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[Anonymous]

“Everything else was self taught, and whatever work I could pick up in software. And then being given an software engineering job opportunity at a bay area startup.”

You just corroborated my post right there. That’s all you had to say in your response. Instead you go off with 1000 word diatribe trying to make it personal about me. You and SDR need to stop drinking wine together.

“Great, how did that work out for you”

It’s worked out great! been living within 5min of the beach for over 25 years now F you very much.

[sdrealtor]

Sour grapes plain and simple. You remind me of the old time locals who have been renting around here for decades whining and complaining. You’ve had numerous opportunities to step up and grab a piece of paradise but you have failed. You have no one to blame but yourself. Stop blaming others for your own poor choices. Get better

[limkotir]

A degree, be it from a decent state school or elite ivy league, is just one aspect from a holistic employability profile that launches your career.

Without question, all things being equal between the candidates, the prospective applicant from a “better / reputable” school will get a closer preferable look.

Having just recently pour over 3 dozen resumes for an entry level tech position I’m partially in charge of hiring, I see 3.5 to 4.0 GPAs from college degree a dime a dozen, but what separates one from the pack is relevant experience and communication skills — half of these kids we’ve interviewed fail to coherently or concisely answer some basic questions.

The schools that prepare its student the best are those driving project based learning and internships with industries (shout out to Georgia Tech and Michigan engineering programs) — as I much rather hire a 3.0 GPA kid with 2 internship tours from UCSD vs. 4.0 GPA kid from Stanford.

Also, not sure if it is my field or my professional experience, the last two elite college kids we hired for entry level “monkey programming work” have had attitude problems, and thought the grunt work we wanted them to do is below them — again, maybe just a coincidence.

Those of you have ran through the corporate life know a career runs like this: Product => Process => People.

You start your career being told what to do, work on a product. As you gain experience, you lead project to drive a process (or fix an issue). Then ultimately, as you move into management and leadership position, you’re all about hiring the right people to execute and lead teams (and fight your political battles).

One question I always ask and probe on endlessly is how resourceful a hire is, because let’s be honest, you don’t know everything. You don’t learn to work on programming on cellular technology (e.g. for Qualcomm) while studying at any university (be it a state or elite university) – as we always say, the best school in the world is University of Google.

Then I notice those bubble to the very top of the org chart are those who are smart (work wise, politically and organizationally) and can communicate and drive changes and impact, and of course, building connections and alliances along the way, plus a % is always luck, being at the right place and at the right time.

[sdrealtor]

Great post. A quality education is the first cut then up from there. It sounds like you have a great head on your shoulders and are well on your way. You’re gonna do great and will find a great home when the timing is right. Hang in there and focus on the things you can control

[Anonymous]

[quote=sdrealtor]Sour grapes plain and simple. You remind me of the old time locals who have been renting around here for decades whining and complaining. You’ve had numerous opportunities to step up and grab a piece of paradise but you have failed. You have no one to blame but yourself. Stop blaming others for your own poor choices. Get better[/quote]

I’m already living the dream, been for decades.

You are the one with sour grapes. You literally lack the intelligence to understand that the housing market (and entire economy) for the last 12 years is a house of cards created artificially by Fed involvement.. When I point out that this is appearing to come to an end, you get real defensive and always come back to attacking me. I’m just the messenger. I get that you don’t like me, I don’t like you either, you are an arrogant prick. But no reason to make it personal. You are using your dislike of me as a convenient scapegoat to ignore the situation at hand.

Using “opportunity of a lifetime” as a canned response to everything I say about the markets just makes you look lazy, un-informed and basically a Dick.

[Coronita]

[quote=deadzone]”Everything else was self taught, and whatever work I could pick up in software. And then being given an software engineering job opportunity at a bay area startup.”

You just corroborated my post right there. That’s all you had to say in your response. Instead you go off with 1000 word diatribe trying to make it personal about me. You and SDR need to stop drinking wine together.

“Great, how did that work out for you”

It’s worked out great! been living within 5min of the beach for over 25 years now F you very much.[/quote]

Again arguing with yourself.
College doesn’t guarantee success. It increases the odds. Great colleges also doesn’t guarantee success, it increases the odds further.

Yes, you don’t need a CS degree to do software. But it helps, the training and rigor helps to an extent. but a little self discipline, and you can learn it or anything else.

BUT..You are dillusional if you think everyone can self teach and learn. Generally, people who are disciplined and capable of self learning are more the exception than the rule. it’s like the argument that many people who don’t want to go to college or don’t want to do a STEM degree like to say “bill gates didn’t go to college and neither did mark Zuckerberg” …

Well true, but those 2 examples are exceptionally bright people that didn’t need college. Most people who bring up bill gates and mark are NOT in the same league as them, and they are kidding themselves with an excuse for not needing college. And by not obtaining higher education, and not going through the rigor and discipline of a good 4 year program, that often causes people to fall short on their work ethics and determination…and they end up in a career that only requires them to say “you want fries with that”. So there’s a high probability you wouldn’t get very far without some higher level learning if you wanted to do tech.
BUT, it seems like you were in tech before and it seems like no longer, so it’s a moot point..Tech isn’t for anyone and not everyone is going to be good at it. There are people that aren’t able to do it, regardless of whether they take classes or try to self learn. It isnt the end all of things, since there’s other things that person can do. But those tech doors do exist for others whether you want to acknowledge it or not. I think more important though is ones attitude. Seems like pessisism at a great demotivator for a lot of things.

GOOOAL

[scaredyclassic]

You can get a law license through self study under a practitioner if you pass the bar, but would be hard.

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Requirements/Education/Legal-Education/Law-Office-or-Judges-Chamber

I don’t know anyone who’s done it that way. Would have to be quite clever and motivated. Law school is dumb, but it does perk up the brain and work ethic.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=deadzone][quote=sdrealtor]Sour grapes plain and simple. You remind me of the old time locals who have been renting around here for decades whining and complaining. You’ve had numerous opportunities to step up and grab a piece of paradise but you have failed. You have no one to blame but yourself. Stop blaming others for your own poor choices. Get better[/quote]

I’m already living the dream, been for decades.

You are the one with sour grapes. You literally lack the intelligence to understand that the housing market (and entire economy) for the last 12 years is a house of cards created artificially by Fed involvement.. When I point out that this is appearing to come to an end, you get real defensive and always come back to attacking me. I’m just the messenger. I get that you don’t like me, I don’t like you either, you are an arrogant prick. But no reason to make it personal. You are using your dislike of me as a convenient scapegoat to ignore the situation at hand.

Using “opportunity of a lifetime” as a canned response to everything I say about the markets just makes you look lazy, un-informed and basically a Dick.[/quote]

Actually my grapes are perfectly ripe and well fermented. Had an amazing 100 point wine last night watching the sunset into the ocean with friends. You always fall back on the ad hominem attack. I lack for nothing materially or intelligence wise. You’ve been wrong over and over hoping someday Mr Market will rescue you. Well it’s time to buckle up butter cup , put on the big boy pants and take personal responsibility. If you’ve been here for decades you have zero excuses. There have been countless opportunities and you’ve failed.

Stupid me? In those last 25 years I’ve bought and sold seven different properties making a killing on every single one of them. How bout you? Show your cards. How much real estate have you ever bought or sold here?

Ok time to come back with another ad hominem attack

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]You can get a law license through self study under a practitioner if you pass the bar, but would be hard.

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Requirements/Education/Legal-Education/Law-Office-or-Judges-Chamber

I don’t know anyone who’s done it that way. Would have to be quite clever and motivated. Law school is dumb, but it does perk up the brain and work ethic.[/quote]

Anything is possible. But for most, most of it is improbable.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]You can get a law license through self study under a practitioner if you pass the bar, but would be hard.

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Requirements/Education/Legal-Education/Law-Office-or-Judges-Chamber

I don’t know anyone who’s done it that way. Would have to be quite clever and motivated. Law school is dumb, but it does perk up the brain and work ethic.[/quote]

Anything is possible. But for most, most of it is improbable.[/quote]

Not sure anything is possible. Could one become a great athlete without coaching and competition? Might not be possible.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]You can get a law license through self study under a practitioner if you pass the bar, but would be hard.

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Requirements/Education/Legal-Education/Law-Office-or-Judges-Chamber

I don’t know anyone who’s done it that way. Would have to be quite clever and motivated. Law school is dumb, but it does perk up the brain and work ethic.[/quote]

Anything is possible. But for most, most of it is improbable.[/quote]

Not sure anything is possible. Could one become a great athlete without coaching and competition? Might not be possible.[/quote]

Sports is different though,from engineering or law.

You don’t have to be the best in law or engineering to do reasonably well. But I don’t think you can get just get by being a mediocre athlete if you need to count on it to pay the bills.

Software is a little different. It is possible to do well without being a CS major, unlike most other stem relate careers. It’s not that common and not as easy as some people who claim it to be. But there are folks with liberal arts degree that have been able to do it. I had a coworker that was a Poli Sci.undergrad from Stanford who self taught himself after he realized he didn’t want to go to law school. He did fine and ended up a a lead engineer at Google. He was smart and motivated enough to pick things up himself.

I had a guy in QA that I recently converted over to software engineer. he wasn’t a CS major, but an engineer that graduated from UCSD. Really smart kid, really motivated to want to do development, spent his own time learning, and volunteered time to take up work we didn’t have time do in the dev team. Contrast that with some other guy that wants to be in dev, has no engineering background, wants to go take a bunch of classes on basic stuff one can learn on the internet, and can’t handle basic small scripting tasks.
So not everyone can do it.

The other angle is there’s a lot of people who work at a tech company that aren’t engineers….that’s another way to get in.. some are in product management….there are others who are the glorified bean counters (program managers),.etc..If you get lucky , and hit the right company that IPOed, well it might work well for you too.
That’s also why some folks non+engineers end up trying to chase after a tech company because it is possibly they can hit the jackpot that way too, something they normally couldn’t achieve just at a normal job with their skill set and career prospects. Sometimes it works out for folks. Theres a bunch of executive assistants and bean counters at Qualcomm that are multi+millionaires simply because they were in the right place at the right time. One can argue whether their windfall is fair or not fair. Imho, a GOOOAL win is win no matter how you get it. For most of them they won’t hit the jackpot. In a tech downturn, those folks in the supporting role are the ones usually the first to get let go, and have the toughest time finding employment in tech during a downturn..many of them never return.

[sdrealtor]

Is it fair to say they have entered the bean counter zone?

[an]

I had a chance to speak with a friend who recently joined Amazon and she told me that although the company said they must come back to the office, the manager has total discretion, so she has only been in the office twice over the last 2 months and they have no plan to force anyone to returning to the office. I don’t know how many other teams are like hers, but it seems like it’s not a hard and fast rule.

[Coronita]

[quote=an]I had a chance to speak with a friend who recently joined Amazon and she told me that although the company said they must come back to the office, the manager has total discretion, so she has only been in the office twice over the last 2 months and they have no plan to force anyone to returning to the office. I don’t know how many other teams are like hers, but it seems like it’s not a hard and fast rule.[/quote]

A few of my ex-intuit friends that went to Amazon said the same thing. It’s at the discretion of the manager and dept. Not that it matters one way or the other.

Amazon policy is pretty clear.
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/workplace/amazon-offering-teams-more-flexibility-as-we-return-to-office

It’s still a pretty competitive job market. Even my cheap ass company had to pony up pretty sizable bonuses , and they are based in Florida.

[sdrealtor]

Not the end all be all but a strong local showing nonetheless

UCSD Ranks No.3 in csrankings.org
byu/I_Need_HeIp inUCSD

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