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  • May 13, 2015 at 11:16 AM #21522
    kev374
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    Is it possible to get a $100/hr contract for Sr. Java (15+ yrs experience) in the Bay Area? If not what is the typical contracting rate?

    May 13, 2015 at 11:58 AM #786180
    an
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    I should expect more. I just got contacted my a head hunter for a San Diego position with pay between $80-90/hr.

    May 13, 2015 at 12:12 PM #786181
    Coronita
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    Contracting in the bay area isn’t that lucrative, especially for java.

    Too many people that can do it.

    May 13, 2015 at 1:07 PM #786182
    utcsox
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    [quote=flu]Contracting in the bay area isn’t that lucrative, especially for java.

    Too many people that can do it.[/quote]

    What is lucrative nowadays?

    May 13, 2015 at 1:22 PM #786183
    Coronita
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    [quote=utcsox][quote=flu]Contracting in the bay area isn’t that lucrative, especially for java.

    Too many people that can do it.[/quote]

    What is lucrative nowadays?[/quote]

    …I think mobile software still has room to run (at least in the bay area).

    …Folks that can do embedded firmware seems to be be pretty high demand.

    …Security engineers seem to be in demand

    …I don’t think there’s much going on in enterprise java these days, by itself…

    Contracting in Bay Area doesn’t pay that well up there, unless there’s some speciality they are looking for. Companies that have money don’t need save money by hiring contractors to build things for the long term. They hire FTE’s

    May 13, 2015 at 1:54 PM #786186
    The-Shoveler
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    Seeing a lot of demand for Python these days, not sure on pay.

    May 14, 2015 at 1:11 PM #786233
    kev374
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    I think a lot of the Java work is going to the offshoring Indian firms.. Infosys, Wipro etc. because they have a large pool of “programmers” that can do that stuff.

    May 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM #786238
    an
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    When I hear Java, I wasn’t thinking of server side Java. I was thinking of Android.

    May 14, 2015 at 2:04 PM #786240
    Coronita
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    [quote=AN]When I hear Java, I wasn’t thinking of server side Java. I was thinking of Android.[/quote]

    That’s because there’s isn’t much new enterprise java.

    And looks like some people are trying to get away from Java on Android too.

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/googles-dart-language-on-android-aims-for-java-free-120-fps-apps/

    May 14, 2015 at 2:30 PM #786241
    an
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    I’ll believe it when I see it take hold. I personally don’t think this will happen in real life. Apps serve over HTTP sounds great when everybody have a gigabit connection with unlimited data. The reality is, we don’t, at least not for many years to come. So, I think this will go the way of many other Google projects. Or at least, it’ll be regulated to ChomeOS, where you’re most likely connected to WiFi or ethernet.

    BTW, I thought it’s funny that they call it Dart. Dart on Android = DOA :-D.

    May 14, 2015 at 2:33 PM #786243
    Coronita
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    [quote=AN]
    BTW, I thought it’s funny that they call it Dart. Dart on Android = DOA :-D.[/quote]

    LOL….

    May 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM #786245
    an
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    Another good write up comparing Dart (Google) with TypeScript (Microsoft). http://jaxenter.com/angular-typescript-dart-115426.html

    Angular when with TypeScript. I think Dart was created to replace Javascript, not Java. It’s just that team w/in Google trying to make Android into a FirefoxOS type of platform.

    May 14, 2015 at 2:40 PM #786246
    Coronita
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    [quote=AN]Another good write up comparing Dart (Google) with TypeScript (Microsoft). http://jaxenter.com/angular-typescript-dart-115426.html

    Angular when with TypeScript. I think Dart was created to replace Javascript, not Java. It’s just that team w/in Google trying to make Android into a FirefoxOS type of platform.[/quote]

    Or Tizen. Don’t go there, please…..

    May 15, 2015 at 8:57 AM #786274
    kev374
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    The huge problem with Java these days is that the space is so fragmented with hundreds of different frameworks that it’s virtually impossible to know all of it. Every company seems to be asking a different combination of specific skills.

    As a Sr. Java Engineer you have to have expertise in front end, middle tier and also have to be an expert database tuner/administrator whereas most other areas the scope is very limited. Sometimes it’s not just one database type like Oracle but they ask for expert knowledge in Oracle, SQL Server, MySQL LMAO!

    DBAs deal not only with just database related tuning and programming but usually a specific database and that is the job expectation in the req.

    Similarly the scope of knowledge expected from BSAs is also limited. A friend of mine makes $75/hr writing SQL queries and analyzing some tables and doing absolutely nothing else under the title “Data Analyst”.

    Yet a Sr. DBA or Sr. BSA earns almost the same as a Sr. Software Engineer for knowing much much less which makes no sense to me.

    What is even more egregious is the job postings for Sr. Java Engineer that add in the “nice to have” section: .net development LOL!!

    Imagine if I created a job posting for a doctor like this… it would be laughable:

    Wanted: Sr. Pediatrician

    Nice to haves:
    Oncology
    Anesthesiology
    Neurosurgery

    May 15, 2015 at 9:29 AM #786278
    The-Shoveler
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    Better yet get a gig at google and live at the facility.

    That’s my Fantasy position LOL.

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