Backdoor to socialized medicine?

[Anonymous]

[quote=beanmaestro]Maybe I misread, but I understood that while children can’t be denied for pre-existing conditions, adults can. There’s supposed to be a high-risk pool for adults with pre-existing conditions, so if we do see people gaming the system, the cost of the high risk policies could go way up, even if they’re non-profit pools. Can anyone confirm or deny that?
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Part of an email I received from Senator Bernie Sanders:

What Health Care Reform Means for You Today:

* No Denials for Pre-Existing Conditions Insurers may no longer exclude individuals under 19 years old with pre-existing medical conditions. The age limit increases over time. By 2014, people with pre-existing conditions could no longer be denied insurance.

* More Young Adults Insured Parents will be allowed to keep their children on their health insurance plan until age 26.

* Broader Coverage Within 90 days, people who have been locked out of the insurance market because of a pre-existing condition would be eligible for coverage.

* Insurance Stability All insurance plans will be barred from imposing lifetime caps on coverage. Insurers can no longer cancel insurance retroactively except for outright fraud.

* Prescription Drugs The 4 million Medicare beneficiaries with prescription drug bills so high they are not fully covered will get a $250 rebate this year. Next year, charges will be cut in half for seniors who fall into the Medicare coverage gap known as the doughnut hole.

* Tax Credits for Small Businesses Small business owners will no longer be forced to choose between offering health care and hiring new employees. Tax credits of up to 35 percent of premiums will help them insure their employees.

* Holding Down Premiums Insurers must report how much they spend on medical care versus administrative costs, a step that later will be followed by tighter government review of premium increases.

* Health Centers Funding for community health centers will begin to go up this year. About 40 million patients, twice as many as today, will be treated in community health centers within five years.

* Professional Training Investments in training more primary care doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners and physician assistants will begin later this year.

I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.

[SK in CV]

[quote=IForget]
I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.[/quote]

It’s a backdoor to socialized medicine only if you change the definition of socialized medicine. Which is exactly what the Republicans in congress (and elsewhere) have been trying to do since this discussion began. It will probably lead to broader coverage. It may decrease the rate of premium increases. It may be a stepping stone towards a public option to compete with for-profit insurance companies. It may even be a stepping stone towards single-payer.

None of those things are characteristics of socialized medicine.

[SK in CV]

[quote=IForget]
I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.[/quote]

It’s a backdoor to socialized medicine only if you change the definition of socialized medicine. Which is exactly what the Republicans in congress (and elsewhere) have been trying to do since this discussion began. It will probably lead to broader coverage. It may decrease the rate of premium increases. It may be a stepping stone towards a public option to compete with for-profit insurance companies. It may even be a stepping stone towards single-payer.

None of those things are characteristics of socialized medicine.

[SK in CV]

[quote=IForget]
I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.[/quote]

It’s a backdoor to socialized medicine only if you change the definition of socialized medicine. Which is exactly what the Republicans in congress (and elsewhere) have been trying to do since this discussion began. It will probably lead to broader coverage. It may decrease the rate of premium increases. It may be a stepping stone towards a public option to compete with for-profit insurance companies. It may even be a stepping stone towards single-payer.

None of those things are characteristics of socialized medicine.

[SK in CV]

[quote=IForget]
I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.[/quote]

It’s a backdoor to socialized medicine only if you change the definition of socialized medicine. Which is exactly what the Republicans in congress (and elsewhere) have been trying to do since this discussion began. It will probably lead to broader coverage. It may decrease the rate of premium increases. It may be a stepping stone towards a public option to compete with for-profit insurance companies. It may even be a stepping stone towards single-payer.

None of those things are characteristics of socialized medicine.

[SK in CV]

[quote=IForget]
I think this bill is a backdoor to socialized medicine and I’m looking forward to it. The Republicans got totally outfoxed on this bill. They used to be great at politics, but now they are all-amateur-hour-all-the-time.[/quote]

It’s a backdoor to socialized medicine only if you change the definition of socialized medicine. Which is exactly what the Republicans in congress (and elsewhere) have been trying to do since this discussion began. It will probably lead to broader coverage. It may decrease the rate of premium increases. It may be a stepping stone towards a public option to compete with for-profit insurance companies. It may even be a stepping stone towards single-payer.

None of those things are characteristics of socialized medicine.

[jeeman]

And America was outfoxed by the Democrats. Look at the results of socialized medicine in other countries. Their rich people come here for medical care, because we are the most innovative. Our innovation will decline very quickly now.

Interesting that Bernie Sanders didn’t mention the one big bullet point:

*You must get Health Insurance by 2014, or you will pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, we can prosecute you.

[jeeman]

And America was outfoxed by the Democrats. Look at the results of socialized medicine in other countries. Their rich people come here for medical care, because we are the most innovative. Our innovation will decline very quickly now.

Interesting that Bernie Sanders didn’t mention the one big bullet point:

*You must get Health Insurance by 2014, or you will pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, we can prosecute you.

[jeeman]

And America was outfoxed by the Democrats. Look at the results of socialized medicine in other countries. Their rich people come here for medical care, because we are the most innovative. Our innovation will decline very quickly now.

Interesting that Bernie Sanders didn’t mention the one big bullet point:

*You must get Health Insurance by 2014, or you will pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, we can prosecute you.

[jeeman]

And America was outfoxed by the Democrats. Look at the results of socialized medicine in other countries. Their rich people come here for medical care, because we are the most innovative. Our innovation will decline very quickly now.

Interesting that Bernie Sanders didn’t mention the one big bullet point:

*You must get Health Insurance by 2014, or you will pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, we can prosecute you.

[jeeman]

And America was outfoxed by the Democrats. Look at the results of socialized medicine in other countries. Their rich people come here for medical care, because we are the most innovative. Our innovation will decline very quickly now.

Interesting that Bernie Sanders didn’t mention the one big bullet point:

*You must get Health Insurance by 2014, or you will pay a fine. If you do not pay the fine, we can prosecute you.

[Arraya]

And suddenly the advancement of the whole human race stopped. People stopped innovating, creating and thinking. Perpetual sadness took over the entire scientific community and rich people from other countries had no place to go.

[Arraya]

And suddenly the advancement of the whole human race stopped. People stopped innovating, creating and thinking. Perpetual sadness took over the entire scientific community and rich people from other countries had no place to go.

[Arraya]

And suddenly the advancement of the whole human race stopped. People stopped innovating, creating and thinking. Perpetual sadness took over the entire scientific community and rich people from other countries had no place to go.

[Arraya]

And suddenly the advancement of the whole human race stopped. People stopped innovating, creating and thinking. Perpetual sadness took over the entire scientific community and rich people from other countries had no place to go.

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