ballot proposition to decrease state worker’s pay?

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]Aecetia, I don’t see how the legals/illegals have anything to do with the state budget.

The state has only x amount of money and can only spend x amount. The classrooms will be bigger if we cut school budgets.

The government’s budget needs to be cut to bring it back into balance first.

The other social issues come later.[/quote]

Perhaps I’m not understanding your position correctly. Do you think that illegal immigration does not affect the state’s budget? The #1 public expense in the state of california is education. When I worked in education more than a decade ago, we had estimates that 40% of the public school population consisted of illegal immigrants or children of illegal immigrants. They were not allowed to officially count or consider residency because of the potential for political backlash.

The prison system is also one of the biggest expenditures for the state. Again, I’ve seen estimates that show 40-50% of the prison population consists of illegal immigrants.

Add to these expenses the additional burdens on infrastructure, and you’re talking about big numbers.

Want to eliminate a huge chunk of the state’s employees? Fix the illegal immigration problem, and the schools, prisons, etc. will have to cut staff. Voila! The budget is fixed!

[Anonymous]

I am glad to hear that people are not making it out that most public workers are rich off the people. Yes cut spending, cut jobs, but saying that public workers are living fat off the wallet of the people can not be. I agree with Paramount, most, if not all public servant don’t work for the money, it is the benefits, schedules, etc that compensates them instead of the money. It is the only way to find able bodied workers. Now when people talk about managment of city’s/state’s, i believe the first place to start cutting is there. Most principles at schools do what??? Fire battalion captians? Police chiefs? These people should be paid but more like the private sector, with 401’s not union backed 3% at 60 formulas made for the lower paid workers. If people want to cut waste look at managment of the state/cities.

[Anonymous]

I am glad to hear that people are not making it out that most public workers are rich off the people. Yes cut spending, cut jobs, but saying that public workers are living fat off the wallet of the people can not be. I agree with Paramount, most, if not all public servant don’t work for the money, it is the benefits, schedules, etc that compensates them instead of the money. It is the only way to find able bodied workers. Now when people talk about managment of city’s/state’s, i believe the first place to start cutting is there. Most principles at schools do what??? Fire battalion captians? Police chiefs? These people should be paid but more like the private sector, with 401’s not union backed 3% at 60 formulas made for the lower paid workers. If people want to cut waste look at managment of the state/cities.

[Anonymous]

I am glad to hear that people are not making it out that most public workers are rich off the people. Yes cut spending, cut jobs, but saying that public workers are living fat off the wallet of the people can not be. I agree with Paramount, most, if not all public servant don’t work for the money, it is the benefits, schedules, etc that compensates them instead of the money. It is the only way to find able bodied workers. Now when people talk about managment of city’s/state’s, i believe the first place to start cutting is there. Most principles at schools do what??? Fire battalion captians? Police chiefs? These people should be paid but more like the private sector, with 401’s not union backed 3% at 60 formulas made for the lower paid workers. If people want to cut waste look at managment of the state/cities.

[Anonymous]

I am glad to hear that people are not making it out that most public workers are rich off the people. Yes cut spending, cut jobs, but saying that public workers are living fat off the wallet of the people can not be. I agree with Paramount, most, if not all public servant don’t work for the money, it is the benefits, schedules, etc that compensates them instead of the money. It is the only way to find able bodied workers. Now when people talk about managment of city’s/state’s, i believe the first place to start cutting is there. Most principles at schools do what??? Fire battalion captians? Police chiefs? These people should be paid but more like the private sector, with 401’s not union backed 3% at 60 formulas made for the lower paid workers. If people want to cut waste look at managment of the state/cities.

[Anonymous]

I am glad to hear that people are not making it out that most public workers are rich off the people. Yes cut spending, cut jobs, but saying that public workers are living fat off the wallet of the people can not be. I agree with Paramount, most, if not all public servant don’t work for the money, it is the benefits, schedules, etc that compensates them instead of the money. It is the only way to find able bodied workers. Now when people talk about managment of city’s/state’s, i believe the first place to start cutting is there. Most principles at schools do what??? Fire battalion captians? Police chiefs? These people should be paid but more like the private sector, with 401’s not union backed 3% at 60 formulas made for the lower paid workers. If people want to cut waste look at managment of the state/cities.

[Arraya]

It’s hard to convince public workers to take a pay cut when the official line is recovery and back to normal soon.

Kind of hamstrung by our own bullshit

It will become a problem in the near future

[Arraya]

It’s hard to convince public workers to take a pay cut when the official line is recovery and back to normal soon.

Kind of hamstrung by our own bullshit

It will become a problem in the near future

[Arraya]

It’s hard to convince public workers to take a pay cut when the official line is recovery and back to normal soon.

Kind of hamstrung by our own bullshit

It will become a problem in the near future

[Arraya]

It’s hard to convince public workers to take a pay cut when the official line is recovery and back to normal soon.

Kind of hamstrung by our own bullshit

It will become a problem in the near future

[Arraya]

It’s hard to convince public workers to take a pay cut when the official line is recovery and back to normal soon.

Kind of hamstrung by our own bullshit

It will become a problem in the near future

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
The prison system is also one of the biggest expenditures for the state. Again, I’ve seen estimates that show 40-50% of the prison population consists of illegal immigrants.
[/quote]

You make a good point about the prison system and illegal immigrants.

But would you rather deport the criminals back to their home countries or do you want them to serve time for their crimes?

[quote=CA renter]
Want to eliminate a huge chunk of the state’s employees? Fix the illegal immigration problem, and the schools, prisons, etc. will have to cut staff. Voila! The budget is fixed![/quote]

The illegal immigrant situation will not be solved easily.

In the immediate term, however, state and local governments’ budgets are limited. They need to cut staff, benefits and services in order to balance their budgets notwithstanding the issues with illegal immigration.

It won’t be pleasant and people won’t be happy but it’s got to be done. We can only spend what we can afford.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
The prison system is also one of the biggest expenditures for the state. Again, I’ve seen estimates that show 40-50% of the prison population consists of illegal immigrants.
[/quote]

You make a good point about the prison system and illegal immigrants.

But would you rather deport the criminals back to their home countries or do you want them to serve time for their crimes?

[quote=CA renter]
Want to eliminate a huge chunk of the state’s employees? Fix the illegal immigration problem, and the schools, prisons, etc. will have to cut staff. Voila! The budget is fixed![/quote]

The illegal immigrant situation will not be solved easily.

In the immediate term, however, state and local governments’ budgets are limited. They need to cut staff, benefits and services in order to balance their budgets notwithstanding the issues with illegal immigration.

It won’t be pleasant and people won’t be happy but it’s got to be done. We can only spend what we can afford.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
The prison system is also one of the biggest expenditures for the state. Again, I’ve seen estimates that show 40-50% of the prison population consists of illegal immigrants.
[/quote]

You make a good point about the prison system and illegal immigrants.

But would you rather deport the criminals back to their home countries or do you want them to serve time for their crimes?

[quote=CA renter]
Want to eliminate a huge chunk of the state’s employees? Fix the illegal immigration problem, and the schools, prisons, etc. will have to cut staff. Voila! The budget is fixed![/quote]

The illegal immigrant situation will not be solved easily.

In the immediate term, however, state and local governments’ budgets are limited. They need to cut staff, benefits and services in order to balance their budgets notwithstanding the issues with illegal immigration.

It won’t be pleasant and people won’t be happy but it’s got to be done. We can only spend what we can afford.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
The prison system is also one of the biggest expenditures for the state. Again, I’ve seen estimates that show 40-50% of the prison population consists of illegal immigrants.
[/quote]

You make a good point about the prison system and illegal immigrants.

But would you rather deport the criminals back to their home countries or do you want them to serve time for their crimes?

[quote=CA renter]
Want to eliminate a huge chunk of the state’s employees? Fix the illegal immigration problem, and the schools, prisons, etc. will have to cut staff. Voila! The budget is fixed![/quote]

The illegal immigrant situation will not be solved easily.

In the immediate term, however, state and local governments’ budgets are limited. They need to cut staff, benefits and services in order to balance their budgets notwithstanding the issues with illegal immigration.

It won’t be pleasant and people won’t be happy but it’s got to be done. We can only spend what we can afford.

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