disaster did the agency finally deploy its own research vessel to investigate the plumes.
This man is either a complete Tool, an idiot, or some combination of both.
All of which I predicted a year before this clown took office. Got Buyer’s Remorse? I’m sure Mother Earth wishes that she’d had an opportunity to vote.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM #568481
briansd1
Guest[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]
Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?
The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.
Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.
Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM #568987
briansd1
Guest[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]
Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?
The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.
Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.
Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM #569094
briansd1
Guest[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]
Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?
The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.
Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.
Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
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June 21, 2010 at 2:16 PM #569377
briansd1
Guest[quote=Veritas]”To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN[/quote]
Obama won’t lose the environmentalists. Who are they are going to turn to? Palin?
The truth is that, in America, we have made a conscious decision to let private companies manage our wealth. That’s not going to change.
Obama is smart not to bash big oil too much otherwise the debate will turn into whether we are turning into socialist Venezuela or France — too quick to nationalize businesses.
Everyday that passes that the oil gusher is not plugged is anger building against big businesses at the grassroots level. That anger will translate to policy changes, even from the right.
Remember, Nixon created the EPA because of the Santa Barbara oil spill of 1969.
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June 21, 2010 at 1:47 PM #568432
Veritas
Participant“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
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June 21, 2010 at 1:47 PM #568937
Veritas
Participant“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
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June 21, 2010 at 1:47 PM #569044
Veritas
Participant“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
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June 21, 2010 at 1:47 PM #569329
Veritas
Participant“To the right and the center, the oil spill is a management issue, indicative of Obama’s lack of administrative experience. Community organizers and law professors don’t know how to handle oil spills. But to the left, it is an environmental issue pure and simple. Each barrel of oil that flows into the Gulf is a sin against nature and alienates those for whom environment is the key issue. And Obama can ill afford to lose them. So Obama is stuck, drowning in oil with no relief in sight.”
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
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June 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM #567885
Arraya
ParticipantDespite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.
The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.
Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X
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June 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM #568390
Arraya
ParticipantDespite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.
The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.
Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X
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June 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM #568496
Arraya
ParticipantDespite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.
The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.
Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X
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June 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM #568776
Arraya
ParticipantDespite President Barack Obama’s promises of better safeguards for offshore drilling, federal regulators continue to approve plans for oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico with minimal or no environmental analysis.
The Department of Interior’s Minerals Management Service has signed off on at least five new offshore drilling projects since June 2, when the agency’s acting director announced tougher safety regulations for drilling in the Gulf, a McClatchy review of public records has discovered.
Three of the projects were approved with waivers exempting them from detailed studies of their environmental impact — the same waiver the MMS granted to BP for the ill-fated well that’s been fouling the Gulf with crude for two months.
Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/18/96185/federal-approval-still-flowing.html#ixzz0rQvFkl4X
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June 20, 2010 at 2:22 AM #567672
NewtoSanDiego
GuestAre you all done with your venting and ranting?
I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.
Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!
You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!
Hypocrites!
NSD
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June 20, 2010 at 2:22 AM #568172
NewtoSanDiego
GuestAre you all done with your venting and ranting?
I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.
Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!
You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!
Hypocrites!
NSD
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June 20, 2010 at 2:22 AM #568279
NewtoSanDiego
GuestAre you all done with your venting and ranting?
I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.
Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!
You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!
Hypocrites!
NSD
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June 20, 2010 at 2:22 AM #568559
NewtoSanDiego
GuestAre you all done with your venting and ranting?
I feel like I’m at a lynch mob of poor Tony Hayward. Vast majority of people in oil industry are good, hardworking, proud people. They are your parents, neighbors, brother-in-law, etc.
Simple matter is that we all need oil, even YOU!The loudest ones probably saying “throw BP bums in jail” and holding signs saying “save the pelicans” probably drive big SUVs!
You need oil and you are not willing to walk the talk. When was the last time you took public transportation? I want an honest answer. Just answer the question please!
Hypocrites!
NSD
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June 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM #569078
Anonymous
GuestI’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.
A few questions for those who already have a supply:
How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?
How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?
How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?
Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?
Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?
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June 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM #569174
Anonymous
GuestI’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.
A few questions for those who already have a supply:
How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?
How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?
How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?
Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?
Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?
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June 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM #569680
Anonymous
GuestI’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.
A few questions for those who already have a supply:
How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?
How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?
How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?
Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?
Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?
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June 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM #569786
Anonymous
GuestI’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.
A few questions for those who already have a supply:
How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?
How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?
How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?
Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?
Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?
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June 22, 2010 at 11:07 AM #570068
Anonymous
GuestI’m going to start stocking up on canned goods.
A few questions for those who already have a supply:
How long should I prepare to survive without grocery stores or civilized commerce? A month, year, many years?
How many cans will I need for each month (family of 4)?
How much space does it all take? (seems like one would need a good-sized pantry) Should I store it underground for longer shelf life?
Should I stockpile food for my dog also, or do you think he could learn to live off the wild, eating rabbits, etc?
Will there be any rabbits left after Obama’s oil spill takes its toll?
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June 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM #569136
Coronita
ParticipantLooks like a judge just struck down the moratorium in New Orleans on drilling…The song and dance continues…
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June 22, 2010 at 12:39 PM #569151
Zeitgeist
ParticipantHey pri_dk,
Here is a prior thread on what kind of food lasts the longest:
http://piggington.com/consumer_confidence_index_drops_ramen_sales_boomingThere are many sources of pre-prepared foods with some of them lasting up to 10 years available. Google emergency supplies. Otherwise, most people who are trying to be prepared for natural disasters buy extra of whatever they like that is on sale. The ultra prepared usually go for the freeze dried. I would say, whatever your level of preparation keep water and food for your family and pets for a minimum of three weeks. If the event was serious enough, it might take the government that long to start bringing supplies into a region if infra structure is completely destroyed it could be longer. I know this seems silly to some people, but watching people plucked from roof tops after Hurricane Katrina should have been a lesson for everyone to learn from.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM #569176
Anonymous
GuestZeit,
Thanks for the info. I agree that it is prudent to have a short-term stock of supplies in the event of a natural disaster. Maybe enough for a week or two.
But I am curious about the practicality of stockpiling in anticipation of the scenarios posted here (and occasionally on other threads.) It was a bit of a rhetorical question. Some seem to think that the government and civilization itself will soon collapse – that we will be without infrastructure for years. Is there any practical way to prepare for this, short of filling several rooms of one’s house with food, medical supplies, and ammo?
Partypup, in particular, seems to be sure that civilization will end. In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. I suppose then she will have proof that Obama is a jerk, and that he should have been friendlier toward her when they were college together.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM #569181
Arraya
Participant[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]
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June 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM #569186
Anonymous
GuestGood one.
Not an accurate metaphor, however.
The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”
We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM #569280
Anonymous
GuestGood one.
Not an accurate metaphor, however.
The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”
We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM #569788
Anonymous
GuestGood one.
Not an accurate metaphor, however.
The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”
We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM #569890
Anonymous
GuestGood one.
Not an accurate metaphor, however.
The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”
We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:43 PM #570175
Anonymous
GuestGood one.
Not an accurate metaphor, however.
The guy in the comic actually offered a specific course of action: “Stop the car!”
We don’t hear anything resembling a plan from the armchair political leaders here.
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June 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM #569275
Arraya
Participant[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]
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June 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM #569783
Arraya
Participant[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]
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June 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM #569885
Arraya
Participant[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]
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June 22, 2010 at 1:32 PM #570170
Arraya
Participant[quote=pri_dk] In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. [img_assist|nid=13502|title=..|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=493|height=450].[/quote]
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June 22, 2010 at 5:50 PM #569346
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk]Zeit,
Partypup, in particular, seems to be sure that civilization will end. In fact, it seems that she actually wants society to collapse. I suppose then she will have proof that Obama is a jerk, and that he should have been friendlier toward her when they were college together.[/quote]
@Pri_dk: Amazingly, you have finally said something that I agree with. Bravo! I DO want society to collapse, because it is currently being run by the most savage, egotistic, greedy, scum-sucking vermin that have ever slithered across the face of this earth. Because these vermin are accelerating the efforts to restrain my free will and liberty and are making every possible attempt to churn me and all those I hold dear into poverty and submission. And it makes not a wit of difference to me that I am free to buy iPads and take the occasional trip to Alaska as they corral me into slave status.
So yeah, you’re damn right, I want this b*tch to come down because – once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren. For those like you who are content to remain slaves, I’m sure the thought of not licking someone’s boot and not hanging on every meaningless word of an Obama state of the Union address is positively terrifying. Deal with it, my ostrich-necked friend. The rev**ution is coming.
BTW, I went to law school with Obama, not college. Please pay better attention going forward – your grasp of details is worrisome. And he was perfectly pleasant to me – just boring and empty. Pretty much what you’re getting now. It’s not my fault that you bought the Con 🙂
Oh, and beprepared.com and efoodsdirect.com are great resources to pick up supplies.
…Although I do question whether you will have the common sense to know when to bug out and use them.
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June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM #569361
Anonymous
Guest[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.
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June 22, 2010 at 7:51 PM #569394
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]
Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.
90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.
Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.
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June 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM #569399
Zeitgeist
ParticipantI forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.
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June 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM #569790
briansd1
Guest[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]
So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.
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June 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM #569974
Aecetia
ParticipantOil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773
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June 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM #570137
Arraya
ParticipantIt does not get doomier than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic CloudIf the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.
3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation
After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.
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June 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM #570260
Arraya
ParticipantThe post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.
Here is the link to the segment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739
It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).
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June 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM #570265
Zeitgeist
ParticipantNone of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.
Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.htmlI am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.
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June 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM #570290
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
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I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup… -
June 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM #570387
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
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I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup… -
June 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM #570894
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
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I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup… -
June 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM #571001
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup… -
June 23, 2010 at 9:53 PM #571291
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
…
I am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.[/quote]
I don’t know about other sites – but I’m still waiting to place my $50 bet with partypup… -
June 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM #570362
Zeitgeist
ParticipantNone of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.
Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.htmlI am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.
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June 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM #570869
Zeitgeist
ParticipantNone of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.
Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.htmlI am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.
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June 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM #570977
Zeitgeist
ParticipantNone of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.
Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.htmlI am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.
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June 23, 2010 at 8:48 PM #571265
Zeitgeist
ParticipantNone of those scenarios are confidence inspiring to me and I hope the people working there have some idea what they are dealing with. I would rather stay unemployed than be working on the beach waiting for door number 1 or door number 2. Might as well throw an hurricane into the mix and make it a trifecta of doom.
Has the HuffPost said anything about the nuclear option that has been mentioned?
Nuke the Gulf Oil Gusher, Russians Suggest
http://www.livescience.com/technology/russia-nuke-gulf-oil-well-100512.htmlI am not making this recommendation, just wondering if anyone has heard it discussed other than on Piggington.
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June 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM #570357
Arraya
ParticipantThe post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.
Here is the link to the segment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739
It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).
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June 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM #570864
Arraya
ParticipantThe post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.
Here is the link to the segment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739
It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).
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June 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM #570972
Arraya
ParticipantThe post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.
Here is the link to the segment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739
It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).
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June 23, 2010 at 8:13 PM #571260
Arraya
ParticipantThe post this thread is based on from the oildrum was on countdown tonight on MSNBC. Pretty strange that the read a post from a blog on a prime time cable show.
Here is the link to the segment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#37886739
It is a discussion of dougr post (with Olbermann reading quotes from the post).
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June 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM #570232
Arraya
ParticipantIt does not get doomier than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic CloudIf the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.
3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation
After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.
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June 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM #570741
Arraya
ParticipantIt does not get doomier than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic CloudIf the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.
3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation
After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.
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June 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM #570848
Arraya
ParticipantIt does not get doomier than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic CloudIf the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.
3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation
After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.
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June 23, 2010 at 3:31 PM #571134
Arraya
ParticipantIt does not get doomier than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dk-matai/gulf-of-mexico-danger-of_b_619095.html
2. First Tsunami with Toxic CloudIf the toxic gas bubble explodes, it might simultaneously set off a tsunami travelling at a high speed of hundreds of miles per hour. Florida might be most exposed to the fury of a tsunami wave. The entire Gulf coastline would be vulnerable, if the tsunami is manifest. Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia might experience the effects of the tsunami according to some sources.
3. Second Tsunami via Vaporisation
After several billion barrels of oil and billions of cubic feet of gas have been released, the massive cavity beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalise, allowing freezing water to be forced naturally into the huge cavity where the oil and gas once were. The temperature in that cavity can be extremely hot at around 150 degrees celsius or more. The incoming water will be vaporised and turned into steam, creating an enormous force, which could actually lift the Gulf floor. According to computer models, a second massive tsunami wave might occur.
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June 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM #570071
Aecetia
ParticipantOil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773
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June 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM #570576
Aecetia
ParticipantOil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773
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June 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM #570684
Aecetia
ParticipantOil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773
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June 23, 2010 at 12:22 PM #570971
Aecetia
ParticipantOil from the BP oil spill disaster is spewing again into the Gulf of Mexico at nearly full force after a venting system connected the so-called containment cap over the blown-out wellhead was damaged in an accident with a robot sub, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the commander in charge of the government’s effort to control the 65-day-old spill.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-disaster-deaths-reported-cleanup-containment-cap/story?id=10991773
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June 23, 2010 at 9:56 PM #570295
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on? -
June 23, 2010 at 9:56 PM #570392
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on? -
June 23, 2010 at 9:56 PM #570899
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on? -
June 23, 2010 at 9:56 PM #571006
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on? -
June 23, 2010 at 9:56 PM #571296
KSMountain
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]…So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets.[/quote]
No gadgets?!!! Now that IS upsetting. How would we do Piggington? Maybe like a bulletin board that we all put 3×5 cards on? -
June 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM #569883
briansd1
Guest[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]
So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.
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June 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM #570393
briansd1
Guest[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]
So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.
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June 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM #570493
briansd1
Guest[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]
So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.
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June 23, 2010 at 10:49 AM #570780
briansd1
Guest[quote=Zeitgeist]I forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.[/quote]
So what will fix this? Drill-baby-drill, I suppose.
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June 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM #569494
Zeitgeist
ParticipantI forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.
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June 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM #569999
Zeitgeist
ParticipantI forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.
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June 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM #570105
Zeitgeist
ParticipantI forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.
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June 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM #570390
Zeitgeist
ParticipantI forgot to mention there will be no one around to do the plucking off the roof this time. It will be dog eat dog and most of the infrastructure will probably collapse and the cops will be protecting their own families. The military will be busy fighting a losing war and it will take a long time to get the National Guard in gear. In other words, you are on your own. It would be a perfect time for another Red Dawn, but I figure you did not need to hear that. So fasten your seat belt, it is going to be a bumpy ride and not everyone will survive, especially those who like gadgets. The grid will be down. FYI- there is a difference between pessimism and realism and it is not just about the fullness of the glass.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM #569588
Anonymous
GuestStill using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.
I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM #569608
Arraya
ParticipantThe phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.
The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.
It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”
The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.
“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”
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June 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM #570310
paramount
Participant[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/
The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]
I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?
What’s going to be left for future generations?
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.
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June 24, 2010 at 5:17 AM #570386
Arraya
Participant[quote=paramount]
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]
I agree 1000%
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June 24, 2010 at 7:47 AM #570431
Arraya
ParticipantA speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded
-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.
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June 28, 2010 at 1:12 PM #572817
Aecetia
ParticipantThis is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html
disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM #573928
Aecetia
ParticipantKSMountain,
I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.
Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM #573943
blahblahblah
ParticipantI’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.
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June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM #573968
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June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM #574065
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June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM #574588
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June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM #574694
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June 30, 2010 at 2:15 PM #574993
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June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM #574040
blahblahblah
ParticipantI’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM #574563
blahblahblah
ParticipantI’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM #574669
blahblahblah
ParticipantI’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM #574968
blahblahblah
ParticipantI’m just happy that Halliburton purchased offshore oil firefighting outfit Boots & Coots 10 days before the explosion. Imagine the luck! I’m sure they’ll have it under control any day now.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM #574025
Aecetia
ParticipantKSMountain,
I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.
Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM #574548
Aecetia
ParticipantKSMountain,
I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.
Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM #574654
Aecetia
ParticipantKSMountain,
I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.
Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.
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June 30, 2010 at 1:31 PM #574952
Aecetia
ParticipantKSMountain,
I heard it discussed all over the radio today, so it is almost on the verge of being main stream. I think you are going to lose the bet. Unfortunately, we all will lose.
Much of the enthusiasm for an atomic approach is based on reports that the Soviet Union succeeded in using nuclear blasts to seal off gas wells. Milo D. Nordyke, in a 2000 technical paper for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, Calif., described five Soviet blasts from 1966 to 1981.
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June 28, 2010 at 1:12 PM #572912
Aecetia
ParticipantThis is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html
disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.
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June 28, 2010 at 1:12 PM #573424
Aecetia
ParticipantThis is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html
disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.
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June 28, 2010 at 1:12 PM #573529
Aecetia
ParticipantThis is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html
disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.
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June 28, 2010 at 1:12 PM #573824
Aecetia
ParticipantThis is worth a listen. Clinton has some pretty good suggestions in this. He also says the Navy could probably stop it. His observations about Obama’s reactions to the disaster are pretty accurate (IMHO).
http://money.cnn.com/video/fortune/2010/06/27/f_gf_clinton_bp_oil.fortune/index.html
disclaimer- I am not a big fan of Clinton, but I think he is intelligent and his views are those of an insider.
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June 24, 2010 at 7:47 AM #570524
Arraya
ParticipantA speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded
-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.
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June 24, 2010 at 7:47 AM #571037
Arraya
ParticipantA speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded
-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.
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June 24, 2010 at 7:47 AM #571144
Arraya
ParticipantA speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded
-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.
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June 24, 2010 at 7:47 AM #571436
Arraya
ParticipantA speaker at grassroots movement in LA. This lady, from an intergenerational commercial fishing family, was aloud to sit in on BP meetings regarding the clean-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=player_embedded
-The Federal Government, Coast Guard and NOAA are taking orders from BP
-BP clean up crew management talking more of cost cutting and information control rather than clean up
-Beaches and marshes are not protected
-People getting sick
-When ever an “official” goes to a beach, BP sends hundreds to the spot and then when the camera leaves so does about 80% of the crew — It’s called “ponies and balloons”
-Took boat out in the gulf and drove through spots with 100 of thousands of dead fish*Additionally it’s been reported that BP has hired private security forces to keep the press away from “sensitive” areas and “monitor” the hired clean-up crew.
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June 24, 2010 at 5:17 AM #570478
Arraya
Participant[quote=paramount]
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]
I agree 1000%
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June 24, 2010 at 5:17 AM #570989
Arraya
Participant[quote=paramount]
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]
I agree 1000%
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June 24, 2010 at 5:17 AM #571096
Arraya
Participant[quote=paramount]
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]
I agree 1000%
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June 24, 2010 at 5:17 AM #571387
Arraya
Participant[quote=paramount]
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.[/quote]
I agree 1000%
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June 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM #570406
paramount
Participant[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/
The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]
I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?
What’s going to be left for future generations?
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.
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June 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM #570914
paramount
Participant[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/
The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]
I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?
What’s going to be left for future generations?
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.
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June 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM #571021
paramount
Participant[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/
The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]
I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?
What’s going to be left for future generations?
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.
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June 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM #571311
paramount
Participant[quote=Arraya]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/gulf-spill-plays-havoc-with-real-estate/article1612385/
The phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.[/quote]
I know people have to feed their families, but how typical. All a gd realtor can think about is lost commision; would they ever stop to think that we are slowly but surely f^%#ing up this planet? Does that matter at all?
What’s going to be left for future generations?
We have in our hands a big part of the solution: It’s called the internet. We need to change the way we think on a collective basis, and keep our focus on the big picture.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM #569704
Arraya
ParticipantThe phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.
The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.
It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”
The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.
“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”
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June 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM #570210
Arraya
ParticipantThe phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.
The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.
It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”
The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.
“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”
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June 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM #570314
Arraya
ParticipantThe phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.
The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.
It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”
The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.
“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”
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June 23, 2010 at 7:31 AM #570594
Arraya
ParticipantThe phone call was short and to the point: A buyer who had agreed to spend $500,000 (U.S.) on a beachfront home with a stunning view of the Gulf of Mexico was backing out.
The cancelled sale was a blow to real estate agent Linda Henderson, but it wasn’t a surprise. Globs of thick, pungent oil are washing up on the shores of Alabama’s Dauphin Island, and the smell on some days is enough to drive the island’s predominantly senior population back into their homes.
It’s also enough to drive real estate agents to despair. “I can tell you that things have pretty much dropped to dead,” she says. “We were on track for our best year since Katrina. This is devastating – you can say that the spill killed the real estate recovery.”
The end of the recovery is a particularly frustrating development for the Gulf Coast states of Louisiana and Mississippi, where foreclosure rates have consistently been among the lowest in the country. The region’s relatively tight mortgage rules kept a lid on home prices during the housing bubble and prevented the boom-and-bust pattern seen in many other regions of the U.S. But just as prices were stabilizing and sales were increasing, the spill has brought activity to an abrupt halt.
“What the housing recession and Great Recession couldn’t do to property values along the Gulf, this could easily accomplish,” said real estate analyst Jack McCabe of McCabe Research and Consulting in Deerfield Beach, Fla. “It’s a knockout punch, plain and simple.”
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June 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM #569684
Anonymous
GuestStill using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.
I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM #570190
Anonymous
GuestStill using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.
I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM #570294
Anonymous
GuestStill using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.
I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.
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June 23, 2010 at 7:02 AM #570575
Anonymous
GuestStill using the worn-out “Messiah” label? How trite.
I hope the Queen comes up with some fresh ideas, or this sequel may turn out to be pretty dull.
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June 22, 2010 at 7:51 PM #569489
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]
Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.
90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.
Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.
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June 22, 2010 at 7:51 PM #569994
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]
Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.
90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.
Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.
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June 22, 2010 at 7:51 PM #570100
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]
Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.
90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.
Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.
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June 22, 2010 at 7:51 PM #570385
partypup
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.[/quote]
Dude, it took us several thousand years to f**k things up this royally. I will gladly start over and hope it only takes us another few thousand years to screw up Planet Earth 2.0 (or whatever version we are currently on) even worse. But being a slave, you probably wouldn’t understand that. So just open your mouth, toss in the blue pill, go back to sleep, and pray that your Messiah can save you from the economic collapse and toxic rains.
90% of the planet – obviously excluding you, slave – is prepared to revolt against the vermin that are currently pulling the strings. Do the math – the odds are not in their favor. When we’ve taken care of the job, you can crawl out of your hole, and we may consider sending a few crumbs your way. LOL.
Although IF I were Queen, you wouldn’t get a single scrap. I’m sure we can find better uses for the food.
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June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM #569456
Anonymous
Guest[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.
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June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM #569960
Anonymous
Guest[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.
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June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM #570066
Anonymous
Guest[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.
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June 22, 2010 at 6:23 PM #570350
Anonymous
Guest[quote]once the birth pangs and inevitable violence are behind us – we can start over and build something that may actually hold some value for our great-great-grandchildren[/quote]
Why so pessimistic? Do you really think it will take four generations to rebuild civilization? I bet we could do it in a few years! Of course all the “scum-sucking vermin” that run things now will just disappear and you’ll be free to do anything you want. I’ll be sure to stay out of your way, and you make it happen!
And I do agree, it will be so much better the second time around. I mean…what could go wrong?
PS: I didn’t watch Obama’s State of the Union speech, but I promise to hang on to every meaningful word of your speeches when you are queen of the world.
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